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  • Lord Cain Saethydd
    Dec 17, 2004
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      MICE!!!!!!!!

      Don't get me started on mice and foolish truck drivers sleeping on
      top of thier loads of cotton seed.

      Cain (foolish and Nekkid truck driver)

      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Pratt, Jr."
      <cunning@f...> wrote:
      > Now for a real farmer's answer. The John Deere 25T(20 year old
      baler, two
      > twine or two wire baler) uses a cross-section of 14 by 18 inches
      and 12 to
      > 50 inches long(from the Operators manual that we got with the new
      baler).
      > There are other balers with different sizes but this is the MOST
      common. We
      > make our bales 32-40 inches long so they will stack easily. Wire
      tied straw
      > bales are my choice for butts. Hay is sometimes baled looser so
      it can
      > finish drying or can be lifted by old men. Old hay is cheaper than
      straw and
      > will loosen with age. Straw will stay tight a long time unless the
      mice get
      > into it.
      >
      > James Cunningham
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "lindorie55" <sueorintx@h...>
      > To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:18 AM
      > Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Hay vs Straw
      >
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > Why does somebody need to be wrong here. Obviously you gentlemen
      have
      > > different experiences with straw bales, but neither of you has
      to be
      > > right, nor wrong. My own experience with bales of all kinds is
      that
      > > whether a bale is more dense or less depends a lot on the
      machine it
      > > was baled on and the settings. Straw would, scientifically be
      less
      > > dense on the basis of it being made of hollow tubes filled with
      air,
      > > but if compressed tightly enough, yes a bale would be quite
      sturdy. I
      > > have had reason to be in contact with both tightly baled straw
      and
      > > hay as well as loosely baled hay and straw. Personally I would
      rather
      > > try straw as it is cheaper and why waste good feed. Now if I
      could
      > > get moldy bales of hay for free...I'd take that in a second.
      > >
      > > Both of you are correct in your statements. The only thing I see
      that
      > > is wrong is the combative tone of the second post. Please
      consider
      > > the tone of your messages. We are supposed to be part of an
      > > organization that bases its existance on chivalric values such as
      > > honor and courtesy.
      > >
      > > Happy Holidays
      > >
      > > Lady Linet Grey
      > >
      > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, George Mateja <bryn1594@y...>
      > > wrote:
      > > > You are not correct when you state that "straw is not
      > > > as dense, nor as strong as hay. So, the straw bales
      > > > will not hold up as well as the hay bales when used
      > > > for archery or war barriers." Wire tied straw bales
      > > > are packed much more densely than hay and hold up
      > > > better than twine packed bales. They have the
      > > > advantage of being baled as tightly as round bales and
      > > > are able to be carried on and off the field by hand.
      > > > They easily last several years under heavy use for
      > > > archery.
      > > >
      > > > Vaclav
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- Lord Cain Saethydd <capt_cain@y...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Being a truck driver in the 'AG' (agriculture)
      > > > > business, I can
      > > > > persoanly attest that there is not a standard size
      > > > > to the bales. The
      > > > > range from 25lbs to well over 4 tons. Dimension, of
      > > > > course, varying
      > > > > as well. The prime reason for the variances remains
      > > > > in the hands of
      > > > > the equipment manufacturers. It seems that each
      > > > > manufacturer has a
      > > > > large and small bale size, and builds the baling
      > > > > machines to fit
      > > > > thier own 'special' sizes. =/
      > > > >
      > > > > Of note, straw is not as dense, nor as strong as
      > > > > hay. So, the straw
      > > > > bales will not hold up as well as the hay bales when
      > > > > used for
      > > > > archery or war barriers. However, straw was used,
      > > > > and is still, a
      > > > > very nice way to cover up mud, and soak up the
      > > > > water. The 'Duchey of
      > > > > the Blackrose' occasionaly uses it. To have a mud
      > > > > field become solid
      > > > > and passable, especialy when it is in front of your
      > > > > tent, is
      > > > > priceless, let me tell you!
      > > > >
      > > > > Cain
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton
      > > > > <sirjon1@p...>
      > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > Can someone post the average dimensions of a hay
      > > > > bale, width,
      > > > > length
      > > > > > and height?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thanks
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Jon
      > > > >
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