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  • anthropmor@AOL.COM
    I thought that was a atural change and not (just) due to modern environmental hormones. I wasn t thinking of environmental hormones, so much as overall health
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      I thought that was a
      atural change and not (just) due to modern environmental hormones.

      I wasn't thinking of environmental hormones, so much as overall health - there are mler 40-50 year olds now, that are actually available , in large communities, etc.
      Mike Pavlik






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      True. I also assumed when I started to read the article that the conclusion
      ould promote increased female urges as a way of keeping families together. In
      act, I'm sure I've heard that argument more than once.
      Very true about menopausal women having few or no worries of pregnancy, but once
      e are in our thirties, fertility levels do start to drop. I thought that was a
      atural change and not (just) due to modern environmental hormones.

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      it also avoids social factors- such as why now has this become so muchmore
      ommon ( post WW2 - today) ?
      r earlier - is this related to the grandmother hypothesis? Is this the soccial
      ement of sex?
      ike Pavlik
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      but--according to this study--it's the pre-menopausal women in their 30's
      nd 40's that were found to be the most sexual, not older women, who have
      ess chance of becoming pregnant the closer they get to menopausal age...I,
      ike you, have also always thought that menopausal women felt the freeest
      ith their sexuality...
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      >I thought it was funny that "some three-quarters" of the participants were
      recruited from Craigslist. Self-selection may well be a problem. It depends
      on how they advertised. Did they use the employment section and offer a
      cash payment for participation? That might be a better approach.

      I've also heard the explanation that older women are more confident that
      they *won't* get pregnant. Makes a lot of sense, too. I'm not too sure
      about this research design.

      Deborah

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      http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2002838,00.html

      The Science of Cougar Sex: Why Older Women Lust
      Jul. 09, 2010

      Men who cheat on their spouses have always enjoyed an expedient
      explanation:
      Evolution made me do it. Many articles (here is one, and here is another),
      especially in recent years, have explored the theory that men sleep around
      because evolution has programmed them to seek fertile (and, conveniently,
      younger) wombs.

      But what about women? If it's really true that evolution can cause a man
      to
      risk his marriage, what effect does it have on women's sexuality?

      A new journal article suggests that evolutionary forces also push women to
      be more sexual, although in some unexpected ways. University of Texas
      psychologist David Buss wrote the article, which appears in the July issue
      of Personality and Individual Differences, with the help of three grad
      students, Judith Easton (who is listed as lead author), Jaime Confer and
      Cari Goetz. Buss, Easton and their colleagues found that women in their
      30s
      and early 40s are significantly more sexual than younger women. Women ages
      27 through 45 report not only having more sexual fantasies (and more
      intense
      sexual fantasies) than women ages 18 through 26; the older women also
      report
      having more sex, period. And they are more willing than younger women to
      have casual sex, even one-night stands. In other words, despite the
      girls-gone-wild image of promiscuous college women, it is women in their
      middle years who are America's most sexually industrious.

      By contrast, men's sexual interest and output, usually measured by
      reported
      number of orgasms per week, peaks in the teen years and then settles to a
      steady level (an average of three orgasms per week) for most of their
      lives.
      As I pointed out in March, most men remain sexually active into their 70s.
      According to the new study, as well as the one I wrote about in March,
      women's sexual ardor declines precipitously after menopause.

      Why would women be more sexually active in their middle years than in
      their
      teens and 20s? Buss and his students say evolution has encouraged women to
      be more sexually active as their fertility begins to decline and as
      menopause approaches.

      Here's how their theory works:

      Our female ancestors would have grown accustomed to watching many of their
      children - perhaps as many as half - die of various diseases, starvation,
      warfare and so on before being able to have kids of their own. This trauma
      left a psychological imprint to bear as many children as possible.
      Becoming
      pregnant is much easier for women and girls in their teens and early 20s -
      so much easier that they need not spend much time having sex.

      However, after the mid-20s, the lizard-brain impulse to have more kids
      faces
      a stark reality: it's harder and harder to get pregnant as a woman's
      remaining eggs age. And so women in their middle years respond by seeking
      more and more sex.

      To test this theory, Buss and his students asked 827 women to complete
      questionnaires about their sexual habits. And, indeed, they found that
      women
      who had passed their peak fertility years but not quite reached menopause
      were the most sexually active. This age group - 27 through 45 - reported
      having significantly more sex than the two other age groups in the study,
      18
      through 26 and 46 and up. Women in their middle years were also more
      likely
      than the younger women to fantasize about someone other than their current
      partner. The new findings are consistent with those of an earlier Buss
      paper, from 2002, which found that women in their early 30s feel more
      lustful and report less abstinence than women in other age groups. In both
      studies, these findings held true for both partnered and single women,
      meaning that married women in their 30s and early 40s tend to have more
      sex
      than married women in their early 20s; ditto for single women. Also,
      whether
      the women were mothers didn't matter. Only age had a strong affect on
      women's reported sexual interest and behavior.

      And yet there are a few flaws with the data in the new paper. Chiefly:
      some
      three-quarters of the participants in the study were recruited on
      craigslist.com, a website where many go to seek hook-ups, meaning there's
      a
      self-selection problem with the sample. (The other participants were
      students at the University of Texas in Austin.) The authors also note that
      there are some alternative explanations for why women in their 30s and
      early
      40s might be more sexual. Many of them may simply be more comfortable with
      sex than women in their teens and early 20s. Still, that raises the
      question
      of why they are more comfortable: perhaps evolution programmed that
      comfort.

      Buss is the author of the groundbreaking book The Evolution of Desire:
      Strategies of Human Mating, which is now in its fourth edition, and he has
      become strongly associated with evolutionary explanations for sexual
      behavior. His theories explain why men can be cads - and, it turns out,
      why
      women can be cougars.

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