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RE: [Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice] New poll for Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice

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  • Hobbs, Andrew F (HBS)
    Without trying to make this a religious discussion, I believe commandment is a word usually reserved for an instruction from an all-knowing and all-powerful
    Message 1 of 225 , Jan 22, 2013

      Without trying to make this a religious discussion, I believe commandment is a word usually reserved for an instruction from an all-knowing and all-powerful being, i.e. God, that tell the adherents, i.e. us, those things that are to be strictly observed in our behavior.  All of them are based on his knowledge and wisdom and are primarily intended for the benefit of those adherents, one of which is the promotion of love among those adherents.  The adherents do not always know why a specific commandment is given, but trust that the divine being they worship “knows best.”

       

      Given that meaning, it would seem that for one man, regardless of his knowledge and experience, to set forth commandments on his own for other men to follow, is at the very least presumptuous.

       

      I’m pretty sure Dr. Bill was trying to convey the “essential” or “strict observance” aspects of these principles by applying commandment to the secular activity of root cause analysis.  He would not be the first to do so in a profession or area of expertise.

       

      Although I personally would not use commandment simply because of how I usually use the word, I certainly can see why Bill chose that word and take absolutely no offense whatsoever at his use of it because I believe I understand his point and objective in trying to develop such a list as those things that a rootician should strictly observe when doing a root cause analysis.

       

      (I hope that wasn’t too long winded.)  Thank you Bill for trying to help us all to be better at what we do.

       

      Andy Hobbs

      Issues Management Specialist for UPF Project

      (  office: 574-0812

       

      From: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arsenault, Gerry
      Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:49 AM
      To: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice] New poll for Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice

       

       

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      Dr Bill,

      My understanding is that typically commandments are founded or built on principles and that principles are founded on or arise out of culture and the sense of morality. Commandments and pronciples are inextricably intertwined, but are both very distinct from each other.

      For example, the Mosaic law including the ten commandments are founded on the principle of brotherly love.

       

      I have to answer FALSE to the poll question as written.

       

      G.

       

      From: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:20 AM
      To: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice] New poll for Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice

       

       


      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
      Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group:

      All "commandments" are "principles", but not all principles are commandments. (E.G., Archimedes' Principle is not a commandment.)

      o TRUE
      o FALSE

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    • Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group: When compliance would have prevented the event or greatly
      Message 225 of 225 , Nov 27, 2013
        Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
        Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group:

        When compliance would have prevented the event or greatly limited its severity the regulatory agency should issue "Compliance Alerts."

        When compliance would not have prevented the event or greatly limited its severity the regulatory agency should issue "Safety Alerts."

        o Strongly Agree
        o Agree
        o Neither Agree nor Disagree
        o Disagree
        o Strongly Disagree


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