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  • Deborah Shepherd
    That s very true. The contrast of wife or mother versus maiden seems more important than biological male versus female. ... From: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
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      That's very true. The contrast of "wife" or "mother" versus "maiden" seems
      more important than biological male versus female.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SACC-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Dorothy Davis
      Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:53 AM
      To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Student Question About Third Gender

      Thanks Deborah,
      The key seems to be being nulliparous...no kids. like the Cheyenne "Manly
      hearted Women".


      On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Deborah Shepherd <shephdj@...> wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > Hello, Nikki
      >
      > Here's a very different example. Viking scholars working with Old
      > Norse literature surmise that females who were still maidens could
      > adopt masculine behaviors. The suggested reason for this is that the
      > Norse believed in the inheritance of characteristics such as valor and
      > fighting skill. If a warrior had no son, it would be possible for his
      > daughter to substitute as a son until she married. Then she would be
      > required to behave and dress as a woman. However, since she had been a
      > virtual son for a period of time, she would then be able to pass down
      > her father's heroic qualities to her son. This interpretation has been
      > offered as an explanation for Anglo-Saxon weapon burials where DNA has
      > proven that the deceased was a female.
      >
      > Here are some sources:
      >
      > Clover, Carol
      >
      > 1986 "Maiden Warriors and Other Sons," Journal of English and Germanic
      > Philology 85 (1): 35-49.
      >
      > Dommasnes, Liv Helga
      >
      > 1991 "Women, Kinship, and the Basis of Power in the Norwegian Viking Age"
      > IN Social Approaches to Viking Studies, ed., Ross Samson. Glasgow:
      > Cruithne Press, 65-73.
      >
      > I have my own paper on the subject (1998) posted online:
      >
      >
      > http://www.academia.edu/456066/The_Elusive_Warrior_Maiden_Tradition_Be
      > aring_Weapons_In_Anglo-Saxon_Society
      >
      > Deborah Shepherd
      >
      > From: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SACC-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > Of Nikki Ives
      > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:29 PM
      > To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [SACC-L] Student Question About Third Gender
      >
      > Hello Everyone! A student in my cultural online class has asked a good
      > question and I told her I would ask my colleagues about it. Here is
      > her
      > question:
      >
      > "Do cultures and societies that have a third-gender, tend to lean more
      > towards acceptance of an alternative gender for one biological sex,
      > over another? For example, the text mentioned that some Native
      > American societies have alternative genders, known as berdaches
      > (biological man), and "'manly-hearted woman"' (biological woman)
      > (Kottak 2012: 151). What I am wondering is that, are there Native
      > American societies who recognize and respect berdaches as a gender but
      > not "'manly-hearted women"' and/or vice versa; also, does this type of
      > discrimination occur among other societies with alternative genders?"
      >
      > I don't really know much about Native American culture and third
      > gender attitudes but I know many of you have done a great deal of work
      > with Native American cultures, so I thought I'd bring this to you.
      > Also, Laura - I thought of you and your blog posts about hijras.
      >
      > Any thoughts?
      >
      > Thanks!
      > Nikki
      >
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