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14213Re: [SCA-Archery] Back quiver VS. Hip quiver- further study

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  • John Edgerton
    Jan 27, 2004
      I have reread the information from Melitta Franceschini several times.
      But, other than the statement that " .... he surely had a back quiver."
      There is no information in the description to indicate that it was a
      back quiver. And the information that the strap for the quiver was
      missing would make it hard to determine how it was worn since the method
      of suspension was not known. Also a side pocket would be hard to get to
      on a back quiver. That does not mean it could not have one, just that it
      be arkward to get to with out removing the quiver.

      (who uses a back quiver for target and a mid 1400's style bag quiver for

      sayokom@... wrote:

      >I have been watching the debate of whether or not the back quiver is period or
      >not, and if there was even ANY precedence for them.
      >I started to research this issue myself because I am rather partial to the back
      >quiver. I came across the Ötzi, the Iceman and found out that he had a quiver
      >with some arrows in it. But all the information that I read did not tell me
      >whether or not it was a back or hip quiver.
      >So, I emailed the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology in Italy with the question
      >of whether or not the Iceman carried a back or hip quiver, and the following is
      >the answer I got back from them:
      >referring to your question about the Iceman we can tell that he surely had a
      >back quiver.
      >Below some information about it:
      >"The quiver is made of a rectangular, elongated hide bag that tapers slightly
      >towards the bottom. The piece of hide was held together lengthways and
      >supported by a 9.-cm-long hazel wood rod. This supporting strut had already
      >been broken into three sections during Ötzi's lifetime. The lid and the
      >carrying strap were missing. The elaborately decorated side pocket remains in
      >good condition however.
      >The quiver contained twelve rough arrow shafts and two finished arrows. The
      >unfinished shafts are between 84 and 87 cm long and made of the shoots of
      >viburnum sapwood. Their bark had been removed but not yet smoothed down and all
      >had notches cut into the ends.
      >Both finished arrows have flint arrowheads, fixed to the shaft with birch tar
      >and then bound with thread. These arrows are unique in that the shafts display
      >the remains of three-part radial fletching, attached with birch tar and bound
      >with thin nettle fibres. This fletching served to stabilize the arrow during
      >flight. One of the arrows had an extended shaft made of cornel wood inserted
      >into the top.
      >The quiver also held four tips of stag antlers tied together with strips of
      >bast. There was also a bent antler tip that the Iceman probably used for
      >skinning the animals he had hunted.
      >Besides two animal sinews, there was also a ball of tree bast string some two
      >metres long. The irregular and inelastic nature of this cord makes it unlikely
      >that it colud have served as a bowstring."
      >From: "Ötzi, the Iceman - A full facts at a glance" Author: Angelika
      >Fleckinger, Folio-Editor
      >I hope that I could help you. Please don't hesitate to contact me for any
      >further information.
      >Kind wishes,
      >Melitta Franceschini
      >South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology
      >So, the back quiver is actually PRE-period and there is precendence for back
      >quivers in the SCA. I hope that this puts fuel to the fire and supports back
      >quiver usage.
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