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  • Kent Morris
    a simple case of projection--blaming you for their own mistakes...and an ego-obsession with things that are only recreationally-oriented or don t require very
    Message 1 of 34 , Nov 2, 2009
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      a simple case of projection--blaming you for their own mistakes...and an
      ego-obsession with things that are only recreationally-oriented or don't
      require very much motivation...
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      From: "Hare II, William E" <whare@...>
      To: <SACC-L@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:28 AM
      Subject: RE: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations


      >I am teaching an online course in World Music for the first time. After
      > the first online quiz the students complained because I did not tell
      > them they had to listen to the textbook companion CDs. They also said
      > they did not know what tracks to listen to (the text and quiz refers to
      > CD 1:13.....can anyone on this list understand this complex code?). The
      > syllabus clearly indicates chapter readings for each week which direct
      > them to the correct CD to listen to. I have always felt that I am as
      > much an "educator" as I am an "anthropologist", however, I do think we
      > are seeing a generation of students who have not been trained to be
      > self-motivating or inquisitive. Perhaps a result of the test-driven "no
      > child left unharmed" initiatives of the last administration?
      >
      >
      >
      > Will
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      > From: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SACC-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > Of Pam Ford
      > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:50 AM
      > To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
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      > Wow....I tell my students when they ask for a curve that I would only
      > grade on a curve if they show me that everyone read the book, attended
      > every class, and did all the homework. I've appreciated everyone's
      > comments begun by Monica's Bad Day (I remember having a hissy fit in
      > class one day for the very same reasons). We are teaching students how
      > to be students and I think that's half our job. I learn a lot from this
      > job every day, but the goal remains the same: help them succeed in an
      > arena for which many are unprepared. As teachers/anthropologists, our
      > own experiences lead each of us to do this slightly differently, but it
      > sounds like we are pretty good at it, as indicated by our desires to get
      > better. Thanks for all the comments.
      >
      > ~Pam
      >
      > From: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
      > SACC-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
      > Of Monica Bellas
      > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:15 PM
      > To: sacc-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sacc-l%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: RE: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
      >
      > Yes, it was an entire section -- 48 students. Lucky for them I grade on
      > a modified curve (highest score becomes the 100% mark), otherwise there
      > would've been 4 B's, about 8 C's, and the rest D's and F's. Only four of
      > them read the chapter for that day's lecture, so I sent them all home.
      >
      > Monica
      >
      > To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com>
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      > From: km52@... <mailto:km52%40att.net> <mailto:km52%40att.net>
      > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:12:30 -0800
      > Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
      >
      > oh--I misread...How can an entire section not be responsible?...Monica,
      > are
      > you telling us everything?
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <anthropmor@... <mailto:anthropmor%40AOL.COM>
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      > To: <SACC-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com>
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      > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:17 PM
      > Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
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      >> it is beyond one student - it was a section!
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: Kent Morris <km52@... <mailto:km52%40att.net>
      > <mailto:km52%40att.net> >
      >> To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:SACC-L%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:37 pm
      >> Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
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      >> I have never included any such expectations in my syllabus because I
      >> always
      >> figured that reading the text and studying for exams were obvious
      >> expectations, and I know that you care about this particular student,
      >> but
      >> sometimes you just have to not get so personally involved and just let
      >> the
      >> kid grow up the hard way...
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Monica Bellas" <lady13wind@...
      > <mailto:lady13wind%40hotmail.com>
      > <mailto:lady13wind%40hotmail.com> >
      >> To: <sacc-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sacc-l%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:sacc-l%40yahoogroups.com> >
      >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:39 PM
      >> Subject: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations
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      >>>
      >>> I have a question which I'm sure the many experts on the listserv can
      >>> answer. I just scolded (very strongly) my students in one of my
      >> sections
      >>> for not reading their textbook and not studying for their exam. I'm
      >>> seriously thinking about included a list of "expectations" for future
      >>> students, which would be part of my syllabus. (I would also include a
      >>> list of what they should expect from me.) Has anyone done this
      >> before?
      >>> If so, what did you include? (Please note I'm not talking about an
      >> "Honor
      >>> Code," but what I expect from them.)
      >>>
      >>> Thanks so much,
      >>>
      >>> Monica Bellas
      >>>
      >>> Cerritos College
      >>>
      >>> Norwalk, CA
      >>>
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    • Monica Bellas
      I didn t get a chance earlier to thank everyone for your suggestions. I am incorporating a few ideas for my syllabus, and will also be speaking to them the
      Message 34 of 34 , Dec 20, 2009
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        I didn't get a chance earlier to thank everyone for your suggestions. I am incorporating a few ideas for my syllabus, and will also be speaking to them the first day of class about how I managed to get through college despite marriage, two kids, and working.

        Thanks again!

        Monica Bellas

        Cerritos College

        Norwalk, CA




        To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
        From: lloyd.miller@...
        Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:02:34 -0500
        Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations





        Monica,

        I did almost the identical thing some years ago (I retired in 2000).
        I scolded the entire class for a total of about 15 minutes, then
        walked out, telling them that if they wanted to talk to me, I'd be in
        my office for the rest of the class hour. I guess they were somewhat
        stunned; the few who did come by said as much and something to the
        effect of, "Gosh, we didn't know you cared that much!"

        So in subsequent syllabi, I included a section of what I expected of
        them (courtesy toward me and each other, attentiveness, preparation
        for class--I can't remember it all, but something like if you're not
        going to at least show good student behavior, don't come to class. I
        offered extra credit for good attendance). They could expect from me
        that I would also be prepared for class, that I would grade and return
        to them promptly tests and other assignments. I would show them the
        respect due them and treat them fairly and equitably; again, I can't
        remember all I had, because in later years I changed my message to
        them somewhat, but kept the same intent and spirit.

        I will send you a pdf of several pages of a syllabus by separate email
        because the listserv doesn't accept attachments. One item on it is
        titled, "Some Characteristics of Successful Students" that I got from
        a colleague in psychology. It presents good student behavior to them
        impersonally as a study rather than as a direct exhortation from me to
        them. I'll also send you a pdf of Tom Wayman's delightful poem, "Did
        I Miss Anything?" that we reprinted in SACC Notes, Vol. 12, No. 2 2006
        (in case you didn't save all your issues of SACC Notes in gold-
        embossed, leather-bound volumes). :)

        Lloyd

        On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Monica Bellas wrote:

        >
        > I have a question which I'm sure the many experts on the listserv
        > can answer. I just scolded (very strongly) my students in one of my
        > sections for not reading their textbook and not studying for their
        > exam. I'm seriously thinking about included a list of "expectations"
        > for future students, which would be part of my syllabus. (I would
        > also include a list of what they should expect from me.) Has anyone
        > done this before? If so, what did you include? (Please note I'm not
        > talking about an "Honor Code," but what I expect from them.)
        >
        > Thanks so much,
        >
        > Monica Bellas
        >
        > Cerritos College
        >
        > Norwalk, CA
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >

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