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  • Irene Hahn
    Unfortunately, the jstor links are not accessible! Irene ... From: nemesis eudaimonos To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 22, 2005
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      Unfortunately, the jstor links are not accessible!

      Irene
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: nemesis eudaimonos
      To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:14 PM
      Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat


      Just in case you want to post on the Ancient/Classical History forum about
      this....

      Because when About was a Primedia company "they" got to decide what was
      what, and Ancient/Classical History was awarded an article on Belisarius,
      Justinian and Belisarius are okay for the Ancient/Classical History site at
      About.com.

      Justinian is considered the last of the Roman and the first of the Byzantine
      emperors. According to the article below, it was with Justinian that the
      fiction of a united Mediterranean Roman empire ended. So Justinian is an
      acceptable alternative to Gibbon's 476
      A.D.-ousting-of-Romulus-Augustulus-by-Odoacer Fall of Rome.

      Justinian and the Historian Procopius
      J. A. S. Evans
      Greece & Rome, 2nd Ser., Vol. 17, No. 2. (Oct., 1970), pp. 218-223.
      Stable URL:
      http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0017-3835%28197010%292%3A17%3A2%3C218%3AJATHP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0


      The following title looked interesting, but I haven't read it:

      The Values of a Classical Education: Satirical Elements in Robert Graves's
      Claudius Novels
      Philip Burton
      The Review of English Studies > New Series, Vol. 46, No. 182 (May, 1995),
      pp. 191-218
      Stable URL:
      http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0034-6551%28199505%292%3A46%3A182%3C191%3ATVOACE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6


      N.S. Gill

      About Guide to Ancient/Classical History
      http://ancienthistory.about.com




      >From: Irene Hahn <irenesbooks@...>
      >Reply-To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
      >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:39:59 -0400
      >
      >I'm not sure.
      >This, strictly speaking, falls under "Medieval History," so you might pose
      >your question to the Medieval History Forum:
      >http://historymedren.about.com/mpboards.htm
      >Irene
      >Roman History Reading Group
      >http://romanhistorybooksandmore.freeservers.com
      >Member of Literature Reading Circle
      >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiteratureReadingCircle/
      >Cohost, Ancient Classical History Forum
      >http://ancienthistory.about.com/mpboards.htm
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: jacklifton@...
      > To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
      > Cc: anoyer@...
      > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:29 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
      >
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 10/22/2005 12:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
      > irenesbooks@... writes:
      >
      > http://romanhistorybooksandmore.freeservers.com/booklist2.htm
      >
      >
      >
      > When did the office of Consul finally lapse? It started with a Brutus
      >right
      > after the expulsion of the Etruscan "kings" from Rome. If Belisarius
      >held the
      > office then it had been in existence for more than a thousand years at
      >the
      > time. I personally believe that the ancient Romans had a great regard
      >for their
      > traditions and that their chosen Fuehrer who Hollywood has dubbed the
      > Emperor by appropriating the most acceptable of the terms used in the
      >modern period
      > for an absolute ruler put in place and held in place by the military was
      > more likely to consider himself the Chief Curule Magistrate and holder
      >of both
      > the Tribunican Power and Consular Imperium. Note that the most reliable
      >sign
      > of the Senate's appointment to the highest office was the grant of
      >Tribunican
      > Power, i.e., the power to over ride the Senate, itself, in the name of
      >the
      > popular assembly! By the time of Belisarius, and, I think, well before,
      >the
      > offcie of Consul was a grant by the "Emperor" for the purpose of an
      >overall
      > sub-imperitorial army command.
      >
      > Jack Lifton
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • nemesis eudaimonos
      You can find the article on Jstor, though, using the information. It seems a very interesting article that I haven t yet finished. I really like this period. I
      Message 2 of 7 , Oct 23, 2005
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        You can find the article on Jstor, though, using the information. It seems a
        very interesting article that I haven't yet finished. I really like this
        period. I hope I have time to read/join discussion.

        N.S. Gill

        About Guide to Ancient/Classical History
        http://ancienthistory.about.com




        >From: Irene Hahn <irenesbooks@...>
        >Reply-To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        >To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
        >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:06:06 -0400
        >
        >Unfortunately, the jstor links are not accessible!
        >
        >Irene
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nemesis eudaimonos
        > To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:14 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
        >
        >
        > Just in case you want to post on the Ancient/Classical History forum
        >about
        > this....
        >
        > Because when About was a Primedia company "they" got to decide what was
        > what, and Ancient/Classical History was awarded an article on
        >Belisarius,
        > Justinian and Belisarius are okay for the Ancient/Classical History site
        >at
        > About.com.
        >
        > Justinian is considered the last of the Roman and the first of the
        >Byzantine
        > emperors. According to the article below, it was with Justinian that the
        > fiction of a united Mediterranean Roman empire ended. So Justinian is an
        > acceptable alternative to Gibbon's 476
        > A.D.-ousting-of-Romulus-Augustulus-by-Odoacer Fall of Rome.
        >
        > Justinian and the Historian Procopius
        > J. A. S. Evans
        > Greece & Rome, 2nd Ser., Vol. 17, No. 2. (Oct., 1970), pp. 218-223.
        > Stable URL:
        >
        >http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0017-3835%28197010%292%3A17%3A2%3C218%3AJATHP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0
        >
        >
        > The following title looked interesting, but I haven't read it:
        >
        > The Values of a Classical Education: Satirical Elements in Robert
        >Graves's
        > Claudius Novels
        > Philip Burton
        > The Review of English Studies > New Series, Vol. 46, No. 182 (May,
        >1995),
        > pp. 191-218
        > Stable URL:
        >
        >http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0034-6551%28199505%292%3A46%3A182%3C191%3ATVOACE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6
        >
        >
        > N.S. Gill
        >
        > About Guide to Ancient/Classical History
        > http://ancienthistory.about.com
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >From: Irene Hahn <irenesbooks@...>
        > >Reply-To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        > >Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
        > >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:39:59 -0400
        > >
        > >I'm not sure.
        > >This, strictly speaking, falls under "Medieval History," so you might
        >pose
        > >your question to the Medieval History Forum:
        > >http://historymedren.about.com/mpboards.htm
        > >Irene
        > >Roman History Reading Group
        > >http://romanhistorybooksandmore.freeservers.com
        > >Member of Literature Reading Circle
        > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiteratureReadingCircle/
        > >Cohost, Ancient Classical History Forum
        > >http://ancienthistory.about.com/mpboards.htm
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: jacklifton@...
        > > To: Roman_History_Books@yahoogroups.com
        > > Cc: anoyer@...
        > > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:29 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [Roman_History_Books] Next Book Chat
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > In a message dated 10/22/2005 12:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
        > > irenesbooks@... writes:
        > >
        > > http://romanhistorybooksandmore.freeservers.com/booklist2.htm
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > When did the office of Consul finally lapse? It started with a
        >Brutus
        > >right
        > > after the expulsion of the Etruscan "kings" from Rome. If Belisarius
        > >held the
        > > office then it had been in existence for more than a thousand years
        >at
        > >the
        > > time. I personally believe that the ancient Romans had a great
        >regard
        > >for their
        > > traditions and that their chosen Fuehrer who Hollywood has dubbed
        >the
        > > Emperor by appropriating the most acceptable of the terms used in
        >the
        > >modern period
        > > for an absolute ruler put in place and held in place by the military
        >was
        > > more likely to consider himself the Chief Curule Magistrate and
        >holder
        > >of both
        > > the Tribunican Power and Consular Imperium. Note that the most
        >reliable
        > >sign
        > > of the Senate's appointment to the highest office was the grant of
        > >Tribunican
        > > Power, i.e., the power to over ride the Senate, itself, in the name
        >of
        > >the
        > > popular assembly! By the time of Belisarius, and, I think, well
        >before,
        > >the
        > > offcie of Consul was a grant by the "Emperor" for the purpose of an
        > >overall
        > > sub-imperitorial army command.
        > >
        > > Jack Lifton
        > >
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > SPONSORED LINKS Writing book Writing a book Ancient rome tour
        > > Historical fiction Historical fiction books Ancient rome art
        > >
        > >
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        > > a.. Visit your group "Roman_History_Books" on the web.
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        > >
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        > >
        > >
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        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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