28097Re: Historical quiver construction
- Dec 7, 2010Ian,
Your comment was "vertically along the lower back". Given that as written I don't think it would work as the lower half of the quiver would be hitting the saddle. Now if you meant horizontally that could work as the quiver would be laying crosswise to the saddle with the fletches sticking out one side for easy access. But that also brings up another point about quivers. Pictures of an actual Mongol style quivers that I have seen have arrow loops inside them. That is, each loop holds one arrow snugly inside the quiver. If one were actually fighting from horse back this would help to keep the arrows from bouncing out of the quiver. I made a quiver like this and it works very well while not making it any more difficult to extract an arrow from the quiver. The "challenge" is putting the arrows in the quiver one loop at a time.
As for having the quiver on the bow arm side, I have seen that as well. It seems ackward to me but I've seen folks do it and do it well. The most unusual method I've ever seen was one fellow at Pennsic. He used a back quiver, fairly standard but his method for extracting an arrow and nocking it was unusual. He was a right hand shooter. After shooting a shaft he would sling his bow over his right arm, string to outside, bow limbs to inside. He would then reach through the bow to extract an arrow from his back quiver. As he extracted the arrow he would bring the bow back to the normal shooting position whereupon the arrow would be positioned for nocking. Nock, draw, fire as usual. When I first saw him do it, I thought, why is he only shooting one arrow, as many archers will sling their bow over their shoulder when not shooting. I've tried this technique but all I can say is it would take me a LOT of practice to get it down pat.
My personal preference for a quiver is a side style. I extract arrows by the nock which allows me to nock them to the string faster as I'm controlling the nock end of the arrow with some degree of precision. Now for going to and fro the range at the big wars, Pennsic in particular, I have found a side quiver most unsuitable! One hand is dedicated to the quiver to prevent it from twisting around between my legs and tripping me and the other hand is dedicated to carrying the bow. Thus I have NO hand free to enjoy my mahrvelous Pennsic ice cream! A condition most unsuitable! Thus I have made what I call my Pennsic quiver. It simply has a back strap so the quiver can be worn/used back style. On the back of the quiver are two straps for tying the bow on for carrying. Everything is on my back and hands are free for the obvious reason stated previously. When I get to the range I take the bow off the quiver and wrap the back strap around the quiver and hang the quiver side style. Oh yeah, and I wipe the last of the Pennsic ice cream from my face before shooting! :-)
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--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "i_griffen" <i_griffen@...> wrote:
> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Carolus <eulenhorst@> wrote:
> > Agreed, they should be taken as "suggestions", however, I have used my
> > quiver on my bow arm side and seen other do so as well. I also suspect
> > that both the basketwork and leather suggestions may be correct. belts
> > have often been made of woven leather strips and this would be an
> > excellent method of making a bottom and reinforced top for a quiver.
> > Remember what was posted earlier about conservation of materials.
> > Carolus
> > The Greys wrote:
> > > Folks I am NOT a nit picker however a few comments about these two pictures which I have seen before. First off our view point is from the archer's back as evidenced by the bow arm crossing in front of the bow and either the archer has had his right arm hacked off at the elbow, thus he is a one armed archer(?), or it is in the draw position. Thus his quiver is either on his bow arm side or on his back. I doubt it would be on his back due to the physical mechanics of how a person sits a horse. In either case it would seem nearly impossible to draw an arrow from the quiver. If on his bow arm side he would have to reach across his body to get an arrow. If mounted vertically at the center of his back it would seem extremely ackward and of no advantage in a battle. So my main point here then is that these are artist's renditions of battles they most likely were told about and the artists were not archers themselves and thus totally unfamiliar with how an archer would actually wear or use their gear. Thus, while these do serve as a bit of reference to how things were done in the past, I do not think we should be taking them so literaly. I view these as "suggestions" as to how things may have been.
> > >
> > > cog
> > >
> Cog you make some valid points. Consider this, if one was to take the Quiver and place it verticaly along the lower back. I think this would work if one was sitting on a horse, chair or standing.
> What do you think
> Iain Griffen
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