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RE: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations

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  • Johnson, Ellen C. K.
    Hi All! I go over the syllabus on the first day and apprise students of the workload in the class. This term, several weeks later, I gave a syllabus quiz (that
    Message 1 of 34 , Nov 2, 2009
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      Hi All!
      I go over the syllabus on the first day and apprise students of the workload in the class. This term, several weeks later, I gave a syllabus quiz (that I warned them I would give). Half failed. No one got an A.
      Ellen Johnson
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      Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:24 AM
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      Subject: RE: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations



      Thanks, Lloyd for your comments. I spend the first day of class going
      over the syllabus and I tell them that they have to do work and so do I.
      This is partly in response to a student who complained, "You don't know
      what it's like to have a job!" You wonder what some of them think we
      do!

      We are required to have students sign and turn in a statement "I have
      read and understand the syllabus..." What we find is that they sign and
      turn in the form without having read and understood the syllabus. L

      Cheers?

      Dianne

      Dianne Lynn Chidester, Assistant Professor

      Anthropology & Sociology

      co-Advisor, Alpha Zeta Sigma/Phi Theta Kappa

      Greenville Technical College

      508 S. Pleasantburg Dr.

      Greenville, SC 29607

      864-250-8729

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    • Monica Bellas
      I didn t get a chance earlier to thank everyone for your suggestions. I am incorporating a few ideas for my syllabus, and will also be speaking to them the
      Message 34 of 34 , Dec 20, 2009
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        I didn't get a chance earlier to thank everyone for your suggestions. I am incorporating a few ideas for my syllabus, and will also be speaking to them the first day of class about how I managed to get through college despite marriage, two kids, and working.

        Thanks again!

        Monica Bellas

        Cerritos College

        Norwalk, CA




        To: SACC-L@yahoogroups.com
        From: lloyd.miller@...
        Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:02:34 -0500
        Subject: Re: [SACC-L] Suggestions for student/prof expectations





        Monica,

        I did almost the identical thing some years ago (I retired in 2000).
        I scolded the entire class for a total of about 15 minutes, then
        walked out, telling them that if they wanted to talk to me, I'd be in
        my office for the rest of the class hour. I guess they were somewhat
        stunned; the few who did come by said as much and something to the
        effect of, "Gosh, we didn't know you cared that much!"

        So in subsequent syllabi, I included a section of what I expected of
        them (courtesy toward me and each other, attentiveness, preparation
        for class--I can't remember it all, but something like if you're not
        going to at least show good student behavior, don't come to class. I
        offered extra credit for good attendance). They could expect from me
        that I would also be prepared for class, that I would grade and return
        to them promptly tests and other assignments. I would show them the
        respect due them and treat them fairly and equitably; again, I can't
        remember all I had, because in later years I changed my message to
        them somewhat, but kept the same intent and spirit.

        I will send you a pdf of several pages of a syllabus by separate email
        because the listserv doesn't accept attachments. One item on it is
        titled, "Some Characteristics of Successful Students" that I got from
        a colleague in psychology. It presents good student behavior to them
        impersonally as a study rather than as a direct exhortation from me to
        them. I'll also send you a pdf of Tom Wayman's delightful poem, "Did
        I Miss Anything?" that we reprinted in SACC Notes, Vol. 12, No. 2 2006
        (in case you didn't save all your issues of SACC Notes in gold-
        embossed, leather-bound volumes). :)

        Lloyd

        On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Monica Bellas wrote:

        >
        > I have a question which I'm sure the many experts on the listserv
        > can answer. I just scolded (very strongly) my students in one of my
        > sections for not reading their textbook and not studying for their
        > exam. I'm seriously thinking about included a list of "expectations"
        > for future students, which would be part of my syllabus. (I would
        > also include a list of what they should expect from me.) Has anyone
        > done this before? If so, what did you include? (Please note I'm not
        > talking about an "Honor Code," but what I expect from them.)
        >
        > Thanks so much,
        >
        > Monica Bellas
        >
        > Cerritos College
        >
        > Norwalk, CA
        >
        >
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