What about greg? he puts out like 10-12 arrows with his crossbow
during a timed 30 sec shoot. I can only put out between 7-8 arrows
with my current recurve, was 8-10 before with a lighter recurve.
My point is the crossbow guy can load and shoot fast too, So wouldn't
that completely throw things off?
How do you compete against that?
--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Sebastian Faust
> > As for crossbows, I couldn't agree with you more. I really
> >are a separate category of shooting.
> I may 'slightly' disagree, but that's ok :)
> > Having shot rifles in mundane life,
> >I know that shooting from a sitting position is inherently more
> >from a standing position. Most crossbow archers I have ever seen
> >on the firing line, lay their bolts near at hand on the ground,
and are fairly
> >accurate once they have sighted in during early practice rounds.
> And this is why some of us Crossbowmen, have chosen to always shoot
> standing (unless the shot calls for otherwise). In my mind, if I
> myself as a period target crossbowman (quite period for myself in
> century), I can't find any documentation of these target shoots
> with the archers sitting. Bench shooting, yes, you can find that.
> that is a completely different story from archers walking around
> piece of leather to place on the ground to sit on, and flopping
> If I consider myself as practicing for combat. Same problems,
> behind a pavise, sure. So a kneeling crossbowman I don't have a
> with. But I just can't see a crossbowman running up in the field
> battle, dropping to the field and then shooting.
> Either way, I don't see the medieval crossbowman sitting on the
> ground. And so I don't.
> > All that being said, in tournaments if there are some unmarked
> > distances and timed rounds as well as some longer distance
shoots, it can
> > be balanced out
> >to make it a chalenging competition!!
> Well said.
> As a crossbowman, when I often hear of people complaining about
> and how they are unbalancing at an event ... they never stop to
look at the
> Shoots can be well designed to be a balanced competition for all
> but they quite often aren't. People designing the shoots think
> would be cool, and stop there, not thinking about balancing them
> Usually these shoots where the crossbows overpower the bows, are
> known distances, no speed rounds, many shots per target, etc.
> Most likely someone made a couple of cardboard targets, set them
> said for everyone to take 6 shots at each untimed. This is the
> crossbowman's dream. AS WELL AS anyone who is an accurate, but
> Some more thought needs put into balancing the overall
competition. Have a
> good mix of speed & untimed rounds. Unmarked distances. Odd
> conditions. Movement of the archer (a 'running' shoot), etc.
> zones. One/two shot targets, etc.
> Looking into these ideas and thinking about balancing your shoot
> the faster less accurate archers, and the slower more accurate
> you will find a good competition with the bows & crossbows running
> Conversely, I have been to competitions, that as a crossbowman,
> IMPOSSIBLE for me to win.
> One example was an event I went to, a large roving range, with,
> 10 targets. Every single target was a single arrow, with just a 1-
> for a hit. EXCEPT for one. Ok, so right now you have a 9-point
> The 'last' target, was a speed round, against multiple targets, on
> one of the targets had multiple hits possible, and that target had
> 2-point (large) kill zone. But you had to hit these two other
> first. (Standard hunter & his dogs idea) Well, being a standing
> crossbowman, I can get 5-6 shots off in 30 seconds. With multiple
> make that only 5. So at most, I could get 8 points here. giving
> maximum for the course, of 17 points. However, the bowmen there
> shoot 10-12 arrows in 30 seconds, could get a maximum of 18-22
> that one shoot alone. Meaning that they could have skipped the
> of the shoot, showed up only at that one target, and outshoot me
> whole competition *grin*
> Anyway, the point is, that shoots can be unbalanced in either
> and unfortuantely, the 'standard shoots' tend to be a bit
unbalanced in the
> direction of the crossbow.
> >Crossbow Royal Round, essentially the only difference would be to
> >have everyone shoot from a standing postion (kneeling behind a
> >on the battlefield was also period for crossbows) and adjust
> >for the difference in a crossbows rate of fire for a 30-second
> Well, a number of people & myself have discussed the RR as it
> have decided (open to debate here), that the RR IS balanced, at
> mark. That is to say, once you start hitting around a score of
> bowman and crossbowman, are at similar levels of practice, skill,
> effort. Because the speed portion of the competition really starts
> become important at these higher scores.
> At the lower score levels, the crossbowman jumps up the rank
> quicker. Because of the reliance of short range, untimed accuracy
> distances. All things in the crossbowmans favor.
> The idea had been tossed around, of a modifed ranking system, to
> things equal perhaps. Currently, in Atlantia, we have:
> 40 - Marksman
> 60 - Bowman
> 80 - Bowman Elite
> 100 - Grand Bowman Elite
> The idea to 'balance' the crossbows, would be to have 15point steps
> them, starting down from 100:
> 55 - Marksman
> 70 - Bowman
> 85 - Bowman Elite
> 100 - Grand Bowman Elite
> With the idea again being that things are already balanced at the
> mark. But that this raises the 'entry level' bar for the
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