Re: Mrs. Loring
>Could someone point me in a direction where I can find more aboutAll I know of her is that she was the wife of Joshua Loring, a
>Mrs Loring and not her appearance in Hopkinson's ditty.
refugee from Boston, made commissary of prisoners by General Howe.
There was a comment from the period implying that Mrs. Loring's
favors were given in return for that appointment for her husband,
something to the effect of Loring "enjoyed the money, whilst the
General enjoyed madam." Someone may be able to provide the full and
- Joseph Ruckman wrote:
<<>Could someone point me in a direction where I can find more about
>Mrs Loring and not her appearance in Hopkinson's ditty.All I know of her is that she was the wife of Joshua Loring, a refugee from
Boston, made commissary of prisoners by General Howe. There was a comment
from the period implying that Mrs. Loring's favors were given in return for
that appointment for her husband, something to the effect of Loring
"enjoyed the money, whilst the General enjoyed madam." Someone may be able
to provide the full and proper quote.>>
This would be the wife of Joshua Loring Jr, born in 1744. His father was
active in the Great Lakes during the French & Indian War, and therefore
locally referred to as "the Commodore." In 1774 London appointed the elder
Loring to the new, unelected provincial Council, and on 29 August a large
crowd gathered outside his house in Roxbury and insisted he resign. "I have
always eaten the King's bread, and I always intend to," he later reported
having told them. The men replied they'd give him a day to change his mind
and conform to his fellow citizens' wishes.
The next day, Loring left quietly for Boston. His son came out from
Dorchester to look after the house. When the mob came back, Joshua Jr told
them his father was gone, and they told him the Commodore should publish
his resignation in the paper. The next day Joshua Jr, his mother, and his
family joined the Commodore in London. (The house where this took place,
now called the Loring-Greenough house, still stands in the Jamaica Plain
neighborhood. In a 19th-century renovation, workers found some toys under
the floorboards. That created a local legend that some Loring children left
them there, expecting to return for them. More likely, folks now think,
kids of all periods just like to hide toys in secret places.) In Mar 1776,
father, son, and their families sailed away with the British troops, and
two years later the state declared that their property could be seized.
Joshua Jr seems to have been an ambitious but somewhat hapless fellow. In
1774 he was working as a merchant, but hadn't achieved any distinction. The
next year he bought the office of sheriff of Suffolk County for L500, which
could be lucrative and prestigious in peacetime--but in war neither he nor
the British troops could get to any of the county but Boston, and with the
courts closed and martial law in effect there was no sheriffing to do. The
commissary of prisoners post seems also to have been a deal full of hidden
I don't know the name of Joshua Jr's wife, but I guess she'd be about 30 in
1775. I'd heard the phrase "Mrs. Loring," but hadn't realized it referred
to a couple with positions (of different sorts) under Gen Howe.
J. L. Bell JnoLBell@...
>I don't know the name of Joshua Jr's wife, but I guess she'd be about >30Elizabeth, IIRC.
>in 1775. I'd heard the phrase "Mrs. Loring," but hadn't realized it
> >referred to a couple with positions (of different sorts) under Gen >Howe.
>J. L. Bell
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Elizabeth Lloyd of Boston married Joshua Loring in 1769 while he was has high sheriff of Mass (Boatner, p. 659).
She was reported to have shared her paramour's (MG Howe) tastes and was proficient at drinking and gambling. She was known as 'the sultana' to British officers, and she accompanied Howe's army through three years of campaigning.( Blumenthal , pp. 34-35). Some accounts refer to her as a blue-eyed 'flashing blonde.' ( Scheer & Rankin, p. 208), and others as a 'brillant and unprincipled woman' (Boatner, p. 659). After New York's capture, MG Howe and she drove about in his carriage, attended the theater, and gambled into the night. ( AP, p 182) .
I seem to recall that she went to Great Britian with her husband Joshua at some point and fell from the pages of history.
_Women Camp Followers of the American Revolution_ - Blumenthal
_Rebels & Redcoats_ - Scheer & Rankin
_Encyclopedia of the American Revolution_ - Boatner
_'76_ - Associated Press
And so it goes,
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- Bob Vogler wrote:
<<Elizabeth Lloyd of Boston married Joshua Loring in 1769 while he was has
high sheriff of Mass (Boatner, p. 659). . . .>>
Thanks for all the new quotes. Boatner may be mistaken about Joshua Loring
Jr's position in 1769 at the time of his marriage. He was only 25 that
year, and thus would have been young for a high post. According to his
Loyalist Commission claim, he bought the office of sheriff of Suffolk
County in 1775, and that might be what Boatner had in mind.
Question (for me mostly, since I think I know where to look): Was Elizabeth
Lloyd the daughter of James Lloyd (1728-1810), said to be Boston's leading
physician before the war and a Loyalist who stayed behind during it?
According to James Thacher's MEDICAL DICTIONARY (the same Thacher who
published his journal/memoir of the war), Dr Lloyd met Gen William Howe in
the 1750s when the latter was stationed at Castle William in Boston harbor.
In that case, Howe might have been acquainted with the future Mrs Loring
from her childhood.
J. L. Bell JnoLBell@...
- A while back I wrote:
<<Question (for me mostly, since I think I know where to look): Was
Elizabeth Lloyd the daughter of James Lloyd (1728-1810), said to be
Boston's leading physician before the war and a Loyalist who stayed behind
during it? According to James Thacher's MEDICAL DICTIONARY (the same
Thacher who published his journal/memoir of the war), Dr Lloyd met Gen
William Howe in the 1750s when the latter was stationed at Castle William
in Boston harbor. In that case, Howe might have been acquainted with the
future Mrs Loring from her childhood.>>
Short answer: No, Elizabeth Lloyd was probably not a daughter of Dr James
Lloyd. She was more likely a niece or grandniece. But I can't say for sure.
The long answer is for those who like this sort of genealogical digging,
and might be able to offer more resources. One big challenge is that
Boston's vital records for the mid- and late 1700s are very spotty. Add the
married-name problem that makes investigations of women harder. Stir in Mrs
Loring's bad reputation and departure for England, so her remaining North
American relatives had less reason to celebrate her. And top off with the
fact that there were three Boston women named Elizabeth Lloyd marrying
three future Loyalists.
The Elizabeth Lloyd who became the notorious "Mrs. Loring" married Joshua
Loring Jr (1744-1789) on 19 Oct 1769. The ceremony took place at the
Dorchester home of Col Nathaniel Hatch (c. 1723-1780 or '84) and his wife,
who had also been named Elizabeth Lloyd at the time of her marriage. So
those two women were probably related.
The third Elizabeth Lloyd (c. 1723-1800) was married to attorney Samuel
Fitch (1724-1799). According to Jones's Loyalists of Massachusetts, Fitch
had financial links to Dr Lloyd and was a "near family connection" to his
brother. So all three Elizabeth Lloyds were probably from the same extended
That Lloyd family originally hailed from Oyster Bay, Long Island. At least
two brothers were living in Boston at the time of the Revolution: Henry
Lloyd (1709-1795), a merchant, and Dr James Lloyd (1728-1810), the town's
most fashionable physician. Both brothers had several children, and the
public records are obscure on all their names.
Here's a description of that family's close link to Gen William Howe:
"In the French war, Sir William Howe (then a Colonel) was
dangerously ill at Boston, and ever after gratefully and publicly
attributed his recovery to the skill and unceasing attention of Dr. [James]
Lloyd; and when, in 1775, he came on the hopeless mission of subduing a
wronged and roused people, he immediately renewed the acquaintance."
[Sabine's Loyalists, 2:23]
And for the evidence that ties "Mrs. Loring" to Henry Lloyd: One of her
children was named Henry Lloyd Loring (d. in Calcutta, 1832). That name
hints, but doesn't require, that she was a daughter or granddaughter of the
merchant Henry Lloyd. I found no hint that Elizabeth (Lloyd) Loring was
more closely connected to the doctor. So while it's possible Gen Howe met
his medical savior's young niece Elizabeth during his first visit to
Boston, they probably didn't spend much time together.
When Gen Howe returned to Boston in the spring of 1775, Elizabeth (Lloyd)
Loring was in the besieged capital with her husband of five and a half
years. She may also have been pregnant; one source says Loring gave birth
to a boy named John Wentworth Loring in 1775, but another says Oct 1773. In
either event, Dorchester authorities wrote the death of one of her sons in
Nov 1775 into their vital records. So the siege of Boston was especially
sad for the Lorings.
When the British military evacuated the town in Mar 1776, Joshua Loring Jr
accompanied them to Halifax. According to the official list of households
leaving, he sailed in a party of one. Where was Mrs. Loring? She may have
been attached to the Henry Loring household, which numbered 10. Or she may
have been part of Gen Howe's suite and left off the record entirely.
In any event, the Lorings spent the rest of the war apart--no surprise
there. According to Palmer's Loyalists, "Loring's wife and children went to
England in 1778, and he followed with the permission of Sir Guy Carleton in
November 1782. He settled at Englefield, near Reading in Berkshire." Sabine
says he died in 1789. If we want to find Mrs Loring after the war, we
should probably start at Englefield.
I earlier wrote that Joshua Loring Jr paid 500 guineas for the office of
Sheriff of Suffolk County, but then had no way of earning back that money
during the siege since he couldn't get to most of the county and Boston was
under martial law. But I see in another source that he kept busy. Here are
extracts from the diary of John Leach, a teacher of navigation who was
imprisoned on suspicion of spying after the Battle of Bunker Hill:
29 June 1775: "One Loring, who is lately made a Sheriff," and Maj
Cane arrested Leach. "Major Cane demanded the Keys of my Desks [in his
house], and search'd all my Drawings, Writings, &c., and told me I had a
great deal to answer for. . . . They then conducted me to the Stone Gaol,
and after being lodged there 20 minutes, the said Cane and Loring brought
in Master James Lovell, after searching his Papers, Letters, &c. as they
had done mine. Cane carried my drawings to show Gen. Gage, next day, and
15 Sept: "Many goods of the inhabitants have been plundered by the
provost and sheriff Loring, and brought to the prison-house. They made a
(mock) vendue of them in the prison-house, Loring vendue-master; the
provost, his son and Dyer, the bidders-a most curious piece of equity."
[NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL & GENEALOGICAL RECORD, 19:256, 261-2]
Here are the full citations for the biographical dictionaries of Loyalists
that I consulted--
Jones, E. Alfred. THE LOYALISTS OF MASSACHUSETTS: THEIR MEMORIALS,
PETITIONS, AND CLAIMS. London: Saint Catherine Press, 1930.
Palmer, Gregory. BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES OF LOYALISTS OF THE AMERICAN
REVOLUTION. Westport, Conn.: Meckler, 1984.
Sabine, Lorenzo. BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES OF LOYALISTS OF THE AMERICAN
REVOLUTION. 2 vols. Boston: Little, Brown, 1864.
Stark, James H. THE LOYALISTS OF MASSACHUSETTS AND THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. Boston: W. B. Clarke, 1910.
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