14257Re: [SCA-Archery] Back quiver VS. Hip quiver- further study
- Jan 29, 2004I fully concur that the concept of a back quiver is quite likely and I
find no problem with it in the game we play. However, in the interest of
the true study of history, we need to prove via documentary sources the
existence and use of the back quiver before saying that it is a truly
"period" and authentic construct. To do otherwise is speculative
One of the strengths of our organization is its ability to use
speculative history in our game. It is also one of its liabilities in
the academic world. Knowing the difference is important in establishing
credibility. When we say "they must have had..." because we see the
required materials and technologies in place but we cannot show the
documentation we are doing ourselves a disservice. I have had professors
tell me that they had people speak up in their classes and tell them that
such and such must have been done because that's the way its done in the
SCA when the written record clearly shows otherwise. This only hurts our
I say these things not to criticize any here as I know you to be good and
knowledgeable people but to point out why we need to set a higher
standard than in the past. A standard I see often used as a mark by
those researching archery.
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Carolus von Eulenhorst
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P.S Thanks for the page of illustrations. This fully supports the point
that the back quiver should be considered valid and suitable for SCA use.
It does not, however, demonstrate cultural validity and the actual use
of the back quiver by those we recreate.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:43:57 -0000 "Eadric Anstapa"
> Mac Con mac Conaill <mac_con_mac_conaill@...> said:________________________________________________________________
> > This is from a friend of mine so I take no credit in finding this
> but if it is true does it prove back quivers are period?
> > A painting of Elizabeth 1 as Diana by Cornelus Vroom(1566-1640).
> > The painting clear shows a back quiver worn by Elizabeth, this
> > painting hang in the Hatfeild House. Can be found in "The Grey
> > Wing" this book can be found at your local library, page 143.
> > Page 41 of the same book shows a bowmen of Ramesses 3rd with an
> > elaborately decorated quiver, which is worn on the back. this was
> > taken from a coloured relief at Medinet Habu, xxth dynasty(1192-
> > 1160b.c.). and there are others I would just have to find them.
> I put portrtait of Elzabeth by Vroom and some other pics at
> I have some other pictures from books that I need to scan in and
> to the page.
> While I'll agree that shoulder quivers do not seem to have been as
> widely used as other quivers in most European cultures in period, I
> think it is clear that those cultures knew about back quivers. I
> dont think it is unreasonable to assume that some of them would
> at least tried back quivers.
> HL Eadric Anstapa
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