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  • Guy Taylor
    Oct 6, 2013
      The excise tax on archery products is part of the Pittman-Robertson Act.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act

      Taillear

      On 10/6/13, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:
      > Ok, thanks for the clarification, didn't know about a specific shaft tax,
      > mainly because I've only bought arrows that are built already.
      >
      > - Iurii
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >>________________________________
      >> From: Guy Taylor <greenmanarrows@...>
      >>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      >>Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 10:02 AM
      >>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] RE: arrows
      >>
      >>
      >>http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i720.pdf
      >>
      >>See "What's New" on the first page, first column, second section.
      >>
      >>"Arrow shafts (IRS No. 106). For calendar year 2013 the tax on arrow
      >>shafts is $.48 per arrow shaft."
      >>
      >>This tax has been in place for quite some time. It was modified a few
      >>years ago due to lobbying from large synthetic material shaft
      >>manufacturers who saw an unfair discrepancy being applied to foreign
      >>shaft manufacturers. Unfortunately, domestic wood shafts got the raw
      >>end of the deal.
      >>This tax is paid by the manufacturers, not the retailer.
      >>
      >>Taillear
      >>
      >>On 10/6/13, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:
      >>> Don't know if this applies to the 'tax' you have been discussing, but I
      >>> recently made a purchase online from a business for one of my 'other'
      >>> hobbies/interests, and saw on the invoice that it said "Maryland State
      >>> Sales
      >>> & Internet Tax". I emailed the seller and asked him what that was about,
      >>> since I don't live in Maryland, and Oregon doesn't have sales tax, his
      >>> reply
      >>> is below.
      >>>
      >>> "In Maryland, internet based business's pay MD sales tax on all
      >>> purchases
      >>> made from out of state and sales made through the internet.  Rather
      >>> than hide that tax by raising the price of the merchandise I prefer to
      >>> show it for what it is."
      >>>
      >>> So I don't know if this is something that all sellers are/will be doing,
      >>> but
      >>> is this the new tax they might be referring to, or is it something
      >>> completely different?
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> - Iurii
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>>________________________________
      >>>> From: "stalek@..." <stalek@...>
      >>>>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 7:46 AM
      >>>>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] RE: arrows
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>I had a discussion with Ygraine at Kellswood Crafts about that over a
      >>>> year
      >>>> ago. Even though everyone else is raising their prices due to this
      >>>> extra
      >>>> tax, Kellswood Crafts has not. Their prices has been the same ($30 for
      >>>> a
      >>>> dozen shafts) since the fall of 2006 (they buy their shafts from Rose
      >>>> City). The only tax that is paid on their shafts is when MA customers
      >>>> have
      >>>> to pay sales tax. No other customer has to pay sales tax. Of course, to
      >>>> purchase Cedar shafts from them, you need to contact them directly to
      >>>> ensure they have them in stock. When I purchased some it took me over 3
      >>>> weeks to get them because they had just received a shipment of 5000
      >>>> shafts
      >>>> and hadn't had time to weigh and spine check then yet. When I got mine,
      >>>> all of the shafts were within a pound of each other and within 10
      >>>> grains
      >>>> of each other in weight.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>Eoin
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>________________________________
      >>>>
      >>>>From: cogworks@...
      >>>>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 8:27:31 AM
      >>>>Subject: RE: Re: [SCA-Archery] RE: arrows
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>Here is a post from Mungo, on this list but unable to connect at the
      >>>> time
      >>>> of reply.  I have experienced a few, very few shafts with the sap
      >>>> problem
      >>>> he refers to in his post.  I've found that after I applied the sealing
      >>>> coast, gasket sealer, there is no more leaking.  About a year ago Rose
      >>>> City put out an email to all customers that they had to raise their
      >>>> shaft
      >>>> rates due to some extra tax that was applied to arrow shafting (can we
      >>>> say
      >>>> archer shafting as well?  :-)  )  I notice on their new web site that
      >>>> they
      >>>> seem to have expanded their line of offerings, quiver, arm guards, etc.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>cog
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>Here's Mungo's post:
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>Rose City Archery is at: http://www.rosecityarchery.com/%c2%a0. Rose City
      >>>> shafts
      >>>> can be purchased at a considerable discount from FS Discount
      >>>> Archery: http://www.fsdiscountarchery.com/%c2%a0. FS sells them at just
      >>>> above
      >>>> wholesale as a loss leader.
      >>>>
      >>>>Rose City shafts USED TO BE cut exclusively from "sinker" logs, old
      >>>> timber
      >>>> salvaged from the bottom of abandoned log ponds in Oregon. The wood was
      >>>> 50-100 years old and naturally seasoned. With recent batches of shafts
      >>>> from FS, I have noticed that they are frequently bleeding pitch just
      >>>> like
      >>>> those from 3Rivers. This indicates to me that the RS shafts are now
      >>>> from
      >>>> freshly cut trees and the supply of sinkers has run out. I also noticed
      >>>> that the RS sub-page discussing their source has disappeared from their
      >>>> web site. FS says they are still selling RS shafts, but the quality
      >>>> seems
      >>>> to be about the same as those from 3Rivers. I've gone back to buying
      >>>> some
      >>>> shafts from FS anyway, since the price is considerably lower. Given
      >>>> that
      >>>> the direct price from RS is waaaaay out of line, I do not order
      >>>> directly
      >>>> from them. It would be interesting (but an expensive and unscientific
      >>>> experiment) to see how shafts ordered directly from RS compare with the
      >>>> two other sources.
      >>>>
      >>>>For my personal modern "pretty" arrows, I've been buying tapers from
      >>>> 3Rivers. I like them, but with my somewhat clumsy shooting I can't see
      >>>> much difference between them and untapered shafts. For loaner arrows
      >>>> and
      >>>> for my experiments with period arrows, I buy untapered shafts from FS.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>---In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>I was wondering who the primary supplier was.
      >>>>Rose City, how about a URL or such to help track down the right company
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:49 AM, <cogworks@...> wrote:
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>>Kinda surprised no one has recommended Rose City.  That's the company
      >>>>>> most businesses that sell cedar shafts get theirs from.  Check them
      >>>>>> out.
      >>>>>>  If you can swing buying 100 you get a better price.  They also offer
      >>>>>> lots of options, straight, guaranteed within 5 oz weight, pre-coated,
      >>>>>> etc.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>cog
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>---In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>>>> wrote:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>I finished a half-dozen arrows recently. As soon as i crest them with
      >>>>>>my Arms colors (black, red & white), I'll upload pics.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>Honestly, they turned out very nice! Much nicer than I expected!
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>I had to stop at 6 only because I ran out of fletching<g>. But I can
      >>>>>>buy more B&W feathers this weekend (after the car is fixed) and I
      >>>>>>still have a dozen points in my box and 18 more shafts in the tube,
      >>>>>>already coated and protected.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>My current problem is that I lost the shipping label and forgot which
      >>>>>>company from whom I bought the shafts. So I went through 18 months of
      >>>>>>checks and found three companies that sell archery:
      >>>>>>*GIBow
      >>>>>>*3RiversArchery
      >>>>>>*RMArchery.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>I only buy bows and strings from GIBow.
      >>>>>>3Rivers shows that I buy points and minor things from them.
      >>>>>>RMArchery has no record of me as a customer despite me sending them
      >>>>>>$50 and since RM website no longer carries shafts, I am looking for a
      >>>>>>new supplier.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>Anyone care to share their favorite suppliers of shafts and why?
      >>>>>>Also, do you prefer Cedar, fir or another wood? and why?
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>I've made arrows from pine dowels in the past with obvious problems so
      >>>>>>prefer cedar myself. I'm also willing to pay extra to have them
      >>>>>>pre-splined and guaranteed straight.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>Note: one company sells cedar shafts for $6 per dozen but will not
      >>>>>>guarantee straight grain or straight shafts... obviously I passed them
      >>>>>>by.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>--
      >>>>>>Rick Johnson
      >>>>>>http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
      >>>>>>"Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined
      >>>>>>security will soon find that they have neither."
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>--
      >>>>>Rick Johnson
      >>>>>http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
      >>>>>"Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined
      >>>>> security will soon find that they have neither."
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>
      >>
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