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  • Bob and Barbara
    A little after reading Clints hopeful post, UPS delivered my Robo.. 2 Huge boxes, with 1 weighing a whopping 102 pounds!! Good thing he s a Big guy. My UPS
    Message 1 of 29 , Jul 27, 2005
      A little after reading Clints hopeful post, UPS delivered my Robo.. 2
      Huge boxes, with 1 weighing a whopping 102 pounds!! Good thing he's a
      Big guy. My UPS driver asked me what was sooo heavy in there? When I
      told him a robotic lawnmower, he got this Huh?? look on his face...
      then looked at my yard. LOL
      Ofcourse he had to know all about it, so we stood out in the 101
      degree heat for about 10 mins talking, then he said "Sure be nice It
      cutting your grass on a day like today!! over 100 degrees and heat
      index of 115 degrees" I had to agreeee... hehe

      Speaking of "Heat"? Does anyone know the heat limitations of Robo?
      Docked out in the sun? Charging in sun/heat? Cutting operations in
      sun/heat? The Manual from what I read says nothing about this?
      Should I think about making a canopy to block direct sun on Robo?
      Robo is dark green and on our dark colored Navigator and F-150 you can
      almost fry an egg!! Burns your hand..
      Would this type of weather be detrimental to Robo or battery? How
      about humidity too since it's like a steamroom out there? Hate for
      Robo to do a meltdown...

      Thx,
      Bob
    • Dan Barclay
      Bob, I had trouble with my rl1000 s backing out of the dock if they were in direct sun on a hot day. I reported the problem with one mower and when I got my
      Message 2 of 29 , Jul 27, 2005
        Bob,

        I had trouble with my rl1000's backing out of the dock if they were in
        direct sun on a hot day. I reported the problem with one mower and when I
        got my second it did the same thing. The mowers would literally back out of
        the dock a foot or so to disconnect from the charger.

        I sent one in for them to look at and test. They changed some software on
        the mower and I just got it back yesterday. They say they've fixed it.
        Their intent is that you should be able to leave the mower out, on any day,
        in the sun, and it should work fine. I'll let you know how that works, but
        based on their response so far I think they're serious about making it a
        non-issue.

        If you start poking around on the menu you'll find they do keep track of
        internal temperatures, and there is a "charging temperature". I don't know
        the change they made, but I'd guess they stop or reduce charging when the
        temp gets hot enough to cause a problem. The "undock" should be an absolute
        last resort. I'd expect charging times to go up in extreme conditions in
        order to save the battery/mower.

        In the above comment, how they're doing it is speculation on my part. That
        they're following up to get it solved is fact.

        Dan



        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RoboMower@yahoogroups.com] On
        > Behalf Of Bob and Barbara
        > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:46 PM
        > To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [RoboMower] My Robo is here!!
        >
        > A little after reading Clints hopeful post, UPS delivered my Robo.. 2
        > Huge boxes, with 1 weighing a whopping 102 pounds!! Good thing he's a
        > Big guy. My UPS driver asked me what was sooo heavy in there? When I
        > told him a robotic lawnmower, he got this Huh?? look on his face...
        > then looked at my yard. LOL
        > Ofcourse he had to know all about it, so we stood out in the 101
        > degree heat for about 10 mins talking, then he said "Sure be nice It
        > cutting your grass on a day like today!! over 100 degrees and heat
        > index of 115 degrees" I had to agreeee... hehe
        >
        > Speaking of "Heat"? Does anyone know the heat limitations of Robo?
        > Docked out in the sun? Charging in sun/heat? Cutting operations in
        > sun/heat? The Manual from what I read says nothing about this?
        > Should I think about making a canopy to block direct sun on Robo?
        > Robo is dark green and on our dark colored Navigator and F-150 you can
        > almost fry an egg!! Burns your hand..
        > Would this type of weather be detrimental to Robo or battery? How
        > about humidity too since it's like a steamroom out there? Hate for
        > Robo to do a meltdown...
        >
        > Thx,
        > Bob
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • IGGY & Svetlana
        Temps should not be a problem, nothing is mentioned about it in the manual. Batteries will last actually I think longer in higher temps than in cold temps. I
        Message 3 of 29 , Jul 27, 2005
          Temps should not be a problem, nothing is mentioned about it in the manual.
          Batteries will last actually I think longer in higher temps than in cold
          temps. I would build a canopy or have an umbrella stuck in the ground to
          protect RL1000 from elements anyway and heat most likely. There was a case
          of someone reporting RL1000 would dislodge from the charging station in the
          heat.

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        • Bob and Barbara
          yea, nothing in manual.. Actually batteries will last longer in medium temps. From experince when I owned one of the largest limousine services in Nova/DC area
          Message 4 of 29 , Jul 27, 2005
            yea, nothing in manual..
            Actually batteries will last longer in medium temps. From experince
            when I owned one of the largest limousine services in Nova/DC area up
            until a few years ago, I found that extreme cold or extreme heat will
            do a battery in. However, We replaced more batterys in the summer
            than any other time. They would roach without hardly any warning. I
            kept a full stock of Interstates' most powerfull batteries for every
            type of limo, van, Navigator and buses I had in the fleet.

            I agree with the canopy to keep Robo from the baking sun etc. Anybody
            have any input on their RL1000 sitting out?

            Electronics gets real tempermental with high heat and I can see where
            it might undock. All the limos/some buses had control circuit boards
            in them for everything from AC Temps, lights/video system to the
            elaborate fiber optics systems. During the summer extreme heat they
            would go haywire. After a full checkout when the vehicle returned to
            our garage, everything checked fine. I finally put a spray can of
            circuit board coolant in each drivers compartment and a couple
            squirts later things were fine again.
            Thx,
            Bob
            "Making Your Fantasy a Reality"
            Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic Attire & Accessories
            Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
            (if you ever need any help in this department.. wink)


            --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "IGGY & Svetlana"
            <iggyandsvetlana@e...> wrote:
            > Temps should not be a problem, nothing is mentioned about it in
            the
            manual.
            > Batteries will last actually I think longer in higher temps than
            in
            cold
            > temps. I would build a canopy or have an umbrella stuck in the
            ground to
            > protect RL1000 from elements anyway and heat most likely. There
            was
            a case
            > of someone reporting RL1000 would dislodge from the charging
            station
            in the
            > heat.
            >
          • Austin Morgan
            I do not have any covering over my Green 1000 and have not had any difficulties. I do plan to build a dog house style enclosure due to the fact that I wish to
            Message 5 of 29 , Jul 27, 2005
              I do not have any covering over my Green 1000 and have not had any
              difficulties. I do plan to build a dog house style enclosure due to the
              fact that I wish to place a heater in it for the winter and protect it
              from the sun during the summer. Kansas City is not the hottest place on
              earth on the other hand but your luck may very.

              Austin Morgan

              Bob and Barbara wrote:
              > yea, nothing in manual..
              > Actually batteries will last longer in medium temps. From experince
              > when I owned one of the largest limousine services in Nova/DC area up
              > until a few years ago, I found that extreme cold or extreme heat will
              > do a battery in. However, We replaced more batterys in the summer
              > than any other time. They would roach without hardly any warning. I
              > kept a full stock of Interstates' most powerfull batteries for every
              > type of limo, van, Navigator and buses I had in the fleet.
              >
              > I agree with the canopy to keep Robo from the baking sun etc. Anybody
              > have any input on their RL1000 sitting out?
              >
              > Electronics gets real tempermental with high heat and I can see where
              > it might undock. All the limos/some buses had control circuit boards
              > in them for everything from AC Temps, lights/video system to the
              > elaborate fiber optics systems. During the summer extreme heat they
              > would go haywire. After a full checkout when the vehicle returned to
              > our garage, everything checked fine. I finally put a spray can of
              > circuit board coolant in each drivers compartment and a couple
              > squirts later things were fine again.
              > Thx,
              > Bob
              > "Making Your Fantasy a Reality"
              > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic Attire & Accessories
              > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
              > (if you ever need any help in this department.. wink)
              >
              >
              > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "IGGY & Svetlana"
              > <iggyandsvetlana@e...> wrote:
              >> Temps should not be a problem, nothing is mentioned about it in
              > the
              > manual.
              >> Batteries will last actually I think longer in higher temps than
              > in
              > cold
              >> temps. I would build a canopy or have an umbrella stuck in the
              > ground to
              >> protect RL1000 from elements anyway and heat most likely. There
              > was
              > a case
              >> of someone reporting RL1000 would dislodge from the charging
              > station
              > in the
              >> heat.
              >>
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              >
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            • Clint D
              Bob, though I haven t had time to layout your yard, here s an example of exactly what I m talking about: http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=59 ...
              Message 6 of 29 , Jul 28, 2005
                Bob, though I haven't had time to layout your yard,
                here's an example of exactly what I'm talking about:

                http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=59




                --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                > yea, nothing in manual..
                > Actually batteries will last longer in medium
                > temps. From experince
                > when I owned one of the largest limousine services
                > in Nova/DC area up
                > until a few years ago, I found that extreme cold or
                > extreme heat will
                > do a battery in. However, We replaced more batterys
                > in the summer
                > than any other time. They would roach without hardly
                > any warning. I
                > kept a full stock of Interstates' most powerfull
                > batteries for every
                > type of limo, van, Navigator and buses I had in the
                > fleet.
                >
                > I agree with the canopy to keep Robo from the baking
                > sun etc. Anybody
                > have any input on their RL1000 sitting out?
                >
                > Electronics gets real tempermental with high heat
                > and I can see where
                > it might undock. All the limos/some buses had
                > control circuit boards
                > in them for everything from AC Temps, lights/video
                > system to the
                > elaborate fiber optics systems. During the summer
                > extreme heat they
                > would go haywire. After a full checkout when the
                > vehicle returned to
                > our garage, everything checked fine. I finally put a
                > spray can of
                > circuit board coolant in each drivers compartment
                > and a couple
                > squirts later things were fine again.
                > Thx,
                > Bob
                > "Making Your Fantasy a Reality"
                > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                > Attire & Accessories
                > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                > (if you ever need any help in this department..
                > wink)
                >
                >
                > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "IGGY & Svetlana"
                > <iggyandsvetlana@e...> wrote:
                > > Temps should not be a problem, nothing is
                > mentioned about it in
                > the
                > manual.
                > > Batteries will last actually I think longer in
                > higher temps than
                > in
                > cold
                > > temps. I would build a canopy or have an umbrella
                > stuck in the
                > ground to
                > > protect RL1000 from elements anyway and heat most
                > likely. There
                > was
                > a case
                > > of someone reporting RL1000 would dislodge from
                > the charging
                > station
                > in the
                > > heat.
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >

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              • Bob and Barbara
                Clint, Looks like that guy has about as much to cut as I do. I can see how a tunnel is made now, but looks like robo cuts the whole perimeter every time? Or
                Message 7 of 29 , Jul 28, 2005
                  Clint, Looks like that guy has about as much to cut as I do. I can
                  see how a tunnel is made now, but looks like robo cuts the whole
                  perimeter every time? Or how does it know to only cut one zone?
                  Would I have to lay out my whole entire yard with perimeter wire
                  right at the begining? Or can I just do one zone to even see if this
                  will work.
                  From what people here are telling me, and what I'm reading all over
                  elsewhere, I'm begining to think this won't work at all.
                  Example:
                  Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs- Seems like a long time?
                  Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours.. specs- about par I think
                  Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided by 1500sq ft/PerHr
                  equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say avg. 3.5 hours(battery
                  charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges, allowing for 24 hrs of
                  charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just charging, not counting the
                  18.8 hours still required to cut the grass. ????????

                  Am I looking at this right? If not please help me here.
                  If so, I think it sux that STC lied to me twice!! And told Costco
                  what to put in their description.(I checked, they got all the info
                  from FR/STC).
                  Thx,
                  Bob

                  "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                  > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                  > Attire & Accessories
                  > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                  > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                  > (if you ever need any help in this department. wink)



                  --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                  > Bob, though I haven't had time to layout your yard,
                  > here's an example of exactly what I'm talking about:
                  >
                  > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=59
                  >
                  >
                • Clint D
                  First of all 1500sqft per hour is the same stats they were using back in the RL500 days. Surely that can t be right. Second of all 1/2 acre per charge isn t
                  Message 8 of 29 , Jul 28, 2005
                    First of all 1500sqft per hour is the same stats they
                    were using back in the RL500 days. Surely that can't
                    be right. Second of all 1/2 acre per charge isn't
                    right either.

                    The RL500 can mow 5000sqt per 2-3 hr period... this is
                    fact because I own one. (Of course obsticles and etc
                    can slow it down but you get the point.... my largest
                    zone is 6000sqft with the RL500 and it mowed it just
                    fine in 2 hours if maintained well and 3 full hours if
                    I let it get high.)

                    The RL800 improved cutting 20% over the RL500... which
                    brings that one to about 6000sqft per zone. There was
                    another improvement done in the 2004 RL1000 and RL850
                    over the RL800 which I estimate as another 20% which
                    brings it up to around 7200sqft per zone... but to
                    stay safe, I'll bump it back down to 6500. Surely the
                    latest improvement is at LEAST 20% but that's still an
                    estimate. But if it is 20% the Green ones should mow
                    around 7800sqft per 2-3 hour period.

                    I've talked with a FR guy... who knows his stuff and
                    he said that the docking zone can be up to 1/2 acre
                    but be prepared to run it a few conscutive times....
                    hmmm 7800x3 = 1/2 acre. I think my estimates are
                    probably about right if not, I'm underestimating.

                    Having said all that, I think you're safe making the
                    docking zone 1/2 acre and the others around it 7500 or
                    slightly more.

                    In order to test this, you'll need to wire at LEAST
                    two zones. One 1/2 acre docking zone plus an
                    additional. When programming the RL1000 there's a mode
                    in which you program entry points. During this stage
                    the mower will trace the perimeter wire and you stop
                    it in the entry zones - thus telling it how far to
                    travel along the perimeter wire to enter the zone. You
                    can read up on this part in the manual.

                    So when you're programming you can say Entry B,
                    Wednesday @ 4pm. It'll undock and travel along the
                    perimeter wire for a defined distanced...which is
                    enough to lead it into your zone B and it'll turn
                    inward and begin to mow. Being that your tunnels are
                    24", the chances of it crossing into another zone is
                    virtually eliminated... but still about a 2% chance I
                    would guess. I doubt it ever happens.

                    You should be able to mow about 6 times a week... thus
                    covering your entire yard once every 1.5 times a week
                    at the worse. Just keep in mind that your yard wont be
                    jungle if it doesn't get mowed once a week. :)


                    --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                    > Clint, Looks like that guy has about as much to cut
                    > as I do. I can
                    > see how a tunnel is made now, but looks like robo
                    > cuts the whole
                    > perimeter every time? Or how does it know to only
                    > cut one zone?
                    > Would I have to lay out my whole entire yard with
                    > perimeter wire
                    > right at the begining? Or can I just do one zone to
                    > even see if this
                    > will work.
                    > From what people here are telling me, and what I'm
                    > reading all over
                    > elsewhere, I'm begining to think this won't work at
                    > all.
                    > Example:
                    > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs- Seems
                    > like a long time?
                    > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours.. specs-
                    > about par I think
                    > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided by
                    > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                    > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say avg.
                    > 3.5 hours(battery
                    > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges, allowing
                    > for 24 hrs of
                    > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just charging, not
                    > counting the
                    > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass. ????????
                    >
                    > Am I looking at this right? If not please help me
                    > here.
                    > If so, I think it sux that STC lied to me twice!!
                    > And told Costco
                    > what to put in their description.(I checked, they
                    > got all the info
                    > from FR/STC).
                    > Thx,
                    > Bob
                    >
                    > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                    > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                    > > Attire & Accessories
                    > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                    > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                    > > (if you ever need any help in this department.
                    > wink)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                    > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                    > > Bob, though I haven't had time to layout your
                    > yard,
                    > > here's an example of exactly what I'm talking
                    > about:
                    > >
                    > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=59
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >




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                  • IGGY & Svetlana
                    ... From: Bob and Barbara ... You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days per week of mowing allowing for some bad weather when
                    Message 9 of 29 , Jul 28, 2005
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Bob and Barbara" <eventtravelers@...>
                      > Example:
                      > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs- Seems like a long time?
                      > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours.. specs- about par I think
                      > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided by 1500sq ft/PerHr
                      > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say avg. 3.5 hours(battery
                      > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges, allowing for 24 hrs of
                      > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just charging, not counting the
                      > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass. ????????




                      You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days per week of mowing allowing
                      for some bad weather when you want to stop the mower. I'd recommend that you
                      program the mower for mowing at the time when you are at home - in the
                      evening before you get night dew and on the weekends after the dew is dried
                      up.

                      You will need to program and teach the mower "entry" points for each zone.
                      Each entry point must be falling into the new zone. Originally "entry"
                      points were designed to allow mower to enter the large "charging" zone from
                      several points to allow fro better coverage on one zone. Nothing in the
                      manual tell

                      "Turning Your Home Dream into Reality"

                      Sincerely Yours,

                      IGGY Dybal - RE/MAX - Northern Virginia & Kansas City
                      Direct Office: 703-944-9095 Direct Toll-free: 1-877-550-4449
                      Fax toll-free: 1-866-855-3154
                      E-mail: iggykc@...
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                    • Clint D
                      Isn t 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500? Certainly the RL1000 should be better than this. My RL500 can cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already supasses
                      Message 10 of 29 , Jul 28, 2005
                        Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500? Certainly
                        the RL1000 should be better than this. My RL500 can
                        cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already supasses
                        1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence mow..
                        cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a full cut
                        if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys are
                        calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I can't add.
                        Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                        Robomower Forums
                        http://forums.robomower.biz



                        --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@...>
                        wrote:

                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Bob and Barbara" <eventtravelers@...>
                        > > Example:
                        > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs- Seems
                        > like a long time?
                        > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours.. specs-
                        > about par I think
                        > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided by
                        > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                        > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say avg.
                        > 3.5 hours(battery
                        > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges, allowing
                        > for 24 hrs of
                        > > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just charging,
                        > not counting the
                        > > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass.
                        > ????????
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days per
                        > week of mowing allowing
                        > for some bad weather when you want to stop the
                        > mower. I'd recommend that you
                        > program the mower for mowing at the time when you
                        > are at home - in the
                        > evening before you get night dew and on the weekends
                        > after the dew is dried
                        > up.
                        >
                        > You will need to program and teach the mower "entry"
                        > points for each zone.
                        > Each entry point must be falling into the new zone.
                        > Originally "entry"
                        > points were designed to allow mower to enter the
                        > large "charging" zone from
                        > several points to allow fro better coverage on one
                        > zone. Nothing in the
                        > manual tell
                        >
                        > "Turning Your Home Dream into Reality"
                        >
                        > Sincerely Yours,
                        >
                        > IGGY Dybal - RE/MAX - Northern Virginia & Kansas
                        > City
                        > Direct Office: 703-944-9095 Direct Toll-free:
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                      • Bob and Barbara
                        Clint, you can add and I can add, It s just that we don t know the correct # s to add. Frankly, I don t think anyone does? (guessing?) I don t even think FR
                        Message 11 of 29 , Jul 29, 2005
                          Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just that we don't know the
                          correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think anyone does? (guessing?)
                          I don't even think FR did any actual tests on this thing.
                          I did finally call a dealer(told not to say name here) supposed
                          highly versed, educated and experinced in FR Robomowers. With what I
                          was told I am going to "push it" and test wire the docking zone at
                          8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does. If it works good, I'll
                          expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my drawing layout in file
                          sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break the 17000 into 2 more
                          zones by way of "tunnels, pathways, hallways" giving me 3 days of
                          cutting operations.
                          I also found out that I don't even need to wire all my inside
                          obsticles with perimter wire since I thought Robo would follow the
                          wire and edge along these also. Not the case. That will save me a
                          lot of time wiring and stakes!!

                          After some thought I did finally decide to unpack Robo and has been
                          on charge since yesterday afternoon. Ironically when I went to pull
                          the battery pack out, I guess during shipping the battery case cover
                          had come loose from case. After seeing what was in there, Do you
                          know those 2 batteries are nothing more than 12v motorcycle/lawn
                          tractor batteries? They are only 12v 17ah capacity.. A motorcycle I
                          had took the same but was 20ah and I think you can get stonger ones
                          too. Has anybody here looked into putting more "juice" in Robo and
                          calculated the "run time difference" 17ah vs 20ah or higher?

                          Robo don't like being touched/moved!!!
                          After I plugged in the charger in the garage with Robo on the
                          floor, I noticed the wire was stretched and the transformer was near
                          the edge of the work bench. I didn't want it to fall so I went to
                          move(roll) Robo back closer. When I did it's yellow light (looks
                          like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then went ding ding a
                          couple times and then went silent? What did it do? I do? LOL Anybody?

                          Bob
                          "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                          Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                          Attire & Accessories
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                          --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                          > Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500? Certainly
                          > the RL1000 should be better than this. My RL500 can
                          > cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already supasses
                          > 1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence mow..
                          > cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a full cut
                          > if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys are
                          > calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I can't add.
                          > Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                          >
                          > Robomower Forums
                          > http://forums.robomower.biz
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@e...>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Bob and Barbara" <eventtravelers@a...>
                          > > > Example:
                          > > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs- Seems
                          > > like a long time?
                          > > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours.. specs-
                          > > about par I think
                          > > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided by
                          > > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                          > > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say avg.
                          > > 3.5 hours(battery
                          > > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges, allowing
                          > > for 24 hrs of
                          > > > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just charging,
                          > > not counting the
                          > > > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass.
                          > > ????????
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days per
                          > > week of mowing allowing
                          > > for some bad weather when you want to stop the
                          > > mower. I'd recommend that you
                          > > program the mower for mowing at the time when you
                          > > are at home - in the
                          > > evening before you get night dew and on the weekends
                          > > after the dew is dried
                          > > up.
                          > >
                          > > You will need to program and teach the mower "entry"
                          > > points for each zone.
                          > > Each entry point must be falling into the new zone.
                          > > Originally "entry"
                          > > points were designed to allow mower to enter the
                          > > large "charging" zone from
                          > > several points to allow fro better coverage on one
                          > > zone. Nothing in the
                          > > manual tell
                          > >
                          > > "Turning Your Home Dream into Reality"
                          > >
                          > > Sincerely Yours,
                          > >
                          > > IGGY Dybal - RE/MAX - Northern Virginia & Kansas
                          > > City
                          > > Direct Office: 703-944-9095 Direct Toll-free:
                          > > 1-877-550-4449
                          > > Fax toll-free: 1-866-855-3154
                          > > E-mail: iggykc@e...
                          > > Instant Messenger: AIM - "iggylenexa", Yahoo -
                          > > "iggykc"
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
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                        • Clint D
                          Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR s won t release numbers to us for some reason... but if your test are accurate, we can at least get close. I would
                          Message 12 of 29 , Jul 29, 2005
                            Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's won't
                            release numbers to us for some reason... but if your
                            test are accurate, we can at least get close. I would
                            try it backwards... bigger zone first them make it
                            smaller. But that's up to you.

                            I don't think you caused any harm to the mower by
                            picking on it... and those batteries can be bought in
                            several places. Here's a thread with details:

                            http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21




                            --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                            > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just that we
                            > don't know the
                            > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think anyone
                            > does? (guessing?)
                            > I don't even think FR did any actual tests on this
                            > thing.
                            > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say name
                            > here) supposed
                            > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                            > Robomowers. With what I
                            > was told I am going to "push it" and test wire the
                            > docking zone at
                            > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does. If it
                            > works good, I'll
                            > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my drawing
                            > layout in file
                            > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break the 17000
                            > into 2 more
                            > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways, hallways" giving
                            > me 3 days of
                            > cutting operations.
                            > I also found out that I don't even need to wire all
                            > my inside
                            > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought Robo
                            > would follow the
                            > wire and edge along these also. Not the case. That
                            > will save me a
                            > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                            >
                            > After some thought I did finally decide to unpack
                            > Robo and has been
                            > on charge since yesterday afternoon. Ironically when
                            > I went to pull
                            > the battery pack out, I guess during shipping the
                            > battery case cover
                            > had come loose from case. After seeing what was in
                            > there, Do you
                            > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than 12v
                            > motorcycle/lawn
                            > tractor batteries? They are only 12v 17ah capacity..
                            > A motorcycle I
                            > had took the same but was 20ah and I think you can
                            > get stonger ones
                            > too. Has anybody here looked into putting more
                            > "juice" in Robo and
                            > calculated the "run time difference" 17ah vs 20ah or
                            > higher?
                            >
                            > Robo don't like being touched/moved!!!
                            > After I plugged in the charger in the garage with
                            > Robo on the
                            > floor, I noticed the wire was stretched and the
                            > transformer was near
                            > the edge of the work bench. I didn't want it to fall
                            > so I went to
                            > move(roll) Robo back closer. When I did it's yellow
                            > light (looks
                            > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then went
                            > ding ding a
                            > couple times and then went silent? What did it do? I
                            > do? LOL Anybody?
                            >
                            > Bob
                            > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                            > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                            > Attire & Accessories
                            > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                            > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                            > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                            > > Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500?
                            > Certainly
                            > > the RL1000 should be better than this. My RL500
                            > can
                            > > cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already
                            > supasses
                            > > 1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence
                            > mow..
                            > > cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a full
                            > cut
                            > > if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys are
                            > > calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I can't
                            > add.
                            > > Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                            > >
                            > > Robomower Forums
                            > > http://forums.robomower.biz
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@e...>
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: "Bob and Barbara" <eventtravelers@a...>
                            > > > > Example:
                            > > > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs-
                            > Seems
                            > > > like a long time?
                            > > > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours..
                            > specs-
                            > > > about par I think
                            > > > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided
                            > by
                            > > > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                            > > > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say
                            > avg.
                            > > > 3.5 hours(battery
                            > > > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges,
                            > allowing
                            > > > for 24 hrs of
                            > > > > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just
                            > charging,
                            > > > not counting the
                            > > > > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass.
                            > > > ????????
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days
                            > per
                            > > > week of mowing allowing
                            > > > for some bad weather when you want to stop the
                            > > > mower. I'd recommend that you
                            > > > program the mower for mowing at the time when
                            > you
                            > > > are at home - in the
                            > > > evening before you get night dew and on the
                            > weekends
                            > > > after the dew is dried
                            > > > up.
                            > > >
                            > > > You will need to program and teach the mower
                            > "entry"
                            > > > points for each zone.
                            > > > Each entry point must be falling into the new
                            > zone.
                            > > > Originally "entry"
                            > > > points were designed to allow mower to enter the
                            > > > large "charging" zone from
                            > > > several points to allow fro better coverage on
                            > one
                            > > > zone. Nothing in the
                            > > > manual tell
                            > > >
                            > > > "Turning Your Home Dream into Reality"
                            > > >
                            > > > Sincerely Yours,
                            > > >
                            > > > IGGY Dybal - RE/MAX - Northern Virginia & Kansas
                            > > > City
                            > > > Direct Office: 703-944-9095 Direct
                            > Toll-free:
                            > > > 1-877-550-4449
                            > > > Fax toll-free: 1-866-855-3154
                            > > > E-mail: iggykc@e...
                            > > > Instant Messenger: AIM - "iggylenexa", Yahoo -
                            > > > "iggykc"
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                          • Bob and Barbara
                            Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC originally told me and now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC was misinformed. Misinformed by Who?
                            Message 13 of 29 , Jul 29, 2005
                              Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC originally told me and
                              now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC was misinformed.
                              Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR land!!

                              I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier to go bigger first
                              and pull wire back to smaller, than to make splices by adding.

                              hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it up,,, but just
                              rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor. Then it squalked... Of
                              course leaning over it while rolling it, your face is right above
                              Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light and sounds etc. LOL

                              Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I thought 20ah eguals 15%
                              more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't FR use 20ah
                              batteries from the get go? If they are looking for improvements?

                              Bob
                              "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                              > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                              > Attire & Accessories
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                              --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                              > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's won't
                              > release numbers to us for some reason... but if your
                              > test are accurate, we can at least get close. I would
                              > try it backwards... bigger zone first them make it
                              > smaller. But that's up to you.
                              >
                              > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower by
                              > picking on it... and those batteries can be bought in
                              > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                              >
                              > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                              >
                              > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just that we
                              > > don't know the
                              > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think anyone
                              > > does? (guessing?)
                              > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests on this
                              > > thing.
                              > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say name
                              > > here) supposed
                              > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                              > > Robomowers. With what I
                              > > was told I am going to "push it" and test wire the
                              > > docking zone at
                              > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does. If it
                              > > works good, I'll
                              > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my drawing
                              > > layout in file
                              > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break the 17000
                              > > into 2 more
                              > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways, hallways" giving
                              > > me 3 days of
                              > > cutting operations.
                              > > I also found out that I don't even need to wire all
                              > > my inside
                              > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought Robo
                              > > would follow the
                              > > wire and edge along these also. Not the case. That
                              > > will save me a
                              > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                              > >
                              > > After some thought I did finally decide to unpack
                              > > Robo and has been
                              > > on charge since yesterday afternoon. Ironically when
                              > > I went to pull
                              > > the battery pack out, I guess during shipping the
                              > > battery case cover
                              > > had come loose from case. After seeing what was in
                              > > there, Do you
                              > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than 12v
                              > > motorcycle/lawn
                              > > tractor batteries? They are only 12v 17ah capacity..
                              > > A motorcycle I
                              > > had took the same but was 20ah and I think you can
                              > > get stonger ones
                              > > too. Has anybody here looked into putting more
                              > > "juice" in Robo and
                              > > calculated the "run time difference" 17ah vs 20ah or
                              > > higher?
                              > >
                              > > Robo don't like being touched/moved!!!
                              > > After I plugged in the charger in the garage with
                              > > Robo on the
                              > > floor, I noticed the wire was stretched and the
                              > > transformer was near
                              > > the edge of the work bench. I didn't want it to fall
                              > > so I went to
                              > > move(roll) Robo back closer. When I did it's yellow
                              > > light (looks
                              > > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then went
                              > > ding ding a
                              > > couple times and then went silent? What did it do? I
                              > > do? LOL Anybody?
                              > >
                              > > Bob
                              > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                              > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                              > > Attire & Accessories
                              > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                              > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                              > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                              > > > Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500?
                              > > Certainly
                              > > > the RL1000 should be better than this. My RL500
                              > > can
                              > > > cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already
                              > > supasses
                              > > > 1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence
                              > > mow..
                              > > > cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a full
                              > > cut
                              > > > if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys are
                              > > > calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I can't
                              > > add.
                              > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                              > > >
                              > > > Robomower Forums
                              > > > http://forums.robomower.biz
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@e...>
                              > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: "Bob and Barbara" <eventtravelers@a...>
                              > > > > > Example:
                              > > > > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs-
                              > > Seems
                              > > > > like a long time?
                              > > > > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours..
                              > > specs-
                              > > > > about par I think
                              > > > > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn) divided
                              > > by
                              > > > > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                              > > > > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets say
                              > > avg.
                              > > > > 3.5 hours(battery
                              > > > > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges,
                              > > allowing
                              > > > > for 24 hrs of
                              > > > > > charging, making it 5 1/2 days of just
                              > > charging,
                              > > > > not counting the
                              > > > > > 18.8 hours still required to cut the grass.
                              > > > > ????????
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > You have your ##s correct. I came up with 5 days
                              > > per
                              > > > > week of mowing allowing
                              > > > > for some bad weather when you want to stop the
                              > > > > mower. I'd recommend that you
                              > > > > program the mower for mowing at the time when
                              > > you
                              > > > > are at home - in the
                              > > > > evening before you get night dew and on the
                              > > weekends
                              > > > > after the dew is dried
                              > > > > up.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > You will need to program and teach the mower
                              > > "entry"
                              > > > > points for each zone.
                              > > > > Each entry point must be falling into the new
                              > > zone.
                              > > > > Originally "entry"
                              > > > > points were designed to allow mower to enter the
                              > > > > large "charging" zone from
                              > > > > several points to allow fro better coverage on
                              > > one
                              > > > > zone. Nothing in the
                              > > > > manual tell
                              > > > >
                              > > > > "Turning Your Home Dream into Reality"
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Sincerely Yours,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > IGGY Dybal - RE/MAX - Northern Virginia & Kansas
                              > > > > City
                              > > > > Direct Office: 703-944-9095 Direct
                              > > Toll-free:
                              > > > > 1-877-550-4449
                              > > > > Fax toll-free: 1-866-855-3154
                              > > > > E-mail: iggykc@e...
                              > > > > Instant Messenger: AIM - "iggylenexa", Yahoo -
                              > > > > "iggykc"
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
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                            • Dan Barclay
                              ... The mower has sensors all over. In particular it watches the front wheel off ground for safety, and the bumpers also have switches. I haven t tried
                              Message 14 of 29 , Jul 29, 2005
                                > When I did it's yellow light (looks
                                > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then went ding ding a
                                > couple times and then went silent? What did it do? I do? LOL Anybody?

                                The mower has sensors all over. In particular it watches the "front wheel
                                off ground" for safety, and the bumpers also have switches. I haven't tried
                                picking mine up when it's charging, but it may complain. Did you pick the
                                wheels off the ground to move it?

                                For safety I think it's recommended that you lift the battery out before you
                                raise the mower up. I don't like the blades exposed with power available,
                                so that's what I do.

                                Dan
                              • Clint D
                                Let us know how it goes. Yea I m pretty frustrated about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers state a ballpark square footage and I think it s only fair to
                                Message 15 of 29 , Jul 29, 2005
                                  Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty frustrated
                                  about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers state a
                                  ballpark square footage and I think it's only fair to
                                  at least release new ballparks for each mower if
                                  they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But that's
                                  my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will handle at
                                  least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then these
                                  improvements aren't that much to brag about if you'd
                                  ask me.



                                  --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                  > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                  > originally told me and
                                  > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC was
                                  > misinformed.
                                  > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR land!!
                                  >
                                  > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier to
                                  > go bigger first
                                  > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make splices
                                  > by adding.
                                  >
                                  > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it
                                  > up,,, but just
                                  > rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor. Then
                                  > it squalked... Of
                                  > course leaning over it while rolling it, your face
                                  > is right above
                                  > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light and
                                  > sounds etc. LOL
                                  >
                                  > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I thought
                                  > 20ah eguals 15%
                                  > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't FR
                                  > use 20ah
                                  > batteries from the get go? If they are looking for
                                  > improvements?
                                  >
                                  > Bob
                                  > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                  > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                  > > Attire & Accessories
                                  > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                  > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                  > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                  > > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's
                                  > won't
                                  > > release numbers to us for some reason... but if
                                  > your
                                  > > test are accurate, we can at least get close. I
                                  > would
                                  > > try it backwards... bigger zone first them make it
                                  > > smaller. But that's up to you.
                                  > >
                                  > > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower by
                                  > > picking on it... and those batteries can be bought
                                  > in
                                  > > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                                  > >
                                  > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just that
                                  > we
                                  > > > don't know the
                                  > > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think
                                  > anyone
                                  > > > does? (guessing?)
                                  > > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests on
                                  > this
                                  > > > thing.
                                  > > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say
                                  > name
                                  > > > here) supposed
                                  > > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                                  > > > Robomowers. With what I
                                  > > > was told I am going to "push it" and test wire
                                  > the
                                  > > > docking zone at
                                  > > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does. If
                                  > it
                                  > > > works good, I'll
                                  > > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my
                                  > drawing
                                  > > > layout in file
                                  > > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break the
                                  > 17000
                                  > > > into 2 more
                                  > > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways, hallways"
                                  > giving
                                  > > > me 3 days of
                                  > > > cutting operations.
                                  > > > I also found out that I don't even need to wire
                                  > all
                                  > > > my inside
                                  > > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought
                                  > Robo
                                  > > > would follow the
                                  > > > wire and edge along these also. Not the case.
                                  > That
                                  > > > will save me a
                                  > > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > After some thought I did finally decide to
                                  > unpack
                                  > > > Robo and has been
                                  > > > on charge since yesterday afternoon. Ironically
                                  > when
                                  > > > I went to pull
                                  > > > the battery pack out, I guess during shipping
                                  > the
                                  > > > battery case cover
                                  > > > had come loose from case. After seeing what was
                                  > in
                                  > > > there, Do you
                                  > > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than 12v
                                  > > > motorcycle/lawn
                                  > > > tractor batteries? They are only 12v 17ah
                                  > capacity..
                                  > > > A motorcycle I
                                  > > > had took the same but was 20ah and I think you
                                  > can
                                  > > > get stonger ones
                                  > > > too. Has anybody here looked into putting more
                                  > > > "juice" in Robo and
                                  > > > calculated the "run time difference" 17ah vs
                                  > 20ah or
                                  > > > higher?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Robo don't like being touched/moved!!!
                                  > > > After I plugged in the charger in the garage
                                  > with
                                  > > > Robo on the
                                  > > > floor, I noticed the wire was stretched and the
                                  > > > transformer was near
                                  > > > the edge of the work bench. I didn't want it to
                                  > fall
                                  > > > so I went to
                                  > > > move(roll) Robo back closer. When I did it's
                                  > yellow
                                  > > > light (looks
                                  > > > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then
                                  > went
                                  > > > ding ding a
                                  > > > couple times and then went silent? What did it
                                  > do? I
                                  > > > do? LOL Anybody?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Bob
                                  > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                  > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                  > > > Attire & Accessories
                                  > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                  > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                  > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                  > > > > Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500?
                                  > > > Certainly
                                  > > > > the RL1000 should be better than this. My
                                  > RL500
                                  > > > can
                                  > > > > cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already
                                  > > > supasses
                                  > > > > 1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence
                                  > > > mow..
                                  > > > > cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a
                                  > full
                                  > > > cut
                                  > > > > if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys
                                  > are
                                  > > > > calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I
                                  > can't
                                  > > > add.
                                  > > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Robomower Forums
                                  > > > > http://forums.robomower.biz
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@e...>
                                  > > > > wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: "Bob and Barbara"
                                  > <eventtravelers@a...>
                                  > > > > > > Example:
                                  > > > > > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs-
                                  > > > Seems
                                  > > > > > like a long time?
                                  > > > > > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours..
                                  > > > specs-
                                  > > > > > about par I think
                                  > > > > > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn)
                                  > divided
                                  > > > by
                                  > > > > > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                                  > > > > > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets
                                  > say
                                  > > > avg.
                                  > > > > > 3.5 hours(battery
                                  > > > > > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges,
                                  >
                                  === message truncated ===


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                                • Bob and Barbara
                                  Dan, No, I didn t pick it up at all, the wheels were on the concrete. I just rolled it backward about 12 by pushing on the front.. most likly the front
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                    Dan, No, I didn't pick it up at all, the wheels were on the
                                    concrete. I just rolled it backward about 12" by pushing on the
                                    front.. most likly the front bumper.
                                    Bob
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                                    --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Barclay" <Dan@B...> wrote:
                                    > > When I did it's yellow light (looks
                                    > > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then went ding ding a
                                    > > couple times and then went silent? What did it do? I do? LOL
                                    Anybody?
                                    >
                                    > The mower has sensors all over. In particular it watches
                                    the "front wheel
                                    > off ground" for safety, and the bumpers also have switches. I
                                    haven't tried
                                    > picking mine up when it's charging, but it may complain. Did you
                                    pick the
                                    > wheels off the ground to move it?
                                    >
                                    > For safety I think it's recommended that you lift the battery out
                                    before you
                                    > raise the mower up. I don't like the blades exposed with power
                                    available,
                                    > so that's what I do.
                                    >
                                    > Dan
                                  • Bob and Barbara
                                    I will... my perimeter wire is going down this morning. I m using some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left over in a pile from my contracting days. Also
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                      I will... my perimeter wire is going down this morning. I'm using
                                      some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left over in a pile from my
                                      contracting days. Also wire coming straight off/rolling off a spool
                                      is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying to use Robos wire
                                      coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is only 500 ft I
                                      beleive. By the way I did notice that my old wire marked 16 gauge is
                                      the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I compared them 3 times.

                                      When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for the 7500 sq ft. but
                                      I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs claim. I'm laying
                                      out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing in the files
                                      section. Front yard, side yard and partial back yard equals about a
                                      1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC told me originally
                                      the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...

                                      Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for dealers and consumers
                                      as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe only on paper as a
                                      sales ploy???
                                      Bob
                                      "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                      > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
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                                      > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)



                                      --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                      > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty frustrated
                                      > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers state a
                                      > ballpark square footage and I think it's only fair to
                                      > at least release new ballparks for each mower if
                                      > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But that's
                                      > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will handle at
                                      > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then these
                                      > improvements aren't that much to brag about if you'd
                                      > ask me.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                      > > originally told me and
                                      > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC was
                                      > > misinformed.
                                      > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR land!!
                                      > >
                                      > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier to
                                      > > go bigger first
                                      > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make splices
                                      > > by adding.
                                      > >
                                      > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it
                                      > > up,,, but just
                                      > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor. Then
                                      > > it squalked... Of
                                      > > course leaning over it while rolling it, your face
                                      > > is right above
                                      > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light and
                                      > > sounds etc. LOL
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I thought
                                      > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                      > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't FR
                                      > > use 20ah
                                      > > batteries from the get go? If they are looking for
                                      > > improvements?
                                      > >
                                      > > Bob
                                      > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                      > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                      > > > Attire & Accessories
                                      > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                      > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                      > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                      > > > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's
                                      > > won't
                                      > > > release numbers to us for some reason... but if
                                      > > your
                                      > > > test are accurate, we can at least get close. I
                                      > > would
                                      > > > try it backwards... bigger zone first them make it
                                      > > > smaller. But that's up to you.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower by
                                      > > > picking on it... and those batteries can be bought
                                      > > in
                                      > > > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just that
                                      > > we
                                      > > > > don't know the
                                      > > > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think
                                      > > anyone
                                      > > > > does? (guessing?)
                                      > > > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests on
                                      > > this
                                      > > > > thing.
                                      > > > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say
                                      > > name
                                      > > > > here) supposed
                                      > > > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                                      > > > > Robomowers. With what I
                                      > > > > was told I am going to "push it" and test wire
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > docking zone at
                                      > > > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does. If
                                      > > it
                                      > > > > works good, I'll
                                      > > > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my
                                      > > drawing
                                      > > > > layout in file
                                      > > > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break the
                                      > > 17000
                                      > > > > into 2 more
                                      > > > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways, hallways"
                                      > > giving
                                      > > > > me 3 days of
                                      > > > > cutting operations.
                                      > > > > I also found out that I don't even need to wire
                                      > > all
                                      > > > > my inside
                                      > > > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought
                                      > > Robo
                                      > > > > would follow the
                                      > > > > wire and edge along these also. Not the case.
                                      > > That
                                      > > > > will save me a
                                      > > > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > After some thought I did finally decide to
                                      > > unpack
                                      > > > > Robo and has been
                                      > > > > on charge since yesterday afternoon. Ironically
                                      > > when
                                      > > > > I went to pull
                                      > > > > the battery pack out, I guess during shipping
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > battery case cover
                                      > > > > had come loose from case. After seeing what was
                                      > > in
                                      > > > > there, Do you
                                      > > > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than 12v
                                      > > > > motorcycle/lawn
                                      > > > > tractor batteries? They are only 12v 17ah
                                      > > capacity..
                                      > > > > A motorcycle I
                                      > > > > had took the same but was 20ah and I think you
                                      > > can
                                      > > > > get stonger ones
                                      > > > > too. Has anybody here looked into putting more
                                      > > > > "juice" in Robo and
                                      > > > > calculated the "run time difference" 17ah vs
                                      > > 20ah or
                                      > > > > higher?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Robo don't like being touched/moved!!!
                                      > > > > After I plugged in the charger in the garage
                                      > > with
                                      > > > > Robo on the
                                      > > > > floor, I noticed the wire was stretched and the
                                      > > > > transformer was near
                                      > > > > the edge of the work bench. I didn't want it to
                                      > > fall
                                      > > > > so I went to
                                      > > > > move(roll) Robo back closer. When I did it's
                                      > > yellow
                                      > > > > light (looks
                                      > > > > like a mouth) lit up and it growled at me, then
                                      > > went
                                      > > > > ding ding a
                                      > > > > couple times and then went silent? What did it
                                      > > do? I
                                      > > > > do? LOL Anybody?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Bob
                                      > > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                      > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                      > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                      > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                      > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                      > > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                      > > > > > Isn't 1500sqft per hour numbers for RL500?
                                      > > > > Certainly
                                      > > > > > the RL1000 should be better than this. My
                                      > > RL500
                                      > > > > can
                                      > > > > > cut 5000sqft in about 2-3 hours which already
                                      > > > > supasses
                                      > > > > > 1500sqft per hour. Now 2 hours is a maintence
                                      > > > > mow..
                                      > > > > > cutting 1 - 1.5 times per week. 3 hours is a
                                      > > full
                                      > > > > cut
                                      > > > > > if the grass is high. I don't see how you guys
                                      > > are
                                      > > > > > calculating 1500sqft per hour... perhaps I
                                      > > can't
                                      > > > > add.
                                      > > > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Robomower Forums
                                      > > > > > http://forums.robomower.biz
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --- IGGY & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@e...>
                                      > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > > > > From: "Bob and Barbara"
                                      > > <eventtravelers@a...>
                                      > > > > > > > Example:
                                      > > > > > > > Robo cuts 1500 sq/ft in 1 hour. specs-
                                      > > > > Seems
                                      > > > > > > like a long time?
                                      > > > > > > > Full Battery charge last 3-4 hours..
                                      > > > > specs-
                                      > > > > > > about par I think
                                      > > > > > > > Now if you take 28,258 sq ft(my lawn)
                                      > > divided
                                      > > > > by
                                      > > > > > > 1500sq ft/PerHr
                                      > > > > > > > equals 18.8 cutting hours divided by lets
                                      > > say
                                      > > > > avg.
                                      > > > > > > 3.5 hours(battery
                                      > > > > > > > charge), that equals 5.4 battery charges,
                                      > >
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                                    • Clint D
                                      I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it wouldn t hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it two times to get a good even mow. I m thinking that the
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                        I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it wouldn't
                                        hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it two
                                        times to get a good even mow. I'm thinking that the
                                        2005 mower handles consecutive mows on a larger yard
                                        better than the older generation... that's just a
                                        guess.

                                        If it'll cut 11k sqft two times without missing many
                                        spots, then I'd say that the mower has improved its
                                        consecutive mowing technique. However if you run it
                                        twice and it keeps hitting the same spots it hit on
                                        the previous mow, then it's not a good idea to try to
                                        accomplish larger zones with one mow.



                                        --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                        > I will... my perimeter wire is going down this
                                        > morning. I'm using
                                        > some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left over
                                        > in a pile from my
                                        > contracting days. Also wire coming straight
                                        > off/rolling off a spool
                                        > is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying to
                                        > use Robos wire
                                        > coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is only
                                        > 500 ft I
                                        > beleive. By the way I did notice that my old wire
                                        > marked 16 gauge is
                                        > the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I
                                        > compared them 3 times.
                                        >
                                        > When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for the
                                        > 7500 sq ft. but
                                        > I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs
                                        > claim. I'm laying
                                        > out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing in
                                        > the files
                                        > section. Front yard, side yard and partial back yard
                                        > equals about a
                                        > 1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC told
                                        > me originally
                                        > the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...
                                        >
                                        > Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for dealers
                                        > and consumers
                                        > as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe only
                                        > on paper as a
                                        > sales ploy???
                                        > Bob
                                        > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                        > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                        > > Attire & Accessories
                                        > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                        > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                        > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                        > > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty frustrated
                                        > > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers
                                        > state a
                                        > > ballpark square footage and I think it's only fair
                                        > to
                                        > > at least release new ballparks for each mower if
                                        > > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But
                                        > that's
                                        > > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will handle
                                        > at
                                        > > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then these
                                        > > improvements aren't that much to brag about if
                                        > you'd
                                        > > ask me.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                        > > > originally told me and
                                        > > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC
                                        > was
                                        > > > misinformed.
                                        > > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR
                                        > land!!
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier
                                        > to
                                        > > > go bigger first
                                        > > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make
                                        > splices
                                        > > > by adding.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it
                                        > > > up,,, but just
                                        > > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor.
                                        > Then
                                        > > > it squalked... Of
                                        > > > course leaning over it while rolling it, your
                                        > face
                                        > > > is right above
                                        > > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light
                                        > and
                                        > > > sounds etc. LOL
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I
                                        > thought
                                        > > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                        > > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't
                                        > FR
                                        > > > use 20ah
                                        > > > batteries from the get go? If they are looking
                                        > for
                                        > > > improvements?
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Bob
                                        > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                        > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                        > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                        > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                        > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                        > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                        > > > > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's
                                        > > > won't
                                        > > > > release numbers to us for some reason... but
                                        > if
                                        > > > your
                                        > > > > test are accurate, we can at least get close.
                                        > I
                                        > > > would
                                        > > > > try it backwards... bigger zone first them
                                        > make it
                                        > > > > smaller. But that's up to you.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower
                                        > by
                                        > > > > picking on it... and those batteries can be
                                        > bought
                                        > > > in
                                        > > > > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...>
                                        > wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just
                                        > that
                                        > > > we
                                        > > > > > don't know the
                                        > > > > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think
                                        > > > anyone
                                        > > > > > does? (guessing?)
                                        > > > > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests
                                        > on
                                        > > > this
                                        > > > > > thing.
                                        > > > > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say
                                        > > > name
                                        > > > > > here) supposed
                                        > > > > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                                        > > > > > Robomowers. With what I
                                        > > > > > was told I am going to "push it" and test
                                        > wire
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > docking zone at
                                        > > > > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does.
                                        > If
                                        > > > it
                                        > > > > > works good, I'll
                                        > > > > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my
                                        > > > drawing
                                        > > > > > layout in file
                                        > > > > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break
                                        > the
                                        > > > 17000
                                        > > > > > into 2 more
                                        > > > > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways,
                                        > hallways"
                                        > > > giving
                                        > > > > > me 3 days of
                                        > > > > > cutting operations.
                                        > > > > > I also found out that I don't even need to
                                        > wire
                                        > > > all
                                        > > > > > my inside
                                        > > > > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought
                                        > > > Robo
                                        > > > > > would follow the
                                        > > > > > wire and edge along these also. Not the
                                        > case.
                                        > > > That
                                        > > > > > will save me a
                                        > > > > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > After some thought I did finally decide to
                                        > > > unpack
                                        > > > > > Robo and has been
                                        > > > > > on charge since yesterday afternoon.
                                        > Ironically
                                        > > > when
                                        > > > > > I went to pull
                                        > > > > > the battery pack out, I guess during
                                        > shipping
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > battery case cover
                                        > > > > > had come loose from case. After seeing what
                                        > was
                                        > > > in
                                        > > > > > there, Do you
                                        > > > > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than
                                        > 12v
                                        >
                                        === message truncated ===




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                                      • Bob and Barbara
                                        Clint, Here s what I ve done so far this morning... Because of the question about how far a distance from walls, soft flowerbeds etc, I wanted to find the
                                        Message 19 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                          Clint, Here's what I've done so far this morning... Because of the
                                          question about how far a distance from walls, soft flowerbeds etc, I
                                          wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for my paticuliar Robo.
                                          I also wanted to see just how this thing works on curves, angles,
                                          mowing, operation etc. so I made a very temporary small zone.
                                          (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights, curves, different
                                          angled corners including one a lot less that 90 degrees)
                                          After driving it out of my garage manually, setting country, self
                                          compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock (missed the first time,
                                          but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like the peg just before
                                          docking station sticking up some above ground level), I gave it the
                                          command to go cut lawn.
                                          It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to make that measurement
                                          closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree corner with it only
                                          having to "think" for a split second, continued around perimeter,
                                          then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I watched it while it cut
                                          one way(angle) until it changed angles and continued to cut.

                                          I did notice it does not cut very well though and leaves taller 6-7"
                                          single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing. Is this common? Why
                                          wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though it went right over it?
                                          Any comments/suggestions?

                                          Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then to do the real
                                          perimeter wire layout...

                                          Bob
                                          "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                          > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                          > Attire & Accessories
                                          > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                          > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)




                                          --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                          > I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it wouldn't
                                          > hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it two
                                          > times to get a good even mow. I'm thinking that the
                                          > 2005 mower handles consecutive mows on a larger yard
                                          > better than the older generation... that's just a
                                          > guess.
                                          >
                                          > If it'll cut 11k sqft two times without missing many
                                          > spots, then I'd say that the mower has improved its
                                          > consecutive mowing technique. However if you run it
                                          > twice and it keeps hitting the same spots it hit on
                                          > the previous mow, then it's not a good idea to try to
                                          > accomplish larger zones with one mow.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > I will... my perimeter wire is going down this
                                          > > morning. I'm using
                                          > > some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left over
                                          > > in a pile from my
                                          > > contracting days. Also wire coming straight
                                          > > off/rolling off a spool
                                          > > is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying to
                                          > > use Robos wire
                                          > > coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is only
                                          > > 500 ft I
                                          > > beleive. By the way I did notice that my old wire
                                          > > marked 16 gauge is
                                          > > the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I
                                          > > compared them 3 times.
                                          > >
                                          > > When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for the
                                          > > 7500 sq ft. but
                                          > > I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs
                                          > > claim. I'm laying
                                          > > out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing in
                                          > > the files
                                          > > section. Front yard, side yard and partial back yard
                                          > > equals about a
                                          > > 1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC told
                                          > > me originally
                                          > > the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...
                                          > >
                                          > > Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for dealers
                                          > > and consumers
                                          > > as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe only
                                          > > on paper as a
                                          > > sales ploy???
                                          > > Bob
                                          > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                          > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                          > > > Attire & Accessories
                                          > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                          > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                          > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                          > > > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty frustrated
                                          > > > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers
                                          > > state a
                                          > > > ballpark square footage and I think it's only fair
                                          > > to
                                          > > > at least release new ballparks for each mower if
                                          > > > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But
                                          > > that's
                                          > > > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will handle
                                          > > at
                                          > > > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then these
                                          > > > improvements aren't that much to brag about if
                                          > > you'd
                                          > > > ask me.
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                          > > > > originally told me and
                                          > > > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC
                                          > > was
                                          > > > > misinformed.
                                          > > > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR
                                          > > land!!
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier
                                          > > to
                                          > > > > go bigger first
                                          > > > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make
                                          > > splices
                                          > > > > by adding.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it
                                          > > > > up,,, but just
                                          > > > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor.
                                          > > Then
                                          > > > > it squalked... Of
                                          > > > > course leaning over it while rolling it, your
                                          > > face
                                          > > > > is right above
                                          > > > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light
                                          > > and
                                          > > > > sounds etc. LOL
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I
                                          > > thought
                                          > > > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                          > > > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't
                                          > > FR
                                          > > > > use 20ah
                                          > > > > batteries from the get go? If they are looking
                                          > > for
                                          > > > > improvements?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Bob
                                          > > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                          > > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                          > > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                          > > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                          > > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                          > > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                          > > > > > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's
                                          > > > > won't
                                          > > > > > release numbers to us for some reason... but
                                          > > if
                                          > > > > your
                                          > > > > > test are accurate, we can at least get close.
                                          > > I
                                          > > > > would
                                          > > > > > try it backwards... bigger zone first them
                                          > > make it
                                          > > > > > smaller. But that's up to you.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower
                                          > > by
                                          > > > > > picking on it... and those batteries can be
                                          > > bought
                                          > > > > in
                                          > > > > > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...>
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just
                                          > > that
                                          > > > > we
                                          > > > > > > don't know the
                                          > > > > > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think
                                          > > > > anyone
                                          > > > > > > does? (guessing?)
                                          > > > > > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests
                                          > > on
                                          > > > > this
                                          > > > > > > thing.
                                          > > > > > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say
                                          > > > > name
                                          > > > > > > here) supposed
                                          > > > > > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                                          > > > > > > Robomowers. With what I
                                          > > > > > > was told I am going to "push it" and test
                                          > > wire
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > docking zone at
                                          > > > > > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does.
                                          > > If
                                          > > > > it
                                          > > > > > > works good, I'll
                                          > > > > > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my
                                          > > > > drawing
                                          > > > > > > layout in file
                                          > > > > > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break
                                          > > the
                                          > > > > 17000
                                          > > > > > > into 2 more
                                          > > > > > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways,
                                          > > hallways"
                                          > > > > giving
                                          > > > > > > me 3 days of
                                          > > > > > > cutting operations.
                                          > > > > > > I also found out that I don't even need to
                                          > > wire
                                          > > > > all
                                          > > > > > > my inside
                                          > > > > > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought
                                          > > > > Robo
                                          > > > > > > would follow the
                                          > > > > > > wire and edge along these also. Not the
                                          > > case.
                                          > > > > That
                                          > > > > > > will save me a
                                          > > > > > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > After some thought I did finally decide to
                                          > > > > unpack
                                          > > > > > > Robo and has been
                                          > > > > > > on charge since yesterday afternoon.
                                          > > Ironically
                                          > > > > when
                                          > > > > > > I went to pull
                                          > > > > > > the battery pack out, I guess during
                                          > > shipping
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > battery case cover
                                          > > > > > > had come loose from case. After seeing what
                                          > > was
                                          > > > > in
                                          > > > > > > there, Do you
                                          > > > > > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than
                                          > > 12v
                                          > >
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                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
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                                        • Clint D
                                          It s normal for it to leave a few uncut blades left. Keep in mind during normal mowing, the mower will pass the same spot several times. If it misses it one
                                          Message 20 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                            It's normal for it to leave a few uncut blades left.
                                            Keep in mind during normal mowing, the mower will pass
                                            the same spot several times. If it misses it one time,
                                            it'll probably get it on another pass. Another thing
                                            you'll notice is after it's done, you will not have
                                            those mowing stripes. Your lawn will look like a "sea
                                            of grass".

                                            The rules for the mower can be broken... I've broken
                                            several rules with no problems at all! This is why I
                                            say it's probably best to start with a larger zone
                                            then make it smaller. Also I've seen these mowers mow
                                            less than 90 degrees tons of times. :)

                                            Keep in mind that it's a good idea to install it the
                                            way you want it to work first... then as problems
                                            arise, make adjustments... you'll be surprised as how
                                            much you can get away with. It takes a lot longer this
                                            way because of the trail and error, but in the end
                                            you'll be happier because you're using the mower to
                                            it's maximum ability. :)



                                            --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                            > Clint, Here's what I've done so far this morning...
                                            > Because of the
                                            > question about how far a distance from walls, soft
                                            > flowerbeds etc, I
                                            > wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for my
                                            > paticuliar Robo.
                                            > I also wanted to see just how this thing works on
                                            > curves, angles,
                                            > mowing, operation etc. so I made a very temporary
                                            > small zone.
                                            > (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights, curves,
                                            > different
                                            > angled corners including one a lot less that 90
                                            > degrees)
                                            > After driving it out of my garage manually, setting
                                            > country, self
                                            > compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock (missed
                                            > the first time,
                                            > but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like the
                                            > peg just before
                                            > docking station sticking up some above ground
                                            > level), I gave it the
                                            > command to go cut lawn.
                                            > It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to make
                                            > that measurement
                                            > closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree
                                            > corner with it only
                                            > having to "think" for a split second, continued
                                            > around perimeter,
                                            > then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I watched
                                            > it while it cut
                                            > one way(angle) until it changed angles and continued
                                            > to cut.
                                            >
                                            > I did notice it does not cut very well though and
                                            > leaves taller 6-7"
                                            > single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing. Is
                                            > this common? Why
                                            > wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though it
                                            > went right over it?
                                            > Any comments/suggestions?
                                            >
                                            > Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then to do
                                            > the real
                                            > perimeter wire layout...
                                            >
                                            > Bob
                                            > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                            > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                            > > Attire & Accessories
                                            > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                            > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                            > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                            > > I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it
                                            > wouldn't
                                            > > hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it
                                            > two
                                            > > times to get a good even mow. I'm thinking that
                                            > the
                                            > > 2005 mower handles consecutive mows on a larger
                                            > yard
                                            > > better than the older generation... that's just a
                                            > > guess.
                                            > >
                                            > > If it'll cut 11k sqft two times without missing
                                            > many
                                            > > spots, then I'd say that the mower has improved
                                            > its
                                            > > consecutive mowing technique. However if you run
                                            > it
                                            > > twice and it keeps hitting the same spots it hit
                                            > on
                                            > > the previous mow, then it's not a good idea to try
                                            > to
                                            > > accomplish larger zones with one mow.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > I will... my perimeter wire is going down this
                                            > > > morning. I'm using
                                            > > > some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left
                                            > over
                                            > > > in a pile from my
                                            > > > contracting days. Also wire coming straight
                                            > > > off/rolling off a spool
                                            > > > is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying
                                            > to
                                            > > > use Robos wire
                                            > > > coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is
                                            > only
                                            > > > 500 ft I
                                            > > > beleive. By the way I did notice that my old
                                            > wire
                                            > > > marked 16 gauge is
                                            > > > the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I
                                            > > > compared them 3 times.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for
                                            > the
                                            > > > 7500 sq ft. but
                                            > > > I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs
                                            > > > claim. I'm laying
                                            > > > out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing
                                            > in
                                            > > > the files
                                            > > > section. Front yard, side yard and partial back
                                            > yard
                                            > > > equals about a
                                            > > > 1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC
                                            > told
                                            > > > me originally
                                            > > > the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for
                                            > dealers
                                            > > > and consumers
                                            > > > as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe
                                            > only
                                            > > > on paper as a
                                            > > > sales ploy???
                                            > > > Bob
                                            > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                            > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                            > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                            > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                            > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                            > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                            > > > > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty
                                            > frustrated
                                            > > > > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers
                                            > > > state a
                                            > > > > ballpark square footage and I think it's only
                                            > fair
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > at least release new ballparks for each mower
                                            > if
                                            > > > > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But
                                            > > > that's
                                            > > > > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will
                                            > handle
                                            > > > at
                                            > > > > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then
                                            > these
                                            > > > > improvements aren't that much to brag about if
                                            > > > you'd
                                            > > > > ask me.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...>
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                            > > > > > originally told me and
                                            > > > > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they,
                                            > STC
                                            > > > was
                                            > > > > > misinformed.
                                            > > > > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR
                                            > > > land!!
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot
                                            > easier
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > > go bigger first
                                            > > > > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make
                                            > > > splices
                                            > > > > > by adding.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even
                                            > picking it
                                            > > > > > up,,, but just
                                            > > > > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage
                                            > floor.
                                            > > > Then
                                            > > > > > it squalked... Of
                                            > > > > > course leaning over it while rolling it,
                                            > your
                                            > > > face
                                            > > > > > is right above
                                            > > > > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the
                                            > light
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > > sounds etc. LOL
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I
                                            > > > thought
                                            > > > > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                            > > > > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why
                                            > doesn't
                                            >
                                            === message truncated ===




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                                          • Dan Barclay
                                            I agree with Clint s comments. One thing you might watch on what you can get away with . You can set the wire closer to walls than the ruler says, but you
                                            Message 21 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                              I agree with Clint's comments.

                                              One thing you might watch on "what you can get away with". You can set the
                                              wire closer to walls than the ruler says, but you need to watch more than
                                              one thing here. The robo will track the wire with the wire very close to
                                              the wall. HOWEVER, if you get it as close to the wall in edge mode as you
                                              can then it may have trouble acquiring the perimeter to go home when it's
                                              done. So, when you get it where you want it, point the mower at the wall
                                              and tell it to "go to dock". If it bumps the wall, pull the wire back an
                                              inch or two and try again.

                                              I posted earlier my 1-2-3" rule I came up with when setting up my first
                                              mower. That worked flawlessly on my second and I didn't have to adjust
                                              much.

                                              Dan

                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RoboMower@yahoogroups.com] On
                                              > Behalf Of Bob and Barbara
                                              > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:26 PM
                                              > To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: [RoboMower] Re: My Robo is here!!
                                              >
                                              > Clint, Here's what I've done so far this morning... Because of the
                                              > question about how far a distance from walls, soft flowerbeds etc, I
                                              > wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for my paticuliar Robo.
                                              > I also wanted to see just how this thing works on curves, angles,
                                              > mowing, operation etc. so I made a very temporary small zone.
                                              > (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights, curves, different
                                              > angled corners including one a lot less that 90 degrees)
                                              > After driving it out of my garage manually, setting country, self
                                              > compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock (missed the first time,
                                              > but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like the peg just before
                                              > docking station sticking up some above ground level), I gave it the
                                              > command to go cut lawn.
                                              > It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to make that measurement
                                              > closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree corner with it only
                                              > having to "think" for a split second, continued around perimeter,
                                              > then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I watched it while it cut
                                              > one way(angle) until it changed angles and continued to cut.
                                              >
                                              > I did notice it does not cut very well though and leaves taller 6-7"
                                              > single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing. Is this common? Why
                                              > wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though it went right over it?
                                              > Any comments/suggestions?
                                              >
                                              > Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then to do the real
                                              > perimeter wire layout...
                                              >
                                              > Bob
                                              > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                              > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                              > > Attire & Accessories
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                                              > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                              > > I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it wouldn't
                                              > > hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it two
                                              > > times to get a good even mow. I'm thinking that the
                                              > > 2005 mower handles consecutive mows on a larger yard
                                              > > better than the older generation... that's just a
                                              > > guess.
                                              > >
                                              > > If it'll cut 11k sqft two times without missing many
                                              > > spots, then I'd say that the mower has improved its
                                              > > consecutive mowing technique. However if you run it
                                              > > twice and it keeps hitting the same spots it hit on
                                              > > the previous mow, then it's not a good idea to try to
                                              > > accomplish larger zones with one mow.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > > I will... my perimeter wire is going down this
                                              > > > morning. I'm using
                                              > > > some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left over
                                              > > > in a pile from my
                                              > > > contracting days. Also wire coming straight
                                              > > > off/rolling off a spool
                                              > > > is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying to
                                              > > > use Robos wire
                                              > > > coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is only
                                              > > > 500 ft I
                                              > > > beleive. By the way I did notice that my old wire
                                              > > > marked 16 gauge is
                                              > > > the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I
                                              > > > compared them 3 times.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for the
                                              > > > 7500 sq ft. but
                                              > > > I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs
                                              > > > claim. I'm laying
                                              > > > out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing in
                                              > > > the files
                                              > > > section. Front yard, side yard and partial back yard
                                              > > > equals about a
                                              > > > 1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC told
                                              > > > me originally
                                              > > > the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for dealers
                                              > > > and consumers
                                              > > > as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe only
                                              > > > on paper as a
                                              > > > sales ploy???
                                              > > > Bob
                                              > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                              > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                              > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                              > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                              > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                              > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                              > > > > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty frustrated
                                              > > > > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers
                                              > > > state a
                                              > > > > ballpark square footage and I think it's only fair
                                              > > > to
                                              > > > > at least release new ballparks for each mower if
                                              > > > > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But
                                              > > > that's
                                              > > > > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will handle
                                              > > > at
                                              > > > > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then these
                                              > > > > improvements aren't that much to brag about if
                                              > > > you'd
                                              > > > > ask me.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                              > > > > > originally told me and
                                              > > > > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they, STC
                                              > > > was
                                              > > > > > misinformed.
                                              > > > > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR
                                              > > > land!!
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot easier
                                              > > > to
                                              > > > > > go bigger first
                                              > > > > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make
                                              > > > splices
                                              > > > > > by adding.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even picking it
                                              > > > > > up,,, but just
                                              > > > > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage floor.
                                              > > > Then
                                              > > > > > it squalked... Of
                                              > > > > > course leaning over it while rolling it, your
                                              > > > face
                                              > > > > > is right above
                                              > > > > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the light
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > > sounds etc. LOL
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I
                                              > > > thought
                                              > > > > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                              > > > > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why doesn't
                                              > > > FR
                                              > > > > > use 20ah
                                              > > > > > batteries from the get go? If they are looking
                                              > > > for
                                              > > > > > improvements?
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Bob
                                              > > > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                              > > > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                              > > > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                              > > > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                              > > > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                              > > > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                              > > > > > > Bob, let us know how your test turn out. FR's
                                              > > > > > won't
                                              > > > > > > release numbers to us for some reason... but
                                              > > > if
                                              > > > > > your
                                              > > > > > > test are accurate, we can at least get close.
                                              > > > I
                                              > > > > > would
                                              > > > > > > try it backwards... bigger zone first them
                                              > > > make it
                                              > > > > > > smaller. But that's up to you.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > I don't think you caused any harm to the mower
                                              > > > by
                                              > > > > > > picking on it... and those batteries can be
                                              > > > bought
                                              > > > > > in
                                              > > > > > > several places. Here's a thread with details:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > http://forums.robomower.biz/viewtopic.php?t=21
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...>
                                              > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Clint, you can add and I can add, It's just
                                              > > > that
                                              > > > > > we
                                              > > > > > > > don't know the
                                              > > > > > > > correct #'s to add. Frankly, I don't think
                                              > > > > > anyone
                                              > > > > > > > does? (guessing?)
                                              > > > > > > > I don't even think FR did any actual tests
                                              > > > on
                                              > > > > > this
                                              > > > > > > > thing.
                                              > > > > > > > I did finally call a dealer(told not to say
                                              > > > > > name
                                              > > > > > > > here) supposed
                                              > > > > > > > highly versed, educated and experinced in FR
                                              > > > > > > > Robomowers. With what I
                                              > > > > > > > was told I am going to "push it" and test
                                              > > > wire
                                              > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > docking zone at
                                              > > > > > > > 8000 sq ft. presently and see how Robo does.
                                              > > > If
                                              > > > > > it
                                              > > > > > > > works good, I'll
                                              > > > > > > > expand that to the 11,170 sq ft as per my
                                              > > > > > drawing
                                              > > > > > > > layout in file
                                              > > > > > > > sextion. Then if all goes well, I'll break
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > 17000
                                              > > > > > > > into 2 more
                                              > > > > > > > zones by way of "tunnels, pathways,
                                              > > > hallways"
                                              > > > > > giving
                                              > > > > > > > me 3 days of
                                              > > > > > > > cutting operations.
                                              > > > > > > > I also found out that I don't even need to
                                              > > > wire
                                              > > > > > all
                                              > > > > > > > my inside
                                              > > > > > > > obsticles with perimter wire since I thought
                                              > > > > > Robo
                                              > > > > > > > would follow the
                                              > > > > > > > wire and edge along these also. Not the
                                              > > > case.
                                              > > > > > That
                                              > > > > > > > will save me a
                                              > > > > > > > lot of time wiring and stakes!!
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > After some thought I did finally decide to
                                              > > > > > unpack
                                              > > > > > > > Robo and has been
                                              > > > > > > > on charge since yesterday afternoon.
                                              > > > Ironically
                                              > > > > > when
                                              > > > > > > > I went to pull
                                              > > > > > > > the battery pack out, I guess during
                                              > > > shipping
                                              > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > battery case cover
                                              > > > > > > > had come loose from case. After seeing what
                                              > > > was
                                              > > > > > in
                                              > > > > > > > there, Do you
                                              > > > > > > > know those 2 batteries are nothing more than
                                              > > > 12v
                                              > > >
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                                            • Bob and Barbara
                                              To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run, did ok.. some perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping ties in the corners only (got to make some
                                              Message 22 of 29 , Jul 30, 2005
                                                To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run, did ok.. some
                                                perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping ties in the corners
                                                only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will push like hell
                                                against a landscaping tie.
                                                The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and then the 2nd time
                                                bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets pissed and pushes real
                                                hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll the landscaping tie
                                                over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember reading about the guy here
                                                with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..

                                                I also need to put perimeter wire around all the flower beds and
                                                pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping tie especially in
                                                reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in forward.
                                                Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise by sensing the
                                                perimeter wire, doing a slight adjustment and then continuing on
                                                track along side it's last cut opposed to the bump senser method.
                                                With the bump sensor method Robo tries to compensate the best it
                                                can, as you can see it thinking but goes off at a much greater angle.
                                                (grass left uncut) I think if all interior flower beds and pond were
                                                perimeter wired, Robo would be very precise in it's cutting and do a
                                                lot more area. I also need to add some topsoil around the maple tree
                                                roots (front yard) at the perimeter wire as this does throw Robo off
                                                course a little in the scan mode.

                                                I also found out that FR has Robo programed automatically for a
                                                postage stamp yard with very short distance entry points... one
                                                right off the docking station, (ok that's cool) #2 about 40 ft from
                                                docking station and #3 about about 80 ft from DS. Of course on 3
                                                consecutive starts my back yard got cut real well, but I wanted to
                                                see how well it did in the front yard with all the obsticles. Number
                                                3 entry did finally start heading up to the front yard. I need to
                                                changed FR's entry points if I can and figure out how?

                                                Robo worked for several hours (cutting) including all the time I
                                                messed with it (perimeter tests-couple times),(it got stuck),
                                                manually driving it back from the back yard and to "go to dock" so I
                                                could find the next entry point, etc.
                                                I finally had to do a "stop" because it was getting dark and Robo
                                                was heading back to the front yard cutting but ofcouse the front was
                                                having the problems of ties and rocks... And I had something that
                                                needed to be done so I could not supervise Robo any longer.. Robo
                                                was still going strong!! Have no idea of operation time left.

                                                Once I get the the flower beds wired with perimeter wire, I believe
                                                Robo will do a great job. From what I've seen so far... maybe more.

                                                It's 11:59pm, I'm tired, been a long day...but thought you all
                                                would like to know...
                                                Please excuse any grammer or misspellings because I've had 3
                                                screwdrivers and 2 manhattens....
                                                Thx,
                                                Bob



                                                --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                > It's normal for it to leave a few uncut blades left.
                                                > Keep in mind during normal mowing, the mower will pass
                                                > the same spot several times. If it misses it one time,
                                                > it'll probably get it on another pass. Another thing
                                                > you'll notice is after it's done, you will not have
                                                > those mowing stripes. Your lawn will look like a "sea
                                                > of grass".
                                                >
                                                > The rules for the mower can be broken... I've broken
                                                > several rules with no problems at all! This is why I
                                                > say it's probably best to start with a larger zone
                                                > then make it smaller. Also I've seen these mowers mow
                                                > less than 90 degrees tons of times. :)
                                                >
                                                > Keep in mind that it's a good idea to install it the
                                                > way you want it to work first... then as problems
                                                > arise, make adjustments... you'll be surprised as how
                                                > much you can get away with. It takes a lot longer this
                                                > way because of the trail and error, but in the end
                                                > you'll be happier because you're using the mower to
                                                > it's maximum ability. :)
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > > Clint, Here's what I've done so far this morning...
                                                > > Because of the
                                                > > question about how far a distance from walls, soft
                                                > > flowerbeds etc, I
                                                > > wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for my
                                                > > paticuliar Robo.
                                                > > I also wanted to see just how this thing works on
                                                > > curves, angles,
                                                > > mowing, operation etc. so I made a very temporary
                                                > > small zone.
                                                > > (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights, curves,
                                                > > different
                                                > > angled corners including one a lot less that 90
                                                > > degrees)
                                                > > After driving it out of my garage manually, setting
                                                > > country, self
                                                > > compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock (missed
                                                > > the first time,
                                                > > but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like the
                                                > > peg just before
                                                > > docking station sticking up some above ground
                                                > > level), I gave it the
                                                > > command to go cut lawn.
                                                > > It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to make
                                                > > that measurement
                                                > > closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree
                                                > > corner with it only
                                                > > having to "think" for a split second, continued
                                                > > around perimeter,
                                                > > then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I watched
                                                > > it while it cut
                                                > > one way(angle) until it changed angles and continued
                                                > > to cut.
                                                > >
                                                > > I did notice it does not cut very well though and
                                                > > leaves taller 6-7"
                                                > > single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing. Is
                                                > > this common? Why
                                                > > wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though it
                                                > > went right over it?
                                                > > Any comments/suggestions?
                                                > >
                                                > > Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then to do
                                                > > the real
                                                > > perimeter wire layout...
                                                > >
                                                > > Bob
                                                > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                                > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                                > > > Attire & Accessories
                                                > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                                > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                > > > I agree with you trying 11k sqft, in fact it
                                                > > wouldn't
                                                > > > hurt to make it 15k sqft. Be prepared to run it
                                                > > two
                                                > > > times to get a good even mow. I'm thinking that
                                                > > the
                                                > > > 2005 mower handles consecutive mows on a larger
                                                > > yard
                                                > > > better than the older generation... that's just a
                                                > > > guess.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > If it'll cut 11k sqft two times without missing
                                                > > many
                                                > > > spots, then I'd say that the mower has improved
                                                > > its
                                                > > > consecutive mowing technique. However if you run
                                                > > it
                                                > > > twice and it keeps hitting the same spots it hit
                                                > > on
                                                > > > the previous mow, then it's not a good idea to try
                                                > > to
                                                > > > accomplish larger zones with one mow.
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > > I will... my perimeter wire is going down this
                                                > > > > morning. I'm using
                                                > > > > some of the 1500 ft spools of wire I had left
                                                > > over
                                                > > > > in a pile from my
                                                > > > > contracting days. Also wire coming straight
                                                > > > > off/rolling off a spool
                                                > > > > is a lot better/easier to lay down than trying
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > use Robos wire
                                                > > > > coming out in a spiral. Plus Robos wire roll is
                                                > > only
                                                > > > > 500 ft I
                                                > > > > beleive. By the way I did notice that my old
                                                > > wire
                                                > > > > marked 16 gauge is
                                                > > > > the same diameter as Robos 14 gauge? wire. I
                                                > > > > compared them 3 times.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > When I spoke to the dealer he also said go for
                                                > > the
                                                > > > > 7500 sq ft. but
                                                > > > > I am going to really test it per the Ad and STCs
                                                > > > > claim. I'm laying
                                                > > > > out the Full 11,170 sq. ft per my layout drawing
                                                > > in
                                                > > > > the files
                                                > > > > section. Front yard, side yard and partial back
                                                > > yard
                                                > > > > equals about a
                                                > > > > 1/4 acre, that's 1/2 of what Costcos Ad and STC
                                                > > told
                                                > > > > me originally
                                                > > > > the new RL1000 would do. We Will See...
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Clint, I agreeee that it's only fair too for
                                                > > dealers
                                                > > > > and consumers
                                                > > > > as well!!! I question improvements also? Maybe
                                                > > only
                                                > > > > on paper as a
                                                > > > > sales ploy???
                                                > > > > Bob
                                                > > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                                > > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                                > > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                                > > > > > Manassas, Va www.fashionfantasylingerie.com
                                                > > > > > 1-800-oerotic(637-6842)
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                > > > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                > > > > > Let us know how it goes. Yea I'm pretty
                                                > > frustrated
                                                > > > > > about the RL1000 numbers too. The other mowers
                                                > > > > state a
                                                > > > > > ballpark square footage and I think it's only
                                                > > fair
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > at least release new ballparks for each mower
                                                > > if
                                                > > > > > they're going to claim it cuts more grass. But
                                                > > > > that's
                                                > > > > > my vent. I'm confident that the RL1000 will
                                                > > handle
                                                > > > > at
                                                > > > > > least 6800-7500sqft per charge. If not, then
                                                > > these
                                                > > > > > improvements aren't that much to brag about if
                                                > > > > you'd
                                                > > > > > ask me.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...>
                                                > > wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Clint, I will... yes, I know except what STC
                                                > > > > > > originally told me and
                                                > > > > > > now talking to the dealer, he tells me they,
                                                > > STC
                                                > > > > was
                                                > > > > > > misinformed.
                                                > > > > > > Misinformed by Who? Something smells in FR
                                                > > > > land!!
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > I think I will try larger.... it's a lot
                                                > > easier
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > go bigger first
                                                > > > > > > and pull wire back to smaller, than to make
                                                > > > > splices
                                                > > > > > > by adding.
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > hey, I wasn't picking on it!! or even
                                                > > picking it
                                                > > > > > > up,,, but just
                                                > > > > > > rolled it back about 12" on the garage
                                                > > floor.
                                                > > > > Then
                                                > > > > > > it squalked... Of
                                                > > > > > > course leaning over it while rolling it,
                                                > > your
                                                > > > > face
                                                > > > > > > is right above
                                                > > > > > > Robo, and kind of scares ya.... with the
                                                > > light
                                                > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > sounds etc. LOL
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Thanks for that thread... yea, just what I
                                                > > > > thought
                                                > > > > > > 20ah eguals 15%
                                                > > > > > > more or about 30 minutes more... So Why
                                                > > doesn't
                                                > >
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                                              • Clint D
                                                Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run it in each zone (total run time) and did it leave many missed spots? How s the cut quality for your large
                                                Message 23 of 29 , Jul 31, 2005
                                                  Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run it
                                                  in each zone (total run time) and did it leave many
                                                  missed spots? How's the cut quality for your large
                                                  yard? Are you going to leave the zones as big as they
                                                  are or are you planning to reduce their size?

                                                  They've changed the behavior of the mower when
                                                  bumping. The RL500 bumps then reverses and turn. It
                                                  won't bump the same spot twice... let alone 3 times! I
                                                  wonder what's the purpose they changed the programming
                                                  for. The older mowers certainly aren't this
                                                  aggressive. Hmmm was the bumpers detecting an object
                                                  or did the landscaping tie stop the mower without
                                                  triggering the bumper sensors? If it stopped without
                                                  triggering bumpers, perhaps this is a good way to get
                                                  unstuck out of holes. Other than that I dont see why.

                                                  Check the manual for programming entry points... it's
                                                  in there and very simple to do.



                                                  --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                                  > To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run, did
                                                  > ok.. some
                                                  > perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping
                                                  > ties in the corners
                                                  > only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will push
                                                  > like hell
                                                  > against a landscaping tie.
                                                  > The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and
                                                  > then the 2nd time
                                                  > bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets pissed
                                                  > and pushes real
                                                  > hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll the
                                                  > landscaping tie
                                                  > over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember reading
                                                  > about the guy here
                                                  > with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..
                                                  >
                                                  > I also need to put perimeter wire around all the
                                                  > flower beds and
                                                  > pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping tie
                                                  > especially in
                                                  > reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in
                                                  > forward.
                                                  > Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise by
                                                  > sensing the
                                                  > perimeter wire, doing a slight adjustment and then
                                                  > continuing on
                                                  > track along side it's last cut opposed to the bump
                                                  > senser method.
                                                  > With the bump sensor method Robo tries to compensate
                                                  > the best it
                                                  > can, as you can see it thinking but goes off at a
                                                  > much greater angle.
                                                  > (grass left uncut) I think if all interior flower
                                                  > beds and pond were
                                                  > perimeter wired, Robo would be very precise in it's
                                                  > cutting and do a
                                                  > lot more area. I also need to add some topsoil
                                                  > around the maple tree
                                                  > roots (front yard) at the perimeter wire as this
                                                  > does throw Robo off
                                                  > course a little in the scan mode.
                                                  >
                                                  > I also found out that FR has Robo programed
                                                  > automatically for a
                                                  > postage stamp yard with very short distance entry
                                                  > points... one
                                                  > right off the docking station, (ok that's cool) #2
                                                  > about 40 ft from
                                                  > docking station and #3 about about 80 ft from DS. Of
                                                  > course on 3
                                                  > consecutive starts my back yard got cut real well,
                                                  > but I wanted to
                                                  > see how well it did in the front yard with all the
                                                  > obsticles. Number
                                                  > 3 entry did finally start heading up to the front
                                                  > yard. I need to
                                                  > changed FR's entry points if I can and figure out
                                                  > how?
                                                  >
                                                  > Robo worked for several hours (cutting) including
                                                  > all the time I
                                                  > messed with it (perimeter tests-couple times),(it
                                                  > got stuck),
                                                  > manually driving it back from the back yard and to
                                                  > "go to dock" so I
                                                  > could find the next entry point, etc.
                                                  > I finally had to do a "stop" because it was getting
                                                  > dark and Robo
                                                  > was heading back to the front yard cutting but
                                                  > ofcouse the front was
                                                  > having the problems of ties and rocks... And I had
                                                  > something that
                                                  > needed to be done so I could not supervise Robo any
                                                  > longer.. Robo
                                                  > was still going strong!! Have no idea of operation
                                                  > time left.
                                                  >
                                                  > Once I get the the flower beds wired with perimeter
                                                  > wire, I believe
                                                  > Robo will do a great job. From what I've seen so
                                                  > far... maybe more.
                                                  >
                                                  > It's 11:59pm, I'm tired, been a long day...but
                                                  > thought you all
                                                  > would like to know...
                                                  > Please excuse any grammer or misspellings because
                                                  > I've had 3
                                                  > screwdrivers and 2 manhattens....
                                                  > Thx,
                                                  > Bob
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                  > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                  > > It's normal for it to leave a few uncut blades
                                                  > left.
                                                  > > Keep in mind during normal mowing, the mower will
                                                  > pass
                                                  > > the same spot several times. If it misses it one
                                                  > time,
                                                  > > it'll probably get it on another pass. Another
                                                  > thing
                                                  > > you'll notice is after it's done, you will not
                                                  > have
                                                  > > those mowing stripes. Your lawn will look like a
                                                  > "sea
                                                  > > of grass".
                                                  > >
                                                  > > The rules for the mower can be broken... I've
                                                  > broken
                                                  > > several rules with no problems at all! This is why
                                                  > I
                                                  > > say it's probably best to start with a larger zone
                                                  > > then make it smaller. Also I've seen these mowers
                                                  > mow
                                                  > > less than 90 degrees tons of times. :)
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Keep in mind that it's a good idea to install it
                                                  > the
                                                  > > way you want it to work first... then as problems
                                                  > > arise, make adjustments... you'll be surprised as
                                                  > how
                                                  > > much you can get away with. It takes a lot longer
                                                  > this
                                                  > > way because of the trail and error, but in the end
                                                  > > you'll be happier because you're using the mower
                                                  > to
                                                  > > it's maximum ability. :)
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > > Clint, Here's what I've done so far this
                                                  > morning...
                                                  > > > Because of the
                                                  > > > question about how far a distance from walls,
                                                  > soft
                                                  > > > flowerbeds etc, I
                                                  > > > wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for
                                                  > my
                                                  > > > paticuliar Robo.
                                                  > > > I also wanted to see just how this thing works
                                                  > on
                                                  > > > curves, angles,
                                                  > > > mowing, operation etc. so I made a very
                                                  > temporary
                                                  > > > small zone.
                                                  > > > (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights,
                                                  > curves,
                                                  > > > different
                                                  > > > angled corners including one a lot less that 90
                                                  > > > degrees)
                                                  > > > After driving it out of my garage manually,
                                                  > setting
                                                  > > > country, self
                                                  > > > compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock
                                                  > (missed
                                                  > > > the first time,
                                                  > > > but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like
                                                  > the
                                                  > > > peg just before
                                                  > > > docking station sticking up some above ground
                                                  > > > level), I gave it the
                                                  > > > command to go cut lawn.
                                                  > > > It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to
                                                  > make
                                                  > > > that measurement
                                                  > > > closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree
                                                  > > > corner with it only
                                                  > > > having to "think" for a split second, continued
                                                  > > > around perimeter,
                                                  > > > then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I
                                                  > watched
                                                  > > > it while it cut
                                                  > > > one way(angle) until it changed angles and
                                                  > continued
                                                  > > > to cut.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > I did notice it does not cut very well though
                                                  > and
                                                  > > > leaves taller 6-7"
                                                  > > > single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing.
                                                  > Is
                                                  > > > this common? Why
                                                  > > > wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though
                                                  > it
                                                  > > > went right over it?
                                                  > > > Any comments/suggestions?
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then
                                                  > to do
                                                  > > > the real
                                                  > > > perimeter wire layout...
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Bob
                                                  > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                                  > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                                  > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                                  >
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                                                • Bob and Barbara
                                                  Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone) as stated in previous message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing 2 zones Will this work)in the files
                                                  Message 24 of 29 , Jul 31, 2005
                                                    Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone) as stated in previous
                                                    message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing "2 zones Will this
                                                    work)in the files section. The zone consisted of Front yard, Right
                                                    side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the only zone it ran in.
                                                    Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as now much time Robo
                                                    ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message. A lot of battery
                                                    time was wasted with several test perimeter runs, also stopping it
                                                    and having it "go to dock" and also figuring entry points.

                                                    I stopped it because I was in the garage palleting a new yard
                                                    vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading for the front yard
                                                    again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended up in that area
                                                    because of all the problem areas. When I intercepted Robo, I just
                                                    had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was going strong and
                                                    cutting, so I have no idea of just how much battery time was left.

                                                    I think a good idea for FR would be to put some sort of "remaining
                                                    battery charge left" meter either on the manual controler or maybe
                                                    on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and all other electronic
                                                    gadgets. That way you would know just how much more cutting can be
                                                    accomplished or give you the option to move Robo manually to an area
                                                    that needs more attention and let it finish in the area before the
                                                    battery runs out of charge.

                                                    Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas that were cut
                                                    completely, almost complete and not so well. I made a drawing
                                                    showing what Robo did and put it in the files section under "1st
                                                    attempt results".
                                                    The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of the Side and part
                                                    of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here and there(2passes...
                                                    The other areas of front and side had a lot of uncut grass(1 pass).
                                                    But Robo was heading straight for those areas when I stopped it.
                                                    So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest report.
                                                    I plan on putting down the perimeter wire around all flower beds
                                                    and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor before I make the
                                                    next attempt. That way Robo will start from scratch with
                                                    no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to keep that zone at
                                                    it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I think the New Robo
                                                    has a good chance of accomplishing it.

                                                    Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but also why Robo can
                                                    get quite aggressive! I think it's because of the small degree of
                                                    turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or bumps. It seems that it
                                                    wants to track side by side(parallel) of the last cutting path. On
                                                    contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops, makes a slight
                                                    turning degree adjustment, changes direction and goes not quite 2
                                                    feet, then makes another slight degree adjustment while moving
                                                    making it mowing right next to it's last cut path. This operation is
                                                    soooo gentle and precise almost flawless. However, when Robo bumps
                                                    something it has to "think" for a second or so then you can see it
                                                    trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't go at the same
                                                    precise angle. Usually wider.

                                                    I think the bummer sensers are either too high up in the bumper and
                                                    from ground level especially on the back or not enough of them?
                                                    Every time Robo climbed the landscaping tie and proceeded into the
                                                    flowerbed it was in the reverse direction. No! the sensors did not
                                                    stop Robo and neither did the landscaping ties. The ties are 4 1/2
                                                    to 5" high. With those knobby tires Robo is strong!!
                                                    Although I have the cutting height set at 3 1/2"(recommended by
                                                    Scotts) and the ground clearance set at high (recommended by FRs
                                                    manual). I also thought I would need the higher clearance because of
                                                    Maple tree roots and a little rougher terrain in the back yard.
                                                    Maybe not? I am going to experiment with that setting and try the
                                                    lower one. Too bad there isn't one in between as I think that would
                                                    be ideal

                                                    Has anyone else experinced the pegs top breaking off when your
                                                    hammering them into the ground? I broke about 15 out of 100 used?

                                                    Bob






                                                    --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                    > Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run it
                                                    > in each zone (total run time) and did it leave many
                                                    > missed spots? How's the cut quality for your large
                                                    > yard? Are you going to leave the zones as big as they
                                                    > are or are you planning to reduce their size?
                                                    >
                                                    > They've changed the behavior of the mower when
                                                    > bumping. The RL500 bumps then reverses and turn. It
                                                    > won't bump the same spot twice... let alone 3 times! I
                                                    > wonder what's the purpose they changed the programming
                                                    > for. The older mowers certainly aren't this
                                                    > aggressive. Hmmm was the bumpers detecting an object
                                                    > or did the landscaping tie stop the mower without
                                                    > triggering the bumper sensors? If it stopped without
                                                    > triggering bumpers, perhaps this is a good way to get
                                                    > unstuck out of holes. Other than that I dont see why.
                                                    >
                                                    > Check the manual for programming entry points... it's
                                                    > in there and very simple to do.
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run, did
                                                    > > ok.. some
                                                    > > perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping
                                                    > > ties in the corners
                                                    > > only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will push
                                                    > > like hell
                                                    > > against a landscaping tie.
                                                    > > The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and
                                                    > > then the 2nd time
                                                    > > bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets pissed
                                                    > > and pushes real
                                                    > > hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll the
                                                    > > landscaping tie
                                                    > > over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember reading
                                                    > > about the guy here
                                                    > > with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I also need to put perimeter wire around all the
                                                    > > flower beds and
                                                    > > pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping tie
                                                    > > especially in
                                                    > > reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in
                                                    > > forward.
                                                    > > Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise by
                                                    > > sensing the
                                                    > > perimeter wire, doing a slight adjustment and then
                                                    > > continuing on
                                                    > > track along side it's last cut opposed to the bump
                                                    > > senser method.
                                                    > > With the bump sensor method Robo tries to compensate
                                                    > > the best it
                                                    > > can, as you can see it thinking but goes off at a
                                                    > > much greater angle.
                                                    > > (grass left uncut) I think if all interior flower
                                                    > > beds and pond were
                                                    > > perimeter wired, Robo would be very precise in it's
                                                    > > cutting and do a
                                                    > > lot more area. I also need to add some topsoil
                                                    > > around the maple tree
                                                    > > roots (front yard) at the perimeter wire as this
                                                    > > does throw Robo off
                                                    > > course a little in the scan mode.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I also found out that FR has Robo programed
                                                    > > automatically for a
                                                    > > postage stamp yard with very short distance entry
                                                    > > points... one
                                                    > > right off the docking station, (ok that's cool) #2
                                                    > > about 40 ft from
                                                    > > docking station and #3 about about 80 ft from DS. Of
                                                    > > course on 3
                                                    > > consecutive starts my back yard got cut real well,
                                                    > > but I wanted to
                                                    > > see how well it did in the front yard with all the
                                                    > > obsticles. Number
                                                    > > 3 entry did finally start heading up to the front
                                                    > > yard. I need to
                                                    > > changed FR's entry points if I can and figure out
                                                    > > how?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Robo worked for several hours (cutting) including
                                                    > > all the time I
                                                    > > messed with it (perimeter tests-couple times),(it
                                                    > > got stuck),
                                                    > > manually driving it back from the back yard and to
                                                    > > "go to dock" so I
                                                    > > could find the next entry point, etc.
                                                    > > I finally had to do a "stop" because it was getting
                                                    > > dark and Robo
                                                    > > was heading back to the front yard cutting but
                                                    > > ofcouse the front was
                                                    > > having the problems of ties and rocks... And I had
                                                    > > something that
                                                    > > needed to be done so I could not supervise Robo any
                                                    > > longer.. Robo
                                                    > > was still going strong!! Have no idea of operation
                                                    > > time left.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Once I get the the flower beds wired with perimeter
                                                    > > wire, I believe
                                                    > > Robo will do a great job. From what I've seen so
                                                    > > far... maybe more.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > It's 11:59pm, I'm tired, been a long day...but
                                                    > > thought you all
                                                    > > would like to know...
                                                    > > Please excuse any grammer or misspellings because
                                                    > > I've had 3
                                                    > > screwdrivers and 2 manhattens....
                                                    > > Thx,
                                                    > > Bob
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                    > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                    > > > It's normal for it to leave a few uncut blades
                                                    > > left.
                                                    > > > Keep in mind during normal mowing, the mower will
                                                    > > pass
                                                    > > > the same spot several times. If it misses it one
                                                    > > time,
                                                    > > > it'll probably get it on another pass. Another
                                                    > > thing
                                                    > > > you'll notice is after it's done, you will not
                                                    > > have
                                                    > > > those mowing stripes. Your lawn will look like a
                                                    > > "sea
                                                    > > > of grass".
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > The rules for the mower can be broken... I've
                                                    > > broken
                                                    > > > several rules with no problems at all! This is why
                                                    > > I
                                                    > > > say it's probably best to start with a larger zone
                                                    > > > then make it smaller. Also I've seen these mowers
                                                    > > mow
                                                    > > > less than 90 degrees tons of times. :)
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Keep in mind that it's a good idea to install it
                                                    > > the
                                                    > > > way you want it to work first... then as problems
                                                    > > > arise, make adjustments... you'll be surprised as
                                                    > > how
                                                    > > > much you can get away with. It takes a lot longer
                                                    > > this
                                                    > > > way because of the trail and error, but in the end
                                                    > > > you'll be happier because you're using the mower
                                                    > > to
                                                    > > > it's maximum ability. :)
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > > Clint, Here's what I've done so far this
                                                    > > morning...
                                                    > > > > Because of the
                                                    > > > > question about how far a distance from walls,
                                                    > > soft
                                                    > > > > flowerbeds etc, I
                                                    > > > > wanted to "find" the right tracking distance for
                                                    > > my
                                                    > > > > paticuliar Robo.
                                                    > > > > I also wanted to see just how this thing works
                                                    > > on
                                                    > > > > curves, angles,
                                                    > > > > mowing, operation etc. so I made a very
                                                    > > temporary
                                                    > > > > small zone.
                                                    > > > > (appox. 30 x 50 with all kinds of straights,
                                                    > > curves,
                                                    > > > > different
                                                    > > > > angled corners including one a lot less that 90
                                                    > > > > degrees)
                                                    > > > > After driving it out of my garage manually,
                                                    > > setting
                                                    > > > > country, self
                                                    > > > > compass config passed fine, and Go to Dock
                                                    > > (missed
                                                    > > > > the first time,
                                                    > > > > but backed out and redocked fine)(didn't like
                                                    > > the
                                                    > > > > peg just before
                                                    > > > > docking station sticking up some above ground
                                                    > > > > level), I gave it the
                                                    > > > > command to go cut lawn.
                                                    > > > > It beeped backed out, did the edge (I need to
                                                    > > make
                                                    > > > > that measurement
                                                    > > > > closer), even manuvered the less than 90 degree
                                                    > > > > corner with it only
                                                    > > > > having to "think" for a split second, continued
                                                    > > > > around perimeter,
                                                    > > > > then headed inside to the scan cut mode. I
                                                    > > watched
                                                    > > > > it while it cut
                                                    > > > > one way(angle) until it changed angles and
                                                    > > continued
                                                    > > > > to cut.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > I did notice it does not cut very well though
                                                    > > and
                                                    > > > > leaves taller 6-7"
                                                    > > > > single bladed or sparsley bladed grass standing.
                                                    > > Is
                                                    > > > > this common? Why
                                                    > > > > wouldn't it cut that type of grass even though
                                                    > > it
                                                    > > > > went right over it?
                                                    > > > > Any comments/suggestions?
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Having lunch now while Robo is on charge, then
                                                    > > to do
                                                    > > > > the real
                                                    > > > > perimeter wire layout...
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Bob
                                                    > > > > "Making Your Fantasy into a Reality"
                                                    > > > > > Fashion Fantasy Lingerie- Day and Night Erotic
                                                    > > > > > Attire & Accessories
                                                    > >
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                                                  • Clint D
                                                    Bob, it s best to put the pegs in damp soil. Otherwise they will break fairly easy. I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the front yard pretty good.
                                                    Message 25 of 29 , Aug 1, 2005
                                                      Bob, it's best to put the pegs in damp soil. Otherwise
                                                      they will break fairly easy.

                                                      I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the
                                                      front yard pretty good. When you say three passes, are
                                                      you meaning that just that... or are you meaning it
                                                      left the docking station and went to that section 3
                                                      times before finishing?

                                                      Keep us posted... have you had a chance to run it
                                                      again yet?




                                                      --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                                      > Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone) as
                                                      > stated in previous
                                                      > message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing "2
                                                      > zones Will this
                                                      > work)in the files section. The zone consisted of
                                                      > Front yard, Right
                                                      > side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the only
                                                      > zone it ran in.
                                                      > Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as now
                                                      > much time Robo
                                                      > ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message. A
                                                      > lot of battery
                                                      > time was wasted with several test perimeter runs,
                                                      > also stopping it
                                                      > and having it "go to dock" and also figuring entry
                                                      > points.
                                                      >
                                                      > I stopped it because I was in the garage palleting
                                                      > a new yard
                                                      > vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading for
                                                      > the front yard
                                                      > again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended up
                                                      > in that area
                                                      > because of all the problem areas. When I intercepted
                                                      > Robo, I just
                                                      > had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was
                                                      > going strong and
                                                      > cutting, so I have no idea of just how much battery
                                                      > time was left.
                                                      >
                                                      > I think a good idea for FR would be to put some
                                                      > sort of "remaining
                                                      > battery charge left" meter either on the manual
                                                      > controler or maybe
                                                      > on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and all
                                                      > other electronic
                                                      > gadgets. That way you would know just how much more
                                                      > cutting can be
                                                      > accomplished or give you the option to move Robo
                                                      > manually to an area
                                                      > that needs more attention and let it finish in the
                                                      > area before the
                                                      > battery runs out of charge.
                                                      >
                                                      > Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas that
                                                      > were cut
                                                      > completely, almost complete and not so well. I made
                                                      > a drawing
                                                      > showing what Robo did and put it in the files
                                                      > section under "1st
                                                      > attempt results".
                                                      > The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of the
                                                      > Side and part
                                                      > of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here and
                                                      > there(2passes...
                                                      > The other areas of front and side had a lot of uncut
                                                      > grass(1 pass).
                                                      > But Robo was heading straight for those areas when
                                                      > I stopped it.
                                                      > So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest
                                                      > report.
                                                      > I plan on putting down the perimeter wire around
                                                      > all flower beds
                                                      > and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor
                                                      > before I make the
                                                      > next attempt. That way Robo will start from scratch
                                                      > with
                                                      > no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to keep
                                                      > that zone at
                                                      > it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I
                                                      > think the New Robo
                                                      > has a good chance of accomplishing it.
                                                      >
                                                      > Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but also
                                                      > why Robo can
                                                      > get quite aggressive! I think it's because of the
                                                      > small degree of
                                                      > turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or bumps.
                                                      > It seems that it
                                                      > wants to track side by side(parallel) of the last
                                                      > cutting path. On
                                                      > contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops,
                                                      > makes a slight
                                                      > turning degree adjustment, changes direction and
                                                      > goes not quite 2
                                                      > feet, then makes another slight degree adjustment
                                                      > while moving
                                                      > making it mowing right next to it's last cut path.
                                                      > This operation is
                                                      > soooo gentle and precise almost flawless. However,
                                                      > when Robo bumps
                                                      > something it has to "think" for a second or so then
                                                      > you can see it
                                                      > trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't go
                                                      > at the same
                                                      > precise angle. Usually wider.
                                                      >
                                                      > I think the bummer sensers are either too high up in
                                                      > the bumper and
                                                      > from ground level especially on the back or not
                                                      > enough of them?
                                                      > Every time Robo climbed the landscaping tie and
                                                      > proceeded into the
                                                      > flowerbed it was in the reverse direction. No! the
                                                      > sensors did not
                                                      > stop Robo and neither did the landscaping ties. The
                                                      > ties are 4 1/2
                                                      > to 5" high. With those knobby tires Robo is strong!!
                                                      > Although I have the cutting height set at 3
                                                      > 1/2"(recommended by
                                                      > Scotts) and the ground clearance set at high
                                                      > (recommended by FRs
                                                      > manual). I also thought I would need the higher
                                                      > clearance because of
                                                      > Maple tree roots and a little rougher terrain in the
                                                      > back yard.
                                                      > Maybe not? I am going to experiment with that
                                                      > setting and try the
                                                      > lower one. Too bad there isn't one in between as I
                                                      > think that would
                                                      > be ideal
                                                      >
                                                      > Has anyone else experinced the pegs top breaking off
                                                      > when your
                                                      > hammering them into the ground? I broke about 15 out
                                                      > of 100 used?
                                                      >
                                                      > Bob
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                      > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                      > > Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run
                                                      > it
                                                      > > in each zone (total run time) and did it leave
                                                      > many
                                                      > > missed spots? How's the cut quality for your large
                                                      > > yard? Are you going to leave the zones as big as
                                                      > they
                                                      > > are or are you planning to reduce their size?
                                                      > >
                                                      > > They've changed the behavior of the mower when
                                                      > > bumping. The RL500 bumps then reverses and turn.
                                                      > It
                                                      > > won't bump the same spot twice... let alone 3
                                                      > times! I
                                                      > > wonder what's the purpose they changed the
                                                      > programming
                                                      > > for. The older mowers certainly aren't this
                                                      > > aggressive. Hmmm was the bumpers detecting an
                                                      > object
                                                      > > or did the landscaping tie stop the mower without
                                                      > > triggering the bumper sensors? If it stopped
                                                      > without
                                                      > > triggering bumpers, perhaps this is a good way to
                                                      > get
                                                      > > unstuck out of holes. Other than that I dont see
                                                      > why.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Check the manual for programming entry points...
                                                      > it's
                                                      > > in there and very simple to do.
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > > To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run,
                                                      > did
                                                      > > > ok.. some
                                                      > > > perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping
                                                      > > > ties in the corners
                                                      > > > only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will
                                                      > push
                                                      > > > like hell
                                                      > > > against a landscaping tie.
                                                      > > > The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and
                                                      > > > then the 2nd time
                                                      > > > bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets
                                                      > pissed
                                                      > > > and pushes real
                                                      > > > hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll
                                                      > the
                                                      > > > landscaping tie
                                                      > > > over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember
                                                      > reading
                                                      > > > about the guy here
                                                      > > > with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > I also need to put perimeter wire around all the
                                                      > > > flower beds and
                                                      > > > pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping
                                                      > tie
                                                      > > > especially in
                                                      > > > reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in
                                                      > > > forward.
                                                      > > > Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise
                                                      > by
                                                      >
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                                                    • Bob and Barbara
                                                      Clint, My soil is mostly clay and Not Moist. In the summer without much rain, my ground gets baked by the sun, has 1/4 to 3/4 cracks in it and is as hard as
                                                      Message 26 of 29 , Aug 1, 2005
                                                        Clint, My soil is mostly clay and Not Moist. In the summer without
                                                        much rain, my ground gets baked by the sun, has 1/4" to 3/4" cracks
                                                        in it and is as hard as concrete. We found an alternative to the
                                                        plastic pegs>>> metal Weed Control Fabric spikes... Works well
                                                        around tree roots also!

                                                        Looking at my drawing file you will see colored in areas. Robo cut
                                                        the back yard exceptional(fully filled in yellow) of course all the
                                                        entry points are there. Actually spent too much time back there. The
                                                        front yard was cut pretty good(semi colored in), and that one section
                                                        (I left white) was cut so so.
                                                        By "Passes" I mean the amount of times Robo actually traveled
                                                        over/cut that area.
                                                        Robo only left the docking station once, did the edge mode and then
                                                        went into the scan mode cutting the grass.
                                                        Because of previous reasons stated, I had to stop Robo manually and
                                                        send it back to Docking Station that night.

                                                        I did run it on Sunday. Watch for that new thread here.
                                                        Bob

                                                        PS: found this article today on Forbes... Good reading Material
                                                        http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/06/30/05luxrobotsland.html?
                                                        partner=netscape

                                                        I guess we are all "hobbists and high-end gadget enthusiasts". LOL




                                                        --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                        > Bob, it's best to put the pegs in damp soil. Otherwise
                                                        > they will break fairly easy.
                                                        >
                                                        > I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the
                                                        > front yard pretty good. When you say three passes, are
                                                        > you meaning that just that... or are you meaning it
                                                        > left the docking station and went to that section 3
                                                        > times before finishing?
                                                        >
                                                        > Keep us posted... have you had a chance to run it
                                                        > again yet?
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > > Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone) as
                                                        > > stated in previous
                                                        > > message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing "2
                                                        > > zones Will this
                                                        > > work)in the files section. The zone consisted of
                                                        > > Front yard, Right
                                                        > > side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the only
                                                        > > zone it ran in.
                                                        > > Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as now
                                                        > > much time Robo
                                                        > > ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message. A
                                                        > > lot of battery
                                                        > > time was wasted with several test perimeter runs,
                                                        > > also stopping it
                                                        > > and having it "go to dock" and also figuring entry
                                                        > > points.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I stopped it because I was in the garage palleting
                                                        > > a new yard
                                                        > > vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading for
                                                        > > the front yard
                                                        > > again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended up
                                                        > > in that area
                                                        > > because of all the problem areas. When I intercepted
                                                        > > Robo, I just
                                                        > > had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was
                                                        > > going strong and
                                                        > > cutting, so I have no idea of just how much battery
                                                        > > time was left.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I think a good idea for FR would be to put some
                                                        > > sort of "remaining
                                                        > > battery charge left" meter either on the manual
                                                        > > controler or maybe
                                                        > > on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and all
                                                        > > other electronic
                                                        > > gadgets. That way you would know just how much more
                                                        > > cutting can be
                                                        > > accomplished or give you the option to move Robo
                                                        > > manually to an area
                                                        > > that needs more attention and let it finish in the
                                                        > > area before the
                                                        > > battery runs out of charge.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas that
                                                        > > were cut
                                                        > > completely, almost complete and not so well. I made
                                                        > > a drawing
                                                        > > showing what Robo did and put it in the files
                                                        > > section under "1st
                                                        > > attempt results".
                                                        > > The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of the
                                                        > > Side and part
                                                        > > of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here and
                                                        > > there(2passes...
                                                        > > The other areas of front and side had a lot of uncut
                                                        > > grass(1 pass).
                                                        > > But Robo was heading straight for those areas when
                                                        > > I stopped it.
                                                        > > So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest
                                                        > > report.
                                                        > > I plan on putting down the perimeter wire around
                                                        > > all flower beds
                                                        > > and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor
                                                        > > before I make the
                                                        > > next attempt. That way Robo will start from scratch
                                                        > > with
                                                        > > no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to keep
                                                        > > that zone at
                                                        > > it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I
                                                        > > think the New Robo
                                                        > > has a good chance of accomplishing it.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but also
                                                        > > why Robo can
                                                        > > get quite aggressive! I think it's because of the
                                                        > > small degree of
                                                        > > turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or bumps.
                                                        > > It seems that it
                                                        > > wants to track side by side(parallel) of the last
                                                        > > cutting path. On
                                                        > > contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops,
                                                        > > makes a slight
                                                        > > turning degree adjustment, changes direction and
                                                        > > goes not quite 2
                                                        > > feet, then makes another slight degree adjustment
                                                        > > while moving
                                                        > > making it mowing right next to it's last cut path.
                                                        > > This operation is
                                                        > > soooo gentle and precise almost flawless. However,
                                                        > > when Robo bumps
                                                        > > something it has to "think" for a second or so then
                                                        > > you can see it
                                                        > > trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't go
                                                        > > at the same
                                                        > > precise angle. Usually wider.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I think the bummer sensers are either too high up in
                                                        > > the bumper and
                                                        > > from ground level especially on the back or not
                                                        > > enough of them?
                                                        > > Every time Robo climbed the landscaping tie and
                                                        > > proceeded into the
                                                        > > flowerbed it was in the reverse direction. No! the
                                                        > > sensors did not
                                                        > > stop Robo and neither did the landscaping ties. The
                                                        > > ties are 4 1/2
                                                        > > to 5" high. With those knobby tires Robo is strong!!
                                                        > > Although I have the cutting height set at 3
                                                        > > 1/2"(recommended by
                                                        > > Scotts) and the ground clearance set at high
                                                        > > (recommended by FRs
                                                        > > manual). I also thought I would need the higher
                                                        > > clearance because of
                                                        > > Maple tree roots and a little rougher terrain in the
                                                        > > back yard.
                                                        > > Maybe not? I am going to experiment with that
                                                        > > setting and try the
                                                        > > lower one. Too bad there isn't one in between as I
                                                        > > think that would
                                                        > > be ideal
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Has anyone else experinced the pegs top breaking off
                                                        > > when your
                                                        > > hammering them into the ground? I broke about 15 out
                                                        > > of 100 used?
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Bob
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                        > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                        > > > Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run
                                                        > > it
                                                        > > > in each zone (total run time) and did it leave
                                                        > > many
                                                        > > > missed spots? How's the cut quality for your large
                                                        > > > yard? Are you going to leave the zones as big as
                                                        > > they
                                                        > > > are or are you planning to reduce their size?
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > They've changed the behavior of the mower when
                                                        > > > bumping. The RL500 bumps then reverses and turn.
                                                        > > It
                                                        > > > won't bump the same spot twice... let alone 3
                                                        > > times! I
                                                        > > > wonder what's the purpose they changed the
                                                        > > programming
                                                        > > > for. The older mowers certainly aren't this
                                                        > > > aggressive. Hmmm was the bumpers detecting an
                                                        > > object
                                                        > > > or did the landscaping tie stop the mower without
                                                        > > > triggering the bumper sensors? If it stopped
                                                        > > without
                                                        > > > triggering bumpers, perhaps this is a good way to
                                                        > > get
                                                        > > > unstuck out of holes. Other than that I dont see
                                                        > > why.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Check the manual for programming entry points...
                                                        > > it's
                                                        > > > in there and very simple to do.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > > To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run,
                                                        > > did
                                                        > > > > ok.. some
                                                        > > > > perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping
                                                        > > > > ties in the corners
                                                        > > > > only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will
                                                        > > push
                                                        > > > > like hell
                                                        > > > > against a landscaping tie.
                                                        > > > > The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and
                                                        > > > > then the 2nd time
                                                        > > > > bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets
                                                        > > pissed
                                                        > > > > and pushes real
                                                        > > > > hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll
                                                        > > the
                                                        > > > > landscaping tie
                                                        > > > > over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember
                                                        > > reading
                                                        > > > > about the guy here
                                                        > > > > with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > I also need to put perimeter wire around all the
                                                        > > > > flower beds and
                                                        > > > > pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping
                                                        > > tie
                                                        > > > > especially in
                                                        > > > > reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in
                                                        > > > > forward.
                                                        > > > > Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise
                                                        > > by
                                                        > >
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                                                      • Clint D
                                                        Bob, have you figured out how to tell the mower what time you want it to mow yet? Have you setup the correct entry points for your zones yet? Our soil here is
                                                        Message 27 of 29 , Aug 1, 2005
                                                          Bob, have you figured out how to tell the mower what
                                                          time you want it to mow yet? Have you setup the
                                                          correct entry points for your zones yet?

                                                          Our soil here is clay as well. All it takes is a few
                                                          weeks with no rain and it's cracking too. You may want
                                                          to water your lawn before putting down the stakes. I
                                                          find that with wet clay, I rarely needed to hammer
                                                          them in. They sunk straight by pushing. :)



                                                          --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:

                                                          > Clint, My soil is mostly clay and Not Moist. In the
                                                          > summer without
                                                          > much rain, my ground gets baked by the sun, has 1/4"
                                                          > to 3/4" cracks
                                                          > in it and is as hard as concrete. We found an
                                                          > alternative to the
                                                          > plastic pegs>>> metal Weed Control Fabric spikes...
                                                          > Works well
                                                          > around tree roots also!
                                                          >
                                                          > Looking at my drawing file you will see colored in
                                                          > areas. Robo cut
                                                          > the back yard exceptional(fully filled in yellow) of
                                                          > course all the
                                                          > entry points are there. Actually spent too much time
                                                          > back there. The
                                                          > front yard was cut pretty good(semi colored in), and
                                                          > that one section
                                                          > (I left white) was cut so so.
                                                          > By "Passes" I mean the amount of times Robo
                                                          > actually traveled
                                                          > over/cut that area.
                                                          > Robo only left the docking station once, did the
                                                          > edge mode and then
                                                          > went into the scan mode cutting the grass.
                                                          > Because of previous reasons stated, I had to stop
                                                          > Robo manually and
                                                          > send it back to Docking Station that night.
                                                          >
                                                          > I did run it on Sunday. Watch for that new thread
                                                          > here.
                                                          > Bob
                                                          >
                                                          > PS: found this article today on Forbes... Good
                                                          > reading Material
                                                          >
                                                          http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/06/30/05luxrobotsland.html?
                                                          > partner=netscape
                                                          >
                                                          > I guess we are all "hobbists and high-end gadget
                                                          > enthusiasts". LOL
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                          > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                          > > Bob, it's best to put the pegs in damp soil.
                                                          > Otherwise
                                                          > > they will break fairly easy.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the
                                                          > > front yard pretty good. When you say three passes,
                                                          > are
                                                          > > you meaning that just that... or are you meaning
                                                          > it
                                                          > > left the docking station and went to that section
                                                          > 3
                                                          > > times before finishing?
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Keep us posted... have you had a chance to run it
                                                          > > again yet?
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > > > Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone)
                                                          > as
                                                          > > > stated in previous
                                                          > > > message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing
                                                          > "2
                                                          > > > zones Will this
                                                          > > > work)in the files section. The zone consisted of
                                                          > > > Front yard, Right
                                                          > > > side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the
                                                          > only
                                                          > > > zone it ran in.
                                                          > > > Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as
                                                          > now
                                                          > > > much time Robo
                                                          > > > ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message.
                                                          > A
                                                          > > > lot of battery
                                                          > > > time was wasted with several test perimeter
                                                          > runs,
                                                          > > > also stopping it
                                                          > > > and having it "go to dock" and also figuring
                                                          > entry
                                                          > > > points.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I stopped it because I was in the garage
                                                          > palleting
                                                          > > > a new yard
                                                          > > > vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading
                                                          > for
                                                          > > > the front yard
                                                          > > > again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended
                                                          > up
                                                          > > > in that area
                                                          > > > because of all the problem areas. When I
                                                          > intercepted
                                                          > > > Robo, I just
                                                          > > > had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was
                                                          > > > going strong and
                                                          > > > cutting, so I have no idea of just how much
                                                          > battery
                                                          > > > time was left.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I think a good idea for FR would be to put some
                                                          > > > sort of "remaining
                                                          > > > battery charge left" meter either on the manual
                                                          > > > controler or maybe
                                                          > > > on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and
                                                          > all
                                                          > > > other electronic
                                                          > > > gadgets. That way you would know just how much
                                                          > more
                                                          > > > cutting can be
                                                          > > > accomplished or give you the option to move Robo
                                                          > > > manually to an area
                                                          > > > that needs more attention and let it finish in
                                                          > the
                                                          > > > area before the
                                                          > > > battery runs out of charge.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas
                                                          > that
                                                          > > > were cut
                                                          > > > completely, almost complete and not so well. I
                                                          > made
                                                          > > > a drawing
                                                          > > > showing what Robo did and put it in the files
                                                          > > > section under "1st
                                                          > > > attempt results".
                                                          > > > The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of
                                                          > the
                                                          > > > Side and part
                                                          > > > of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here
                                                          > and
                                                          > > > there(2passes...
                                                          > > > The other areas of front and side had a lot of
                                                          > uncut
                                                          > > > grass(1 pass).
                                                          > > > But Robo was heading straight for those areas
                                                          > when
                                                          > > > I stopped it.
                                                          > > > So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest
                                                          > > > report.
                                                          > > > I plan on putting down the perimeter wire
                                                          > around
                                                          > > > all flower beds
                                                          > > > and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor
                                                          > > > before I make the
                                                          > > > next attempt. That way Robo will start from
                                                          > scratch
                                                          > > > with
                                                          > > > no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to
                                                          > keep
                                                          > > > that zone at
                                                          > > > it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I
                                                          > > > think the New Robo
                                                          > > > has a good chance of accomplishing it.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but
                                                          > also
                                                          > > > why Robo can
                                                          > > > get quite aggressive! I think it's because of
                                                          > the
                                                          > > > small degree of
                                                          > > > turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or
                                                          > bumps.
                                                          > > > It seems that it
                                                          > > > wants to track side by side(parallel) of the
                                                          > last
                                                          > > > cutting path. On
                                                          > > > contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops,
                                                          > > > makes a slight
                                                          > > > turning degree adjustment, changes direction and
                                                          > > > goes not quite 2
                                                          > > > feet, then makes another slight degree
                                                          > adjustment
                                                          > > > while moving
                                                          > > > making it mowing right next to it's last cut
                                                          > path.
                                                          > > > This operation is
                                                          > > > soooo gentle and precise almost flawless.
                                                          > However,
                                                          > > > when Robo bumps
                                                          > > > something it has to "think" for a second or so
                                                          > then
                                                          > > > you can see it
                                                          > > > trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't
                                                          > go
                                                          > > > at the same
                                                          > > > precise angle. Usually wider.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I think the bummer sensers are either too high
                                                          > up in
                                                          > > > the bumper and
                                                          > > > from ground level especially on the back or not
                                                          >
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                                                        • Bob and Barbara
                                                          Clint, Yes, I read about programing times in, but need to address a couple perimeter wire clearance areas yet(especially in corners) before I go fully
                                                          Message 28 of 29 , Aug 1, 2005
                                                            Clint, Yes, I read about programing times in, but need to address a
                                                            couple perimeter wire clearance areas yet(especially in corners)
                                                            before I go fully automatic. Pushing the "Go button" is not really
                                                            that involved.. LOL

                                                            No, I haven't but I am going to do that now since this last test
                                                            run. Read post "Oh Oh, Houston we have a problem". I think there's a
                                                            lot of info you and maybe others were waiting for.

                                                            Our clay is already getting hard. Not much rain and seering Heat.
                                                            Bob


                                                            --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                            > Bob, have you figured out how to tell the mower what
                                                            > time you want it to mow yet? Have you setup the
                                                            > correct entry points for your zones yet?
                                                            >
                                                            > Our soil here is clay as well. All it takes is a few
                                                            > weeks with no rain and it's cracking too. You may want
                                                            > to water your lawn before putting down the stakes. I
                                                            > find that with wet clay, I rarely needed to hammer
                                                            > them in. They sunk straight by pushing. :)
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > > Clint, My soil is mostly clay and Not Moist. In the
                                                            > > summer without
                                                            > > much rain, my ground gets baked by the sun, has 1/4"
                                                            > > to 3/4" cracks
                                                            > > in it and is as hard as concrete. We found an
                                                            > > alternative to the
                                                            > > plastic pegs>>> metal Weed Control Fabric spikes...
                                                            > > Works well
                                                            > > around tree roots also!
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Looking at my drawing file you will see colored in
                                                            > > areas. Robo cut
                                                            > > the back yard exceptional(fully filled in yellow) of
                                                            > > course all the
                                                            > > entry points are there. Actually spent too much time
                                                            > > back there. The
                                                            > > front yard was cut pretty good(semi colored in), and
                                                            > > that one section
                                                            > > (I left white) was cut so so.
                                                            > > By "Passes" I mean the amount of times Robo
                                                            > > actually traveled
                                                            > > over/cut that area.
                                                            > > Robo only left the docking station once, did the
                                                            > > edge mode and then
                                                            > > went into the scan mode cutting the grass.
                                                            > > Because of previous reasons stated, I had to stop
                                                            > > Robo manually and
                                                            > > send it back to Docking Station that night.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > I did run it on Sunday. Watch for that new thread
                                                            > > here.
                                                            > > Bob
                                                            > >
                                                            > > PS: found this article today on Forbes... Good
                                                            > > reading Material
                                                            > >
                                                            > http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2005/06/30/05luxrobotsland.html?
                                                            > > partner=netscape
                                                            > >
                                                            > > I guess we are all "hobbists and high-end gadget
                                                            > > enthusiasts". LOL
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                            > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                            > > > Bob, it's best to put the pegs in damp soil.
                                                            > > Otherwise
                                                            > > > they will break fairly easy.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the
                                                            > > > front yard pretty good. When you say three passes,
                                                            > > are
                                                            > > > you meaning that just that... or are you meaning
                                                            > > it
                                                            > > > left the docking station and went to that section
                                                            > > 3
                                                            > > > times before finishing?
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Keep us posted... have you had a chance to run it
                                                            > > > again yet?
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > > Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone)
                                                            > > as
                                                            > > > > stated in previous
                                                            > > > > message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing
                                                            > > "2
                                                            > > > > zones Will this
                                                            > > > > work)in the files section. The zone consisted of
                                                            > > > > Front yard, Right
                                                            > > > > side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the
                                                            > > only
                                                            > > > > zone it ran in.
                                                            > > > > Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as
                                                            > > now
                                                            > > > > much time Robo
                                                            > > > > ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message.
                                                            > > A
                                                            > > > > lot of battery
                                                            > > > > time was wasted with several test perimeter
                                                            > > runs,
                                                            > > > > also stopping it
                                                            > > > > and having it "go to dock" and also figuring
                                                            > > entry
                                                            > > > > points.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I stopped it because I was in the garage
                                                            > > palleting
                                                            > > > > a new yard
                                                            > > > > vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading
                                                            > > for
                                                            > > > > the front yard
                                                            > > > > again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended
                                                            > > up
                                                            > > > > in that area
                                                            > > > > because of all the problem areas. When I
                                                            > > intercepted
                                                            > > > > Robo, I just
                                                            > > > > had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was
                                                            > > > > going strong and
                                                            > > > > cutting, so I have no idea of just how much
                                                            > > battery
                                                            > > > > time was left.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I think a good idea for FR would be to put some
                                                            > > > > sort of "remaining
                                                            > > > > battery charge left" meter either on the manual
                                                            > > > > controler or maybe
                                                            > > > > on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and
                                                            > > all
                                                            > > > > other electronic
                                                            > > > > gadgets. That way you would know just how much
                                                            > > more
                                                            > > > > cutting can be
                                                            > > > > accomplished or give you the option to move Robo
                                                            > > > > manually to an area
                                                            > > > > that needs more attention and let it finish in
                                                            > > the
                                                            > > > > area before the
                                                            > > > > battery runs out of charge.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas
                                                            > > that
                                                            > > > > were cut
                                                            > > > > completely, almost complete and not so well. I
                                                            > > made
                                                            > > > > a drawing
                                                            > > > > showing what Robo did and put it in the files
                                                            > > > > section under "1st
                                                            > > > > attempt results".
                                                            > > > > The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of
                                                            > > the
                                                            > > > > Side and part
                                                            > > > > of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here
                                                            > > and
                                                            > > > > there(2passes...
                                                            > > > > The other areas of front and side had a lot of
                                                            > > uncut
                                                            > > > > grass(1 pass).
                                                            > > > > But Robo was heading straight for those areas
                                                            > > when
                                                            > > > > I stopped it.
                                                            > > > > So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest
                                                            > > > > report.
                                                            > > > > I plan on putting down the perimeter wire
                                                            > > around
                                                            > > > > all flower beds
                                                            > > > > and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor
                                                            > > > > before I make the
                                                            > > > > next attempt. That way Robo will start from
                                                            > > scratch
                                                            > > > > with
                                                            > > > > no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to
                                                            > > keep
                                                            > > > > that zone at
                                                            > > > > it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I
                                                            > > > > think the New Robo
                                                            > > > > has a good chance of accomplishing it.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but
                                                            > > also
                                                            > > > > why Robo can
                                                            > > > > get quite aggressive! I think it's because of
                                                            > > the
                                                            > > > > small degree of
                                                            > > > > turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or
                                                            > > bumps.
                                                            > > > > It seems that it
                                                            > > > > wants to track side by side(parallel) of the
                                                            > > last
                                                            > > > > cutting path. On
                                                            > > > > contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops,
                                                            > > > > makes a slight
                                                            > > > > turning degree adjustment, changes direction and
                                                            > > > > goes not quite 2
                                                            > > > > feet, then makes another slight degree
                                                            > > adjustment
                                                            > > > > while moving
                                                            > > > > making it mowing right next to it's last cut
                                                            > > path.
                                                            > > > > This operation is
                                                            > > > > soooo gentle and precise almost flawless.
                                                            > > However,
                                                            > > > > when Robo bumps
                                                            > > > > something it has to "think" for a second or so
                                                            > > then
                                                            > > > > you can see it
                                                            > > > > trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't
                                                            > > go
                                                            > > > > at the same
                                                            > > > > precise angle. Usually wider.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I think the bummer sensers are either too high
                                                            > > up in
                                                            > > > > the bumper and
                                                            > > > > from ground level especially on the back or not
                                                            > >
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                                                          • Dan Barclay
                                                            Damp soil is best, but sometimes there are just hard places anyway. I have an old drive bed from a house that was on the lot previously. It was a good one
                                                            Message 29 of 29 , Aug 1, 2005
                                                              Damp soil is best, but sometimes there are just "hard places" anyway. I
                                                              have an old drive bed from a house that was on the lot previously. It was a
                                                              good one apparently<g>. A cordless drill with a long bit is good for
                                                              drilling pilot holes in very hard ground. Use a masonary bit or an old bit
                                                              you don't intend to use on anything useful again<g>.

                                                              As to breaking pegs, I've found there are more than one type of peg. The
                                                              "new" pegs that came with my mower are about perfect. They are flexible
                                                              enough that they don't "break", though they will bend if you hit them hard
                                                              enough. I also ran across some very brittle pegs I bought online. Those
                                                              are fine in soft ground, but break easily if you look at them wrong. The
                                                              brittle pegs came in bags with a paper tag at the top, apparently older
                                                              stuff. I've since bought some others online and they were fine.

                                                              FWIW, I also pegged out another zone yesterday afternoon. I don't have the
                                                              dimensions handy, but I can tell you that you can ask too much of the
                                                              mowers. I started the mowers after dark, dew starting to form, and the St
                                                              Augustine grass (well watered and fertilized) was higher than the mower
                                                              wheels. The mowers worked fine in forward, but when they tried backing over
                                                              the heavy stuff they'd climb on top of the grass and the wheels would
                                                              spin<lol>. I manually mowed stripes in the heaviest grass using only
                                                              forward, then turned them loose again and they managed to keep going.

                                                              Dan




                                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                                              > From: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RoboMower@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                              > Behalf Of Clint D
                                                              > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:55 AM
                                                              > To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
                                                              > Subject: Re: [RoboMower] Re: My Robo is here!!
                                                              >
                                                              > Bob, it's best to put the pegs in damp soil. Otherwise
                                                              > they will break fairly easy.
                                                              >
                                                              > I looked at your file and I see that it mowed the
                                                              > front yard pretty good. When you say three passes, are
                                                              > you meaning that just that... or are you meaning it
                                                              > left the docking station and went to that section 3
                                                              > times before finishing?
                                                              >
                                                              > Keep us posted... have you had a chance to run it
                                                              > again yet?
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@...> wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              > > Clint, I only made the one zone (Docking zone) as
                                                              > > stated in previous
                                                              > > message... 11,200 square feet total (see drawing "2
                                                              > > zones Will this
                                                              > > work)in the files section. The zone consisted of
                                                              > > Front yard, Right
                                                              > > side yard, and Partial Back yard. This was the only
                                                              > > zone it ran in.
                                                              > > Reread my post #7733 from last night as far as now
                                                              > > much time Robo
                                                              > > ran. It's the 4th paragraph down in the message. A
                                                              > > lot of battery
                                                              > > time was wasted with several test perimeter runs,
                                                              > > also stopping it
                                                              > > and having it "go to dock" and also figuring entry
                                                              > > points.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I stopped it because I was in the garage palleting
                                                              > > a new yard
                                                              > > vaccum for return and noticed Robo was heading for
                                                              > > the front yard
                                                              > > again. I couldn't leave Robo cutting unattended up
                                                              > > in that area
                                                              > > because of all the problem areas. When I intercepted
                                                              > > Robo, I just
                                                              > > had it "go to dock" for the night. It still was
                                                              > > going strong and
                                                              > > cutting, so I have no idea of just how much battery
                                                              > > time was left.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I think a good idea for FR would be to put some
                                                              > > sort of "remaining
                                                              > > battery charge left" meter either on the manual
                                                              > > controler or maybe
                                                              > > on Robo itself. Like we have on cell phones and all
                                                              > > other electronic
                                                              > > gadgets. That way you would know just how much more
                                                              > > cutting can be
                                                              > > accomplished or give you the option to move Robo
                                                              > > manually to an area
                                                              > > that needs more attention and let it finish in the
                                                              > > area before the
                                                              > > battery runs out of charge.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Since I didn't let Robo finish, I have areas that
                                                              > > were cut
                                                              > > completely, almost complete and not so well. I made
                                                              > > a drawing
                                                              > > showing what Robo did and put it in the files
                                                              > > section under "1st
                                                              > > attempt results".
                                                              > > The back was cut completely(3 passes)... Part of the
                                                              > > Side and part
                                                              > > of Front was cut mostly with a few patches here and
                                                              > > there(2passes...
                                                              > > The other areas of front and side had a lot of uncut
                                                              > > grass(1 pass).
                                                              > > But Robo was heading straight for those areas when
                                                              > > I stopped it.
                                                              > > So??, Don't know and can't give you an honest
                                                              > > report.
                                                              > > I plan on putting down the perimeter wire around
                                                              > > all flower beds
                                                              > > and cutting the whole lawn with my lawn tractor
                                                              > > before I make the
                                                              > > next attempt. That way Robo will start from scratch
                                                              > > with
                                                              > > no "bumping/pushing/climbing" issues. I plan to keep
                                                              > > that zone at
                                                              > > it's present size.. From what I've seen so far I
                                                              > > think the New Robo
                                                              > > has a good chance of accomplishing it.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Clint, I have an idea of why the programing but also
                                                              > > why Robo can
                                                              > > get quite aggressive! I think it's because of the
                                                              > > small degree of
                                                              > > turn when it comes to the perimeter wire or bumps.
                                                              > > It seems that it
                                                              > > wants to track side by side(parallel) of the last
                                                              > > cutting path. On
                                                              > > contact with the the perimeter wire, Robo stops,
                                                              > > makes a slight
                                                              > > turning degree adjustment, changes direction and
                                                              > > goes not quite 2
                                                              > > feet, then makes another slight degree adjustment
                                                              > > while moving
                                                              > > making it mowing right next to it's last cut path.
                                                              > > This operation is
                                                              > > soooo gentle and precise almost flawless. However,
                                                              > > when Robo bumps
                                                              > > something it has to "think" for a second or so then
                                                              > > you can see it
                                                              > > trying to compensate the best it can but doesn't go
                                                              > > at the same
                                                              > > precise angle. Usually wider.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I think the bummer sensers are either too high up in
                                                              > > the bumper and
                                                              > > from ground level especially on the back or not
                                                              > > enough of them?
                                                              > > Every time Robo climbed the landscaping tie and
                                                              > > proceeded into the
                                                              > > flowerbed it was in the reverse direction. No! the
                                                              > > sensors did not
                                                              > > stop Robo and neither did the landscaping ties. The
                                                              > > ties are 4 1/2
                                                              > > to 5" high. With those knobby tires Robo is strong!!
                                                              > > Although I have the cutting height set at 3
                                                              > > 1/2"(recommended by
                                                              > > Scotts) and the ground clearance set at high
                                                              > > (recommended by FRs
                                                              > > manual). I also thought I would need the higher
                                                              > > clearance because of
                                                              > > Maple tree roots and a little rougher terrain in the
                                                              > > back yard.
                                                              > > Maybe not? I am going to experiment with that
                                                              > > setting and try the
                                                              > > lower one. Too bad there isn't one in between as I
                                                              > > think that would
                                                              > > be ideal
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Has anyone else experinced the pegs top breaking off
                                                              > > when your
                                                              > > hammering them into the ground? I broke about 15 out
                                                              > > of 100 used?
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Bob
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
                                                              > > <clintd555@y...> wrote:
                                                              > > > Bob, how big were your zones? How long did you run
                                                              > > it
                                                              > > > in each zone (total run time) and did it leave
                                                              > > many
                                                              > > > missed spots? How's the cut quality for your large
                                                              > > > yard? Are you going to leave the zones as big as
                                                              > > they
                                                              > > > are or are you planning to reduce their size?
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > They've changed the behavior of the mower when
                                                              > > > bumping. The RL500 bumps then reverses and turn.
                                                              > > It
                                                              > > > won't bump the same spot twice... let alone 3
                                                              > > times! I
                                                              > > > wonder what's the purpose they changed the
                                                              > > programming
                                                              > > > for. The older mowers certainly aren't this
                                                              > > > aggressive. Hmmm was the bumpers detecting an
                                                              > > object
                                                              > > > or did the landscaping tie stop the mower without
                                                              > > > triggering the bumper sensors? If it stopped
                                                              > > without
                                                              > > > triggering bumpers, perhaps this is a good way to
                                                              > > get
                                                              > > > unstuck out of holes. Other than that I dont see
                                                              > > why.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Check the manual for programming entry points...
                                                              > > it's
                                                              > > > in there and very simple to do.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@a...> wrote:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > > To Clint and Dan: Ok, thanks... First trial run,
                                                              > > did
                                                              > > > > ok.. some
                                                              > > > > perimeter wire too close to wall and landscaping
                                                              > > > > ties in the corners
                                                              > > > > only (got to make some adjustments). Robo will
                                                              > > push
                                                              > > > > like hell
                                                              > > > > against a landscaping tie.
                                                              > > > > The first time it bumps it gently, backs up and
                                                              > > > > then the 2nd time
                                                              > > > > bumps it harder, then the 3rd time Robo gets
                                                              > > pissed
                                                              > > > > and pushes real
                                                              > > > > hard!! enough to move it out of the way or roll
                                                              > > the
                                                              > > > > landscaping tie
                                                              > > > > over. Who's BOSS Now!! LOL.... I remember
                                                              > > reading
                                                              > > > > about the guy here
                                                              > > > > with that stone wall.. He wasn't lying..
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > I also need to put perimeter wire around all the
                                                              > > > > flower beds and
                                                              > > > > pond. I found that Robo will climb a landscaping
                                                              > > tie
                                                              > > > > especially in
                                                              > > > > reverse and push rocks even in the scan mode in
                                                              > > > > forward.
                                                              > > > > Also Watching I found Robo to be very precise
                                                              > > by
                                                              > >
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