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35370Re: [SCA-Archery] defining Archery

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  • James of the Lake
    Mar 25, 2014
      I’ve often felt that a more accurate model for our game is that of a medieval tourney society rather than a medieval re-creation per se'.  What we call a war is more like a melee tournament (with much better boundary control).


      On Mar 25, 2014, at 1:51 PM, USER USER <kldolphin@...> wrote:

      Archery, like any other pursuit, if done on the war field, is heavy combat. If you have to dress as a heavy to do something, you are a heavy. One day, maybe all forms of heavy combat will be recognized as a way to become knighted. Becoming king is an entirely different matter.


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      From: John Edgerton
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      Venice for which I have a quote. And Genoa, for which I can not find a quote at this time. 


      In 1301 the government instructed that each galley carry 30 such crossbowmen, who would also row on the inner benches.  Shooting practice was compulsory in Venice, citizens training at the butts in groups of 12.  They also competed in three annual competitions where the government offered rich prizes: … One group of crossbow men known as the “noble bowmen” were recruited from the aristocracy and served aboard both war galleys and armed merchantmen from the late 14th century onwards, having the privilege of living in the captain’s cabin. Such service could also be the first step in a military or political career. [i]

      [i]   David Nicolle, et al. The Venetian Empire 1200-1670.  Osprey Publishing, 1989. Page 7

      From: Carolus <eulenhorst@...>
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] defining Archery

      Sir Jon,
      Could you please cite which states and when?  Were they handbow or crossbow?
      On 3/23/2014 7:25 PM, John R. Edgerton wrote:
      Archery practices were also reguried
      by law in some Italian city states.


      James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:

      Gentlemen & Ladies,
      I tend to agree with Iurii on this one.  Archery by the middle ages was primarily a hunting weapon, occasionally a weapon of war, and a weapon used in a non-contact field sport.  What SCA target archery simulates is the non-contact field sport as practiced during medieval archery competitions.  So SCA target archery is actually a martial activity in the general sense, but non-combat.  The same could be said of SCA armored combat tournaments.  SCA combat archery attempts to simulate medieval warfare and is therefore a martial activity and a combat activity.  I can't cite any examples of archery being incorporated into medieval armored combat tournaments.  This is the reason why you do not ever see combat archery being used in an SCA crown tournament. The SCA does not officially sponsor hunting or fishing with the bow.  For that we have Saint Huberts(?) Rangers.  
      As to archery training being required by law during the middle ages and renaissance, as was suggested by one responder, that was true only for some cultures.  England being the only example I can confidently cite.
      Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"

      This may sound contradictory, but I consider it a 'Martial' activity because it does involve the launching/shooting of a projectile to hit a target, from a weapon(the bow/crossbow). However, I do not consider it 'combat-related' unless it IS used in combat archery. I tend to think of martial-related and combat-related as being slightly different in definition/terminology, though I might be way off-base.

      - Iurii

      From: "otlcp1@..." <otlcp1@...>
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com 
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] defining Archery

      I was wondering how many people practicing archery in the SCA consider it a combat related activity? To me only combat archery would be defined in this as the type of archery actually practiced is a non combatant activity. 

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