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  • Kinjal of Moravia
    ... of ... ............................................................. Of course. Yet I also wonder if the belief that arrows would not kill them (arrows
    Message 1 of 37 , Apr 2, 2004
      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "jameswolfden"
      <jameswolfden@y...> wrote:
      > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Kinjal of Moravia"
      > <gusarimagic@r...> wrote:
      > > Apparently the 'swing effect' is
      > > more important than material. Besides this looks just like
      > wash
      > > hung out to dry.
      > >
      > > Perhaps the Mongolian archer use of silk for armor was more
      > > effective that we believe.
      > >
      > > kinjal
      >
      > Not if the "swing effect" is the most important aspect. The body
      of
      > the archer would prevent the swing effect.
      >
      > My understanding is that the silk was worn next to the skin but
      > that armor was still worn. This might be either lacquered leather
      > or iron plates depending on what part of the cavalry the archer
      > was part of. The silk was supposed to minimize the damage
      > caused by any arrows that got through the armor.
      >
      > James Wolfden
      .............................................................
      Of course. Yet I also wonder if the "belief that arrows would not
      kill them" (arrows could be easily removed without festering wounds)
      also provided an 'armor' of sorts.

      In a similar vein, I have come accross allusive references to a
      cloak worn by ancient archers. It was attached to the left wrist
      such that it hung down from the bow hand to form a 'shield'. The
      outside (enemy view) was patterned to give a false impression as to
      the archer's form, while the inside (friendly view) was colored for
      identification and protection from 'friendly fire'. Now I wonder if
      the loose hanging drape might not have provided some actual physical
      protection as well. I will have to experiment, and will certainly
      make one to add to my garb.

      any help here from myth or stories??

      kinjal
      ...........................................................

      here is an excerpt from a ballad including the idea....

      "The Talon of Styria" (stair-ee-ah)

      All dread whispered him the Talon the Talon of Styria
      None knew from whixt he faire came none dare ask of his destiny.

      Strong bound left arm was never seen for his cloak fastened at
      the wrist
      To a gauntlet set with razor teeth and a flail of leather and
      steel.
      No coward ever saw sword and lived his long reach hand was
      never still.
      Raven locks were woven with feathers but scarce hid quivered
      arrows true.
    • Kinjal of Moravia
      ... Makes me ... bird or ... sides. ... .................................................... Perhaps, but a regular style half-circle doesn t work. I have
      Message 37 of 37 , Apr 6, 2004
        --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton <sirjon1@p...>
        wrote:
        > The comment about being in constant motion, like giant birds.
        Makes me
        > think the cloak was attached to both wrists. That would give a
        bird or
        > bat wing appearance and would also provide protection from both
        sides.
        >
        > Jon
        ....................................................

        Perhaps, but a regular style half-circle doesn't work. I have been
        playing with some other styles (you probably guessed that)and have a
        prototype that seems to work - even found some material that sorta
        looks like feathers. I'll keep you posted off-line, or here if
        anyone else in interested. Actually it will be cool and servicable
        even if you are not an archer. And it will be semi-perod, being a
        modified Gallic Coat.

        kinjal
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