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16780Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Hay vs Straw

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  • James W. Pratt, Jr.
    Dec 14, 2004
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      Now for a real farmer's answer. The John Deere 25T(20 year old baler, two
      twine or two wire baler) uses a cross-section of 14 by 18 inches and 12 to
      50 inches long(from the Operators manual that we got with the new baler).
      There are other balers with different sizes but this is the MOST common. We
      make our bales 32-40 inches long so they will stack easily. Wire tied straw
      bales are my choice for butts. Hay is sometimes baled looser so it can
      finish drying or can be lifted by old men. Old hay is cheaper than straw and
      will loosen with age. Straw will stay tight a long time unless the mice get
      into it.

      James Cunningham


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "lindorie55" <sueorintx@...>
      To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:18 AM
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Hay vs Straw


      >
      >
      > Why does somebody need to be wrong here. Obviously you gentlemen have
      > different experiences with straw bales, but neither of you has to be
      > right, nor wrong. My own experience with bales of all kinds is that
      > whether a bale is more dense or less depends a lot on the machine it
      > was baled on and the settings. Straw would, scientifically be less
      > dense on the basis of it being made of hollow tubes filled with air,
      > but if compressed tightly enough, yes a bale would be quite sturdy. I
      > have had reason to be in contact with both tightly baled straw and
      > hay as well as loosely baled hay and straw. Personally I would rather
      > try straw as it is cheaper and why waste good feed. Now if I could
      > get moldy bales of hay for free...I'd take that in a second.
      >
      > Both of you are correct in your statements. The only thing I see that
      > is wrong is the combative tone of the second post. Please consider
      > the tone of your messages. We are supposed to be part of an
      > organization that bases its existance on chivalric values such as
      > honor and courtesy.
      >
      > Happy Holidays
      >
      > Lady Linet Grey
      >
      > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, George Mateja <bryn1594@y...>
      > wrote:
      > > You are not correct when you state that "straw is not
      > > as dense, nor as strong as hay. So, the straw bales
      > > will not hold up as well as the hay bales when used
      > > for archery or war barriers." Wire tied straw bales
      > > are packed much more densely than hay and hold up
      > > better than twine packed bales. They have the
      > > advantage of being baled as tightly as round bales and
      > > are able to be carried on and off the field by hand.
      > > They easily last several years under heavy use for
      > > archery.
      > >
      > > Vaclav
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- Lord Cain Saethydd <capt_cain@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Being a truck driver in the 'AG' (agriculture)
      > > > business, I can
      > > > persoanly attest that there is not a standard size
      > > > to the bales. The
      > > > range from 25lbs to well over 4 tons. Dimension, of
      > > > course, varying
      > > > as well. The prime reason for the variances remains
      > > > in the hands of
      > > > the equipment manufacturers. It seems that each
      > > > manufacturer has a
      > > > large and small bale size, and builds the baling
      > > > machines to fit
      > > > thier own 'special' sizes. =/
      > > >
      > > > Of note, straw is not as dense, nor as strong as
      > > > hay. So, the straw
      > > > bales will not hold up as well as the hay bales when
      > > > used for
      > > > archery or war barriers. However, straw was used,
      > > > and is still, a
      > > > very nice way to cover up mud, and soak up the
      > > > water. The 'Duchey of
      > > > the Blackrose' occasionaly uses it. To have a mud
      > > > field become solid
      > > > and passable, especialy when it is in front of your
      > > > tent, is
      > > > priceless, let me tell you!
      > > >
      > > > Cain
      > > >
      > > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton
      > > > <sirjon1@p...>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > > Can someone post the average dimensions of a hay
      > > > bale, width,
      > > > length
      > > > > and height?
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks
      > > > >
      > > > > Jon
      > > >
      > > >
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