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  • Scott Brown
    Hi: I also enjoy Ellis comments. They have certainly helped me in a lot of areas, especially in terms of careful monitoring of blood glucose, etc. [Good, I m
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 27, 2005
      Hi:

      I also enjoy Ellis' comments. They have certainly helped me in
      a lot of areas, especially in terms of careful monitoring of blood
      glucose, etc.

      [Good, I'm glad you are monitoring your blood glucose. In my
      opinion, that is the single most important anti-aging therapy
      you can do... and the least expensive, too...

      Why do I think monitoring and controlling blood glucose is the
      single most important anti aging therapy? Because I think it will
      make a difference in the long run, to postpone diabetes or not to
      get it forever in your lifetime.

      And what proof do I have of this? No proof, my friends, just
      circumstantial evidence: The best way for DIABETICS to avoid or
      retard the advance of diabetes side effects which will eventually
      kill most diabetics is to control their blood glucose levels.

      So why would controlling blood glucose levels not work also on
      "non-diabetics" to slow or postpone the point where we are finally
      declared to be diabetics? They would... That's why I believe I
      should... that is also why I believe we should move that point
      where we are declared to be diabetics way forward, so that we
      should have the privilege of being called "diabetic" so that we
      start to take care of our "diabetes" NOW, and not later.

      So why haven't we heard this, and read this a thousand times
      in every book written by "experts"? I dunno. If I would have
      read this ever before, I really would have started to do it at a
      much younger age, especially since BOTH of my parents were diabetics.

      I was aware of blood glucose testing since the 1970's... Since I
      studied in Tulane University, my parents went to New Orleans for
      my graduation, and while they were there they took a check up at
      the Oschner Clinic, and they found out they were diabetic. That
      was followed at some point to a visit to Boston, to the Joslin Clinic
      which specializes in diabetes. (pretty hip, my parents... they were
      both always in the front.)

      Although I tested my blood glucose once or twice in those days, all
      it showed was that I did not have high blood glucose. And it never
      occurred to me that if I am not a diabetic I should test my blood
      glucose before and after eating... And... I had never heard the term
      "glycosilation" which means a molecule of glucose stuck onto a
      molecule of protein which essentially damages that molecule of
      protein. When I put all the parts of the puzzle together, here
      on Rejuvenation, that is when I realized the "experts" are
      mistaken about the Food Guide Pyramid because they advise you to
      eat the foods that raise blood glucose levels. See this page:

      The Good Guide Pyramid vs. The Food Guide Pyramid
      http://www.rajeun.net/goodguide.html


      So... Scott... The next thing you have to do is to DO SOMETHING
      ABOUT HIGH blood glucose, whenever you get it. By "high" I mean
      anything above 100 mg/dl which requires attention. I do mean
      100 mg/dl. which is VERY EASY to get, in fact it is pretty
      "normal" to be at or around 100 mg/dl. But it is BETTER to be
      lower, if more glycosilation occurs at higher blood glucose levels,
      which it does... so shoot for "better."

      Many diabetes specialists believe 140 mg/dl is acceptable for their
      patients. That view causes their patients to be satisfied with a
      level that is totally unacceptable for me, and Dr. Bernstein, and I
      urge you to reject such levels and be as strict as I am, and not as
      lax as the American Diabetes Association advises.

      It is incredible and sad that there are doctors that are happy to
      keep their patients in a state of chronological illness, which is
      good for the doctor, rather than to really crack down and control
      their diabetes, which would be good for the patient.

      If I was a doctor I would resign from such an Association, or never
      join them at all, or I would start another competing association of
      doctors interested in their patients.

      Read Dr. Bernstein's comments about this:

      http://www.rajeun.net/bernstein.html

      To bring down "high" glucose levels is as simple as: "drink two
      glasses of water" or "walk around the block"... or inject insulin,
      if you know how to inject insulin. Do whatever it takes to lower
      blood glucose. As I like to say, bring high glucose levels down
      "by hook or by crook." There is no such thing as "cheating"...
      any way you bring high glucose down is valid... just bring it down.

      But the FIRST step to lower blood glucose is to MONITOR blood
      glucose. So... congratulations... the more you monitor, the
      more you learn... and there are always surprises, aren't there?
      - Ellis]


      I am on HRT also and use the 4 ester "Sustanon" or equivalent by
      injection, 250 mg/1cc once every (one or) two weeks. I recently
      went off it for several months and used HCG plus clomid during
      that period. My total test was then above 400, but free was
      almost undetectable, under 10. My libido was low and I was
      feeling depressed.

      If you can get Sustanon or its equivalent for your HRT, this form
      is better because the multiple esters break down into test at
      different rates, thus giving less of a roller coaster effect and
      allowing fewer injections. Its half life is estimated at 3 weeks.
      It is available from Europe or Mexico and a few clinics in Florida
      provide it, I believe.

      Whatever you use, mind its half life and inject again before the
      half life period elapses.

      I also do the HCG supplementation. I use the recombinant type,
      but it is specified by the brand I use in iu and mg. Thanks for
      the information on the new regimen of taking 250 iu on the last
      two days of the week before the next injection.

      Is there a web site that specifies how this regimen was developed?
      I'd love to read it, if you could mention it.

      [I don't know of any website that talks of the use of the new
      recombinant HCG, for men. There is no literature that I know of,
      and it is not mentioned in the literature of Ovidrel, or Serono.

      I have very little feed back from men who have used it, so I can't
      tell you more than "play it by ear..." One Ovidrel is supposed to
      be about 6000 iu. and according to the previous post, below: "The
      NEWEST and BEST HRT protocol calls for 250 iu's of HCG twice a week
      on the 5th and 6th day after your testosterone injection. That will
      prevent any atrophy of the testicles and supplement declining hormone
      levels at the end of the week."

      So... the dose would be 1/24 of what comes in one vial of Ovidrel...
      So... If you decide to use Ovidrel, I suggest you should mix it with
      bacteriostatic water so that it will not lose potency as fast as if
      it is mixed with the sterile water it comes with, because it is
      intended to be taken in one dose.

      I have also had feedback of HCG being used for weight loss, with
      great success! I don't know how that works, or why it works.
      - Ellis]



      I seem to have a syndrome different from all the people I know
      (quite a few) in my age group (58) who are on HRT. Over a several
      year period, whenever I take any supplement including androstendione
      (now unavailable OTC thanks to the zealots), DHEA or any form of
      test injections or other applications, my libido initially increases
      for a few days, then decreases, even when I continue the HRT regimen.

      I've tried different dose levels and different forms of test
      supplementation via direct injection, oral, transdermal, oral
      percursors and all have this up/down reaction.

      Interestingly, on the down side of the curve, as the test levels
      begin to fall, I also get an up tick on libido for a time.

      Everyone else I know gets a constant good level of libido with
      HRT supplementation. When the libido is high, I have no erectile
      dysfunction whatsoever, but when low, I do.

      I have to presume that there is a syndrome in me that is
      aggressively binding the free test.

      It seems that it takes time to "kick in" when levels increase and
      begins to "drop out" when levels decrease.

      Before I ever started test supplementation, my libido was also
      waning. I'm not obese, have low blood pressure, normal blood
      sugar. I'm generally muscular and fit.

      Does anyone have any suggestions as to this syndrome and how to
      overcome it?

      Thanks as always to Ellis for his excellent advice which is mostly
      right on.

      Scott

      [Hello Scott... thanks for the nice words... I think you should
      take a blood test in one of these periods of low libido and test
      for estradiol, specifically... also total and free testosterone...
      I THINK you might find that estradiol is HIGH. (note: estradiol is
      a kind of estrogen... so if estradiol is high, all estrogen is
      high.)

      Try one half pill of Arimidex, twice a week... this might work to
      keep your libido steadily high... Arimidex will stop or block
      testosterone from converting to estrogen, which is probably why you
      lose libido... and as less testosterone is converted to estrogen,
      more of it remains to increase your libido. I think it also
      increases free testosterone, so it is all good and no bad. I can
      tell you it has no side effects, because I have used it for many
      years with no side effects.

      Read the Life Extension article, Male Hormone Replacement Therapy,
      to which I have a link on my page Testosterone:

      http://www.rajeun.net/testosterone.html

      There are other ways to block testosterone from converting to
      estrogen, but I don't like them. The least bad is Nolvadex, and
      the worst is Propecia. Don't use either of them, in my opinion.

      I have had terrible feedback about Propecia, re: libido, from men
      who were prescribed Propecia TO MAKE THEIR HAIR GROW. Some doctors
      are just brain dead... or they don't have the feedback that I have...
      and maybe they suppose that because it is "F.D.A. approved" it must
      be good... in any case, it is very bad for libido, and even when
      they stop taking it, they don't get libido up again...

      I copy this from www.propecia.com (which is an advertisement IN
      FAVOR of propecia, of course.)

      "PROPECIA works on a key cause of hair loss by significantly reducing
      the amount of DHT. Specifically, PROPECIA inhibits the formation of
      DHT in your scalp. Lowering DHT appears to inhibit the further
      shrinking of affected hair follicles. PROPECIA helps regrow visible
      hair and reduces further hair loss. It is, in fact, the first and
      only FDA-approved pill proven to treat male pattern hair loss on the
      vertex (top of head) and anterior mid-scalp area (middle front of
      head) in men."

      Isn't that a wicked way for Nature to stop Old Men from chasing
      Young Girls? By the time we are 60 years old we have more
      ESTROGEN in our body than a WOMAN age 60. (of course a woman
      age 60 is probably in menopause already.)

      Take Propecia for hair loss and you will have more hair and less
      DHT (dehydrotestosterone, whatever that is...) which will affect
      your libido when you show off your hair.

      You might also try Dostinex, or Cabaser which is cabergoline but is
      a much better buy. Cabergoline stimulates dopamine which blocks
      prolactin. Don't ask me why, this creates sexual arousal.

      You might also THINK about cabergoline + oxytoxin. Oxytocin is a
      hormone that goes UP in MEN and WOMEN ... AFTER ORGASM!!! Now,
      isn't that nice? That is when you have this great feeling of
      LOVE oozing all over your body, and you want to embrace and be
      cozy and nice together. Oxytocin is called "the Love hormone" but
      I have read very little about it, and nothing by anybody who has
      tried it for sexual enhancement. It is used in Medicine to induce
      labor (note: a baby to be born) in women. I have injected oxytocin
      a few times and I haven't noticed anything... but maybe the correct
      recipe is precisely: cabergoline + oxytocin ?

      thanks for writing.

      - Ellis]





      At 06:16 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
      >I am on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) at 100 mg of testosterone
      >and Ellis is correct AGAIN in his suggestion about HCG. The NEWEST
      >and BEST HRT protocol calls for 250 iu's of HCG twice a week on the
      >5th and 6th day after your testosterone injection.
      >
      >That will prevent any atrophy of the testicles and supplement
      >declining hormone levels at the end of the week. I will note that
      >most HRT doctors in the know give testosterone injections once a
      >week, not every 3 weeks, as the half life of test cyp is about 7
      >days and injection frequency's that are longer than one week put
      >the you on a roller coaster with hormone levels that are to high
      >just after the injection and not high enough at two or three weeks
      >after.
      >
      >
      >
      >(Hello John... thanks for the nice remark... I am getting to be
      >correct more often than putting my foot in my mouth, as I used to
      >do many times... It is a sign that I am "transcending"... now I
      >am becoming a Jedi... Soon I might even become invisible. But
      >until then, I am still human.
      >
      >I already know a lot of people that follow whatever I say blindly,
      >which is not what I ever intended... but I know it has already happened,
      >because they write to me and tell me so. Fortunately
      >they have had good results too, so far, but being their spiritual
      >leader brings the responsibility not to ever give them bad advice,
      >and to caution you that I am not a doctor, I have not even studied
      >one formal course in medicine or nutrition, my Glucose Theory of
      >Aging is only mine, I agree I am eccentric because I take insulin
      >when I don't have diabetes, I agree it's crazy to raise my
      >hematocrit to 54%, and I know little or nothing about estrogen,
      >progesterone, or testosterone.
      >
      >So please don't ever do what I do just because I do it. Always
      >think twice... and then jump in... You'll probably like what
      >happens... but make sure that you are healthy before you start,
      >and that you are not taking any medicines that might conflict
      >with any anti aging therapy.
      >
      >The testosterone I like the best is Aquatest, which is water
      >soluble "testosterone suspension"... I like it because it is
      >identical to male testosterone, and because it only stays in my
      >body 3 days. I only take it "once in a while" maybe once a month,
      >so the rest of the month I am not "on testosterone" and I haven't
      >had any problem with feeling that I am on a roller coaster...
      >
      >I also have not had any side effects, and as far as I can tell,
      >I must be producing my own testosterone because I am still like
      >a 25 year old... that is... I still like pretty girls...
      >
      >As for HCG... there are TWO kinds of HCG, the old, which is
      >gathered from the urine of pregnant women... and the new, which
      >is recombinant HCG, made in a laboratory through genetic
      >engineering, just like growth hormone or insulin, an exact copy of
      >the old HCG which was gathered from the urine of pregnant women.
      >
      >The old is 5% to 10% HCG, and 95% to 90% "IMPURITIES"... sterile
      >impurities, but impurities nonetheless...
      >
      >The new is "99 and 44/100% pure" or about there, (like Ivory soap)...
      >
      >The new can be taken by subcutaneous injection, and the old was
      >taken by deep intramuscular injection, and it had side effects
      >such as irritations, etc.
      >
      >Of course I recommend the new generation HCG... It is also
      >more expensive, but more effective too... However... there is
      >no literature on its use in men to kick start testosterone
      >after taking injected testosterone. And the doses don't
      >correspond directly, that is the old was "5000" or "10000 iu"
      >and the new is not measured in iu's but in milligrams...
      >
      >THEY SAY one dose of the new is ABOUT like 6000 iu of the old...
      >but in my opinion it is more than that, because it is more effective
      >than the old HCG to make women ovulate.
      >
      >Ellis
      >
    • Idelle
      ...a couple of things... why not cinnamon to lower blood glucose? It was the basis for metformin and probably has fewer unpleasant side effects... see RA
      Message 2 of 2 , Oct 1, 2005
        ...a couple of things... why not cinnamon to lower blood glucose?
        It was the basis for metformin and probably has fewer unpleasant
        side effects... see RA Anderson DIABETES CARE (2003)... you can
        download the entire article free from PubMed... but you probably
        are already aware of that.

        [And why not INSULIN to lower blood glucose? What is the reason
        why we should not use the very hormone that our body uses to
        lower blood glucose? What could be more "natural" than that?
        Yes, I'm aware that cinnamon can be used to lower blood glucose,
        but cactus can too, and if you are not going to use insulin
        then I like cactus better than cinnamon, because cactus also
        is good for digestion... but there's nothing wrong with cactus
        + cinnamon... I'll bet that would make a very good, effective,
        natural, and perhaps inexpensive commercial product... - Ellis]


        I'm on flutamide (500 mg/day) because of being postmenopausal and
        having testosterone currently 400 ng/dl.....want some? I have
        plenty to spare...

        Tell me a bit more about Dostinex and cabergoline....maybe they
        would block androgen receptors as flutamide does.

        [I'm not sure what it does... but it sure makes a lot of people
        "horney"... Why do you want to block androgen receptors? What is
        wrong with 400 ng/dl of testosterone in a woman? If you grow
        a mustache, shave it off... in the meantime, do some weight lifting
        and grow some muscles. I'm always amazed to see women "weight
        lifting" with 1 and 2 and 3 kilogram weights, which even for me (I
        am not a bodybuilder, so I lift much less weight than body builders
        do...) is "nothing." Is there a problem with 400 mg/dl in a
        woman? You are right, there are many men who would probably like
        to have testosterone levels at 400 ng/dl. - Ellis]


        Last, my husband uses androgel.....more "physiologic" than
        injectible T.

        [There are different opinions about that... There is nothing
        non-physiologic about injectible T as compared to androgel.
        They are both good. Critics say you can never tell how much
        testosterone is absorbed through the skin with Androgel, and
        on the other hand, critics of injectible testosterone say
        T. levels remain high for too long, shutting off the natural
        production of testosterone. I say... do whatever works for
        you... any way is better than no way. What is finally going to
        kill us some day if we don't first die of heart disease, or
        cancer, or kidney disease, or diabetes, or something else like
        an accident, or malaria or AIDS or parasites, etc., might be:
        the lack of muscles in our body. A little testosterone is
        good for just about anybody over the age of 50, including women.
        - Ellis]




        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Scott Brown
        To: Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:57 PM
        Subject: [Rejuvenation] * * * RE: Low testosterone levels


        Hi:

        I also enjoy Ellis' comments. They have certainly helped me in
        a lot of areas, especially in terms of careful monitoring of blood
        glucose, etc.

        [Good, I'm glad you are monitoring your blood glucose. In my
        opinion, that is the single most important anti-aging therapy
        you can do... and the least expensive, too...

        Why do I think monitoring and controlling blood glucose is the
        single most important anti aging therapy? Because I think it will
        make a difference in the long run, to postpone diabetes or not to
        get it forever in your lifetime.

        And what proof do I have of this? No proof, my friends, just
        circumstantial evidence: The best way for DIABETICS to avoid or
        retard the advance of diabetes side effects which will eventually
        kill most diabetics is to control their blood glucose levels.

        So why would controlling blood glucose levels not work also on
        "non-diabetics" to slow or postpone the point where we are finally
        declared to be diabetics? They would... That's why I believe I
        should... that is also why I believe we should move that point
        where we are declared to be diabetics way forward, so that we
        should have the privilege of being called "diabetic" so that we
        start to take care of our "diabetes" NOW, and not later.

        So why haven't we heard this, and read this a thousand times
        in every book written by "experts"? I dunno. If I would have
        read this ever before, I really would have started to do it at a
        much younger age, especially since BOTH of my parents were diabetics.

        I was aware of blood glucose testing since the 1970's... Since I
        studied in Tulane University, my parents went to New Orleans for
        my graduation, and while they were there they took a check up at
        the Oschner Clinic, and they found out they were diabetic. That
        was followed at some point to a visit to Boston, to the Joslin Clinic
        which specializes in diabetes. (pretty hip, my parents... they were
        both always in the front.)

        Although I tested my blood glucose once or twice in those days, all
        it showed was that I did not have high blood glucose. And it never
        occurred to me that if I am not a diabetic I should test my blood
        glucose before and after eating... And... I had never heard the term
        "glycosilation" which means a molecule of glucose stuck onto a
        molecule of protein which essentially damages that molecule of
        protein. When I put all the parts of the puzzle together, here
        on Rejuvenation, that is when I realized the "experts" are
        mistaken about the Food Guide Pyramid because they advise you to
        eat the foods that raise blood glucose levels. See this page:

        The Good Guide Pyramid vs. The Food Guide Pyramid
        http://www.rajeun.net/goodguide.html


        So... Scott... The next thing you have to do is to DO SOMETHING
        ABOUT HIGH blood glucose, whenever you get it. By "high" I mean
        anything above 100 mg/dl which requires attention. I do mean
        100 mg/dl. which is VERY EASY to get, in fact it is pretty
        "normal" to be at or around 100 mg/dl. But it is BETTER to be
        lower, if more glycosilation occurs at higher blood glucose levels,
        which it does... so shoot for "better."

        Many diabetes specialists believe 140 mg/dl is acceptable for their
        patients. That view causes their patients to be satisfied with a
        level that is totally unacceptable for me, and Dr. Bernstein, and I
        urge you to reject such levels and be as strict as I am, and not as
        lax as the American Diabetes Association advises.

        It is incredible and sad that there are doctors that are happy to
        keep their patients in a state of chronological illness, which is
        good for the doctor, rather than to really crack down and control
        their diabetes, which would be good for the patient.

        If I was a doctor I would resign from such an Association, or never
        join them at all, or I would start another competing association of
        doctors interested in their patients.

        Read Dr. Bernstein's comments about this:

        http://www.rajeun.net/bernstein.html

        To bring down "high" glucose levels is as simple as: "drink two
        glasses of water" or "walk around the block"... or inject insulin,
        if you know how to inject insulin. Do whatever it takes to lower
        blood glucose. As I like to say, bring high glucose levels down
        "by hook or by crook." There is no such thing as "cheating"...
        any way you bring high glucose down is valid... just bring it down.

        But the FIRST step to lower blood glucose is to MONITOR blood
        glucose. So... congratulations... the more you monitor, the
        more you learn... and there are always surprises, aren't there?
        - Ellis]


        I am on HRT also and use the 4 ester "Sustanon" or equivalent by
        injection, 250 mg/1cc once every (one or) two weeks. I recently
        went off it for several months and used HCG plus clomid during
        that period. My total test was then above 400, but free was
        almost undetectable, under 10. My libido was low and I was
        feeling depressed.

        If you can get Sustanon or its equivalent for your HRT, this form
        is better because the multiple esters break down into test at
        different rates, thus giving less of a roller coaster effect and
        allowing fewer injections. Its half life is estimated at 3 weeks.
        It is available from Europe or Mexico and a few clinics in Florida
        provide it, I believe.

        Whatever you use, mind its half life and inject again before the
        half life period elapses.

        I also do the HCG supplementation. I use the recombinant type,
        but it is specified by the brand I use in iu and mg. Thanks for
        the information on the new regimen of taking 250 iu on the last
        two days of the week before the next injection.

        Is there a web site that specifies how this regimen was developed?
        I'd love to read it, if you could mention it.

        [I don't know of any website that talks of the use of the new
        recombinant HCG, for men. There is no literature that I know of,
        and it is not mentioned in the literature of Ovidrel, or Serono.

        I have very little feed back from men who have used it, so I can't
        tell you more than "play it by ear..." One Ovidrel is supposed to
        be about 6000 iu. and according to the previous post, below: "The
        NEWEST and BEST HRT protocol calls for 250 iu's of HCG twice a week
        on the 5th and 6th day after your testosterone injection. That will
        prevent any atrophy of the testicles and supplement declining hormone
        levels at the end of the week."

        So... the dose would be 1/24 of what comes in one vial of Ovidrel...
        So... If you decide to use Ovidrel, I suggest you should mix it with
        bacteriostatic water so that it will not lose potency as fast as if
        it is mixed with the sterile water it comes with, because it is
        intended to be taken in one dose.

        I have also had feedback of HCG being used for weight loss, with
        great success! I don't know how that works, or why it works.
        - Ellis]



        I seem to have a syndrome different from all the people I know
        (quite a few) in my age group (58) who are on HRT. Over a several
        year period, whenever I take any supplement including androstendione
        (now unavailable OTC thanks to the zealots), DHEA or any form of
        test injections or other applications, my libido initially increases
        for a few days, then decreases, even when I continue the HRT regimen.

        I've tried different dose levels and different forms of test
        supplementation via direct injection, oral, transdermal, oral
        percursors and all have this up/down reaction.

        Interestingly, on the down side of the curve, as the test levels
        begin to fall, I also get an up tick on libido for a time.

        Everyone else I know gets a constant good level of libido with
        HRT supplementation. When the libido is high, I have no erectile
        dysfunction whatsoever, but when low, I do.

        I have to presume that there is a syndrome in me that is
        aggressively binding the free test.

        It seems that it takes time to "kick in" when levels increase and
        begins to "drop out" when levels decrease.

        Before I ever started test supplementation, my libido was also
        waning. I'm not obese, have low blood pressure, normal blood
        sugar. I'm generally muscular and fit.

        Does anyone have any suggestions as to this syndrome and how to
        overcome it?

        Thanks as always to Ellis for his excellent advice which is mostly
        right on.

        Scott

        [Hello Scott... thanks for the nice words... I think you should
        take a blood test in one of these periods of low libido and test
        for estradiol, specifically... also total and free testosterone...
        I THINK you might find that estradiol is HIGH. (note: estradiol is
        a kind of estrogen... so if estradiol is high, all estrogen is
        high.)

        Try one half pill of Arimidex, twice a week... this might work to
        keep your libido steadily high... Arimidex will stop or block
        testosterone from converting to estrogen, which is probably why you
        lose libido... and as less testosterone is converted to estrogen,
        more of it remains to increase your libido. I think it also
        increases free testosterone, so it is all good and no bad. I can
        tell you it has no side effects, because I have used it for many
        years with no side effects.

        Read the Life Extension article, Male Hormone Replacement Therapy,
        to which I have a link on my page Testosterone:

        http://www.rajeun.net/testosterone.html

        There are other ways to block testosterone from converting to
        estrogen, but I don't like them. The least bad is Nolvadex, and
        the worst is Propecia. Don't use either of them, in my opinion.

        I have had terrible feedback about Propecia, re: libido, from men
        who were prescribed Propecia TO MAKE THEIR HAIR GROW. Some doctors
        are just brain dead... or they don't have the feedback that I have...
        and maybe they suppose that because it is "F.D.A. approved" it must
        be good... in any case, it is very bad for libido, and even when
        they stop taking it, they don't get libido up again...

        I copy this from www.propecia.com (which is an advertisement IN
        FAVOR of propecia, of course.)

        "PROPECIA works on a key cause of hair loss by significantly reducing
        the amount of DHT. Specifically, PROPECIA inhibits the formation of
        DHT in your scalp. Lowering DHT appears to inhibit the further
        shrinking of affected hair follicles. PROPECIA helps regrow visible
        hair and reduces further hair loss. It is, in fact, the first and
        only FDA-approved pill proven to treat male pattern hair loss on the
        vertex (top of head) and anterior mid-scalp area (middle front of
        head) in men."

        Isn't that a wicked way for Nature to stop Old Men from chasing
        Young Girls? By the time we are 60 years old we have more
        ESTROGEN in our body than a WOMAN age 60. (of course a woman
        age 60 is probably in menopause already.)

        Take Propecia for hair loss and you will have more hair and less
        DHT (dehydrotestosterone, whatever that is...) which will affect
        your libido when you show off your hair.

        You might also try Dostinex, or Cabaser which is cabergoline but is
        a much better buy. Cabergoline stimulates dopamine which blocks
        prolactin. Don't ask me why, this creates sexual arousal.

        You might also THINK about cabergoline + oxytoxin. Oxytocin is a
        hormone that goes UP in MEN and WOMEN ... AFTER ORGASM!!! Now,
        isn't that nice? That is when you have this great feeling of
        LOVE oozing all over your body, and you want to embrace and be
        cozy and nice together. Oxytocin is called "the Love hormone" but
        I have read very little about it, and nothing by anybody who has
        tried it for sexual enhancement. It is used in Medicine to induce
        labor (note: a baby to be born) in women. I have injected oxytocin
        a few times and I haven't noticed anything... but maybe the correct
        recipe is precisely: cabergoline + oxytocin ?

        thanks for writing.

        - Ellis]
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