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RE: [RoboMower] Re: Finding/marking your perimeter wire

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  • Dan Barclay
    Mine are 2005, and one of them was replaced this year because the panel leaked and it filled with water so it s only a month or two old. I agree it would be
    Message 1 of 22 , Oct 1, 2006
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      Mine are 2005, and one of them was replaced this year because the panel
      leaked and it filled with water so it's only a month or two old.

      I agree it would be very helpful if they could recognize their own wire as
      well as their own dock.

      Dan

      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RoboMower@yahoogroups.com] On
      > Behalf Of Bob and Barbara
      > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:05 PM
      > To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [RoboMower] Re: Finding/marking your perimeter wire
      >
      > Dan, I find it interesting that your wire stays "On" after docking.
      > Both of mine shuts down in about a minute or two after Robos dock.
      > What year docking boards do you have? Mine are 2004 and 2005.
      >
      > I have those 3 lines around the perimeter also. My 2 robos each run
      > Thurs, Fri, Sun, Mon....
      >
      >
      > Don't know about recognizing their own docks, but would be Very
      > Helpful if you could have them recognize a different perimter wire
      > signal. Say for instance maybe 3 or 4 different coded perimter
      > signals.
      > Why?? Not only because I am tring to get 2 Robos to mow my lawn at
      > the same time without cross interference but.....
      >
      > Say hypothecally I have only 1 robo, my neighbor on the left side
      > likes it and gets one, then the neighbor on the right side gets one.
      > Now you have a scheduling nightmare or risk having robos doing all
      > sorts of weird things and/or cutting your neighbors lawn!!
      > It would be nice if FR could incorporate 3-4 distinctive codes on
      > the perimeter signal that you could select from the one you want.
      >
      > Bob
      >
      >
      > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Barclay" <Dan@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > I was considering this same thing (running two docking mowers on
      > the same
      > > perimeter). I haven't decided how I want to handle it yet.
      > >
      > > As you mentioned, the wire stays "On" after docking. The problem
      > is with
      > > scheduling start times, and keeping the "first" one in the dock
      > driving the
      > > wire.
      > >
      > > Example: Mower 1 (M1) departs dock 1 (D1) at start time. D1
      > turns the wire
      > > on. Then have M2 depart D2 five minutes later.
      > >
      > > Instead of mowing MAX, you can set mow times to be sure one
      > finishes before
      > > the other, but it doesn't really matter. Whichever one finishes
      > first will
      > > dock in the first one it comes to. The other will eventually find
      > the other
      > > dock.
      > >
      > > Let's say M1 finishes first (by design or by chance, it doesn't
      > matter) and
      > > the first dock it comes to is D2. So M2 eventually finds and
      > docks at D1.
      > >
      > > Now the start time comes up again. M1 departs D2. D1 doesn't
      > know this so
      > > doesn't drive the wire. M1 quits with "no wire signal". M2 will
      > mow when
      > > it starts. It may or may not find D1 again when it finishes (now
      > it's got
      > > both a mower and a dock as obstructions and may not find its way
      > around
      > > them).
      > >
      > > Of course, another problem is the tire tracks. Another mower
      > going over the
      > > perimeter will only make tracking worse. If you don't know what I
      > mean then
      > > you're probably not scheduling the mower very often (fully
      > schedule the
      > > mower before adding a second one). I'm starting to see the "three
      > lines" in
      > > the grass around the perimeter, particularly where the ground is a
      > little
      > > wet or soft. I'm not sure what to do about that yet.
      > >
      > > The only thing I've come up with is to have a small "docking area"
      > (10x10 or
      > > so) for D2 which feeds M2 into a separate mowing zone via long
      > tunnel.
      > > You'd have to schedule so that the perimeter wires are never on at
      > the same
      > > time (offset schedules by more than 5 or 6 hours).
      > >
      > > It would be really helpful if the mowers could recognize their own
      > docks.
      > >
      > > Dan
      > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:RoboMower@yahoogroups.com] On
      > > > Behalf Of Austin Morgan
      > > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:04 PM
      > > > To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: Re: [RoboMower] Re: Finding/marking your perimeter wire
      > > >
      > > > Bob,
      > > > You are correct, you would have to stagger their departure
      > times to
      > > > handle
      > > > one robots accidental finding the docking station of the other.
      > Both
      > > > docking
      > > > stations of course would have to be mounted over the same wire.
      > When #1
      > > > runs
      > > > into #2 it will go around, #2 undocks goes around finds #1's
      > base and then
      > > > you
      > > > will have to make your entry points for both robots in respect
      > to #1's
      > > > base.
      > > > It may not work, but I think it might.
      > > > I don't know about yours, but I noticed that my docking
      > station emitted
      > > > the
      > > > perimeter signal for the full 5 hours of a normal perimeter
      > switch. It
      > > > did
      > > > not stop after the unit docked. It was one of the strange
      > things I
      > > > noticed
      > > > about the docking system. I just replaced the circuit in my
      > docking
      > > > station so
      > > > I will have to check to make sure that is still correct.
      > > >
      > > > Austin Morgan
      > > >
      > > > Bob and Barbara (eventtravelers@...) wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Austin, HUH?? Totally confused...
      > > > >
      > > > > How will robo #2(Burgundy) depart or find it's way back to the
      > > > > (short loop)docking station?
      > > > >
      > > > > Since Robos don't mow for the exact amount of time.. What if
      > Robo #1
      > > > > (Gold) ends first and goes back to it's docking station
      > (perimeter
      > > > > wired) and therefore shuts off the signal within a minute or
      > so,
      > > > > Then Robo2(Burgundy) will be shut down in the middle of the
      > lawn
      > > > > somewhere. Right?? Or am I missing something here?
      > > > >
      > > > > Bob
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Austin Morgan <admorgan@>
      > wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Bob,
      > > > > > Why don't you set it up so only one base station is
      > connected
      > > > > to the
      > > > > > wires? The other base station has a short loop to make it
      > think
      > > > > it has
      > > > > > a perimeter wire connected to it and they are both scheduled
      > to
      > > > > mow at
      > > > > > the same time of day. This would eliminate the cross talk
      > issue
      > > > > and you
      > > > > > won't have to move any wires.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Austin Morgan
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Bob and Barbara wrote:
      > > > > > > Clint, Too close 12" :-) I need to move them apart some
      > but
      > > > > haven't
      > > > > > > had the time yet. Hey at least I don't have that "uncut
      > strip"
      > > > > down
      > > > > > > the middle.. hehe
      > > > > > > Those wires were layed down when I had only 1 Robo RL1000
      > and
      > > > > the
      > > > > > > yard set up in 2 zones with 4 entry points. Since then I
      > got the
      > > > > 2nd
      > > > > > > Robo RL1000 and just installed the docking station on the
      > other
      > > > > zone
      > > > > > > without changing the wire. All I did was eliminated the
      > tunnel
      > > > > > > between the 2 sides of the yard.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I need to figure out a good distance so that I don't have
      > the
      > > > > uncut
      > > > > > > strip, but far enough apart so that both robos can cut at
      > the
      > > > > same
      > > > > > > time without the 2 perimeters interfering with each other.
      > Any
      > > > > > > suggestions?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Right now I can't have both running at the same
      > time..bummer :-(
      > > > > > > They either go backwards on the others perimeter wire, go
      > into
      > > > > a
      > > > > > > circle of death at the wires or have jumped into the others
      > > > > > > territory.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Bob
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D <clintd555@>
      > wrote:
      > > > > > >> Bob, whats the distance between your wires on photo
      > > > > > >> "MVC-005S.JPG"?
      > > > > > >>
      > > > > > >>
      > > > > > >>
      > > > > > >>
      > > > > > >> --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@> wrote:
      > > > > > >>
      > > > > > >>> Clint, I actually didn't think about video taping it
      > > > > > >>> because wanted
      > > > > > >>> to get it done by last night. The company was to be
      > > > > > >>> here first thing
      > > > > > >>> in the morning(8-8:30). The lines were white and
      > > > > > >>> bright today and No
      > > > > > >>> problem seeing them.
      > > > > > >>>
      > > > > > >>> When they finished I checked both perimeter wires
      > > > > > >>> and everything was
      > > > > > >>> fine. So I guess that did the job. <g>
      > > > > > >>>
      > > > > > >>> Bob
      > > > > > >>>
      > > > > > >>>
      > > > > > >>>
      > > > > > >>> --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Clint D
      > > > > > >>> <clintd555@> wrote:
      > > > > > >>>> Bob, I wish you would have shot some video of that
      > > > > > >>> and
      > > > > > >>>> uploaded it to google's free video server. :-)
      > > > > > >>>>
      > > > > > >>>>
      > > > > > >>>>
      > > > > > >>>>
      > > > > > >>>> --- Bob and Barbara <eventtravelers@> wrote:
      > > > > > >>>>
      > > > > > >>>>> Hi, I have a company coming today to do a core
      > > > > > >>>>> aeration on my lawn.
      > > > > > >>>>> Since I didn't want them cutting my perimeter
      > > > > > >>> wire
      > > > > > >>>>> like I have read
      > > > > > >>>>> on here I marked all my wires before they
      > > > > > >>> arrived.
      > > > > > >>>>> Here is a little trick I came up with.
      > > > > > >>>>> Mount a large funnel on the front of Robo with
      > > > > > >>> the
      > > > > > >>>>> spout sticking
      > > > > > >>>>> down through the front lifting hand hole.
      > > > > > >>> (Gallon
      > > > > > >>>>> milk jug with a
      > > > > > >>>>> tube in the cap would work also) I centered it
      > > > > > >>> by
      > > > > > >>>>> squeezing
      > > > > > >>>>> styrofoam on each side of the funnel and used 2
      > > > > > >>>>> bungy cords to hold
      > > > > > >>>>> it upright in place.
      > > > > > >>>>> I mixed a slurry of white lime and water in a 5
      > > > > > >>>>> gallon bucket. Then
      > > > > > >>>>> I gave robo a "Go to Dock" command and as he was
      > > > > > >>>>> following the wire
      > > > > > >>>>> I poured the lime slurry in the container. The
      > > > > > >>>>> slurry was slowly
      > > > > > >>>>> running out the bottom right over the perimeter
      > > > > > >>>>> wire. The front
      > > > > > >>>>> wheel disapated the liquid and made the line
      > > > > > >>> nice
      > > > > > >>>>> and wide so it was
      > > > > > >>>>> easy to see.
      > > > > > >>>>> I did the same with the inside islands also.
      > > > > > >>> When
      > > > > > >>>>> dry it looked
      > > > > > >>>>> like white lines on a football field.
      > > > > > >>>>> Once it rains the lime lines will disappear.
      > > > > > >>>>>
      > > > > > >>>>> I guess this would work good for finding wires
      > > > > > >>> under
      > > > > > >>>>> the grass that
      > > > > > >>>>> you may want to move in the future.
      > > > > > >>>>>
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