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32546Re: [SCA-Archery] Proposed Rules For New Grand Archery Shoot "Schutzenfest"

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  • Jonathas
    Jan 5, 2013
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      That was added so that in locations that do not draw many archers it would be possible to hold the same shoot at several events such that the combined total of archers would be enough.  We are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of our archery events have enough archers to qualify.


      On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried" <siegfried@...> wrote:

      Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing. 

      Primarily I meant the nature that this is still standardized in the nature of "create a shoot that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique ones that are encouraged in our area. 

      As people are not typically excited to drive 3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend. 



      On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@...> wrote:

      Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia) that have prided themselves at havin unique interesting shoots at events. And keeping "stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.


      On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

      One question:

      "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

      Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

      William Arwemakere

      On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@...> wrote:

      Dear Gladius -
      This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?


      ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
      > Gentlemen & Ladies,
      > >
      > From time to time over the years a discussion
      > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
      > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
      > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
      > that the existing standardized competitions give
      > a well rounded view of the skill of many
      > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
      > way of recording and comparing the standings of
      > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
      > events. More recently we had the discussion
      > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
      > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
      > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
      > of new martial Peerages in addition to
      > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
      > suggested that we need something in the archery
      > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
      > A number of us realized that the task of
      > designing such a tournament could not be
      > accomplished in a large public forum. We
      > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
      > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
      > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
      > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
      > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
      > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
      > rules as a test. As a result of the test
      > tournament, the rules were modified and
      > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
      > created to automatically calculate the percentile
      > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
      > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
      > public comment prior to creating the scores
      > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
      > >
      > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
      > >
      > >
      > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
      > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
      > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
      > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
      > and compare their performance to archers
      > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
      > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
      > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
      > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
      > means needed to be devised to record scores and
      > compare archer’s resulting standings in
      > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
      > large events where archery is included. The GAT
      > is an attempt to address this need.
      > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
      > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
      > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
      > be calculated based on their performance relative
      > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
      > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
      > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
      > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
      > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
      > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
      > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
      > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
      > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
      > the other competitors. The winner of the
      > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
      > while the others will have standings calculated
      > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
      > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
      > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
      > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
      > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
      > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
      > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
      > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
      > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
      > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
      > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
      > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
      > of 50 or higher will have their record
      > automatically posted to the scores page. This
      > cut off is necessary due to space and other
      > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
      > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
      > standings have reached the 50% or above
      > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
      > scores and request that a record be displayed
      > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
      > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
      > In the above example where eight crossbow
      > shooters participated, only the individuals who
      > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
      > automatically added to the scores page, if they
      > did not already have a previous record
      > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
      > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
      > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
      > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
      > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
      > If you have any questions, comments, or
      > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
      > Marshal Accounts
      > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
      > account, and would be willing to submit your
      > scores via the site, please send me an email with
      > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
      > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
      > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
      > are submitted via the site will be given priority
      > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
      > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
      > Any archery competition can be designated a
      > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
      > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
      > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
      > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
      > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
      > presence of a range of skill levels among the
      > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
      > scores for that division will not be valid and
      > will not be calculated and posted to the official
      > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
      > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
      > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
      > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
      > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
      > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
      > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
      > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
      > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
      > at several events in several locations. So long
      > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
      > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
      > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
      > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
      > be set up at two or three events that all six
      > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
      > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
      > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
      > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
      > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
      > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
      > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
      > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
      > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
      > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
      > To be official, the competition must be shot at
      > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
      > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
      > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
      > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
      > are present. This rule has been added to assure
      > the maximum number of participants the
      > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
      > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
      > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
      > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
      > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
      > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
      > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
      > according to your archery rules may be used in a
      > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
      > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
      > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
      > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
      > Certain basic information must be recorded and
      > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
      > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
      > place or places where the shoot was held,
      > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
      > participants, their home groups, their home
      > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
      > numeric score. Ties do not present a
      > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
      > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
      > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
      > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
      > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
      > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
      > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
      > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
      > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
      > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
      > entered in any order. The resulting standings
      > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.

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