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Re: [ReefKeeping] Plenum

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  • Donald Plisco
    Do you think sand sifing animals in the wild would die if the sand isn t a certain size? Or could it be possible that they naturally get around the problem of
    Message 1 of 54 , Apr 1, 2007
      Do you think sand sifing animals in the wild would die if the sand isn't a certain size? Or could it be possible that they naturally get around the problem of sifting sand with different grain sizes of sand/gravel? I'd wouldn't worry about it.
      What type of shrimp? That is way too broad of a statement.
      Other than brine shrimp, I believe shrimp have nothing to fear from seahorses. Other than mantis shrimps, I think seahorses have anothing to fear from shrimp.
      Clams and shrimps have nothing to fear from each other...
      As for the blue/green algae (bacteria), I'm sure it would be ok, just don't harm anything else in the process. Where a clump of that stuff lands, after scrubbing, it's sure to take off again. I'd siphon it off.
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:17 PM
      Subject: [ReefKeeping] Plenum

      I read about the plenum....of course after I had set up my tank. I may take it all apart and start again.
      I made a big mistake when I did my sand bed. The LFS only had one bag of live sand and one of small
      Gravel (about the size used for parakeets) so I mixed them. I think I need to get the gravel out so my sand sifters
      will like the sand better. So maybe I could use my colander and sift out the sand.
      I could put the coral in the tank for the sea horses but I don't think the shrimp can go in with the sea horses.
      The clam I'm not sure if it would be safe for the sea horse.
      Would it be ok to scrub the black slime off my rocks?
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    • Donald Plisco
      I hate to say this, but you have no intentions of stopping the ad hominum attacks, do you? I wanted to clarify things and display some good will...Hopefully
      Message 54 of 54 , Apr 4, 2007
        I hate to say this, but you have no intentions of stopping the ad hominum attacks, do you? I wanted to clarify things and display some good will...Hopefully some semblence of civil discourse about reef keeping can resume, but it seems that is not your intentions, nor the attentions of several of your supporters. I'm sorry you feel that way.
        I apologise to the others on this list about having to wade thru this.
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:32 PM
        Subject: Re: [ReefKeeping] RE: Don

        Are you done being an ...hole?

        I am with the others... I am done here.

        enjoy your sand box, Don, I am going to find people that can carry on polite discussions.

        Have a good day.

        On 4/4/07, Donald Plisco <dplisco@cox. net> wrote:

        Are you done whining?
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:11 AM
        Subject: Re: [ReefKeeping] RE: Don

        And see- there you go Don, I don't know how many times I can say the same thing, and have you ignore it completely. According to you- everything you say is fact, and everything anyone else says is nonsense. And you started the bad blood by referring to us as "Chicken Littles", and saying that we do not use common sense, and that we can not make decisions for ourselves. And then when you are called on it, you make it out as though you were the one being attacked, and then make a political statement, rather than looking at what people are telling you. You are treating others rudely, and someone of the age you report to be should #1 know better, and #2 be ashamed of yourself. If I had a child that was acting like you I would give them a swat on the behind, and tell them to apologize immediately.

        I have truly had enough of this- and your arrogance has shown it will not stop. I do not need this group, because I have one where people treat each other with a hell of a lot more respect than this. I work with troubled youth for a living, I don't need to feel like I am doing the same here...


        'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

        "While the sun yet shines do all you can"

        On Apr 4, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Donald Plisco wrote:

        And what have you contributed to the list, Geo? I see alot of ankle biting, but no effort at putting out useful reef information...At least, Bryan Gifford contributes alot of effort and I'll give him that, even thou I might not agree with some of it....Now that he and I have an disagreement on principles of aquarium operation, and Lo and Behold, open the closet and out comes a room full of Rosie Odonnels.
        Rant and rave if you want to...
        But show me a better way of operating an aquarium, and I'll give you some respect...Something that your ambush attacks don't deserve. You should be ashamed of yourselves...
        You know there is an old saying about politics: "Conservative often will not believe the facts until they see them; Liberals will not see the facts until they believe them"
        Something like that is happening here. A few people refuse to see the facts because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs...Instead they shoot the messenger. I'm trying to present some facts that goes against the current trendy aquarium doctrines.
        I'm not changing course. Ad hominum attacks against me will not change the facts.
        If you got a better idea of how to run a reef tank, fine...if not, and regardless of the ad hominum attacks, I'm going to continue to present my point of view.
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:14 PM
        Subject: Re: [ReefKeeping] RE: Don

        And you know- that is the true shame of it all. He might very well be a wealth of knowledge, but he does not have an ounce of respect for other people from what I have seen, unless of course they agree with him 100%. So I can already tell you that I will most likely delete e-mails I see from him without much reading in the future, because of his attitude. And that is a shame, but I am grown man, and I don't need to be spoken down to from some guy who does not know me from Adam.


        'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

        "While the sun yet shines do all you can"

        On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Tony Sullivan wrote:

        hello all

        I like the info Don has provided, i enjoy reading his
        posts he has taught me a lot about what i need and
        don't need for my reef tank. his style might be a
        little abrasive but his info is top notch,
        --- Lawrence < porsche.9146@ gmail.com> wrote:

        > Hi Laurie,
        > As I did not see Don's original message.... He can
        > have as much of a problem
        > with my "reply" as he likes. People have nicknames
        > - mine is Rusty. He
        > should get over it and himself.
        > Kind regards,
        > Rusty
        > _____
        > From: ReefKeeping@yahoogroups. com
        > [mailto: ReefKeeping@ yahoogroups.com ] On
        > Behalf Of laurie Bedus
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:46 PM
        > To: ReefKeeping@ yahoogroups. com
        > Subject: Re: [ReefKeeping] Plenum
        > while yor knowledge is welcome, your arrogance and
        > now
        > openly attacking approach is not. Rusty is right and
        > did not deserve that-shame on you-you sound like a
        > insecure 12 year old
        > --- Donald Plisco <dplisco@cox.
        > < mailto:dplisco% 40cox.net> net> wrote:
        > > I have a problem with that reply....I notice the
        > > membership of the reply is "Lawrence", yet the
        > post
        > > was signed "Rusty". Was this coming from a public
        > > computer, or is Lawrence your husband or
        > boyfriend?
        > >
        > > Don
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Lawrence
        > > To: ReefKeeping@
        > < mailto:ReefKeeping%40yahoogroups. com>
        > yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:56 PM
        > > Subject: RE: [ReefKeeping] Plenum
        > >
        > >
        > > 
        > >
        > > I've seen enough hostility and arrogance to
        > > recognize... Someone just made my filter list.
        > >
        > > Rusty
        > > Alabama, USA
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        --------------------- ------------------ ------------------ -
        > > From: ReefKeeping@
        > < mailto:ReefKeeping%40yahoogroups. com>
        > yahoogroups.com
        > > [ mailto:ReefKeeping@
        > < mailto:ReefKeeping%40yahoogroups. com>
        > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > > Donald Plisco
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:51 PM
        > > To: ReefKeeping@
        > < mailto:ReefKeeping%40yahoogroups. com>
        > yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: Re: [ReefKeeping] Plenum
        > >
        > >
        > > 
        > >
        > > What a hypocite! It was you, that started
        > > lambasting me comments like associating me with
        > Ann
        > > Couter, etc....All I did was comment that the
        > > seahorse was probably safe with the clam...which
        > > Rich agreed with me. You came up with the
        > cockamaimy
        > > story about about seahouses are not found in reefs
        > > but in sandflats and therefore, cannot be trusted
        > > with clams, in so many words...Well, I hate to
        > break
        > > this to you, numerous shellfish of all types,
        > > including giant clams, are found in grass beds,
        > > along with seahorses. It's a perfectly natural
        > > combination. Clams slam their shells togather to
        > > EXPELL foreign objects, not to capture them..
        > > And another thing, Grass flats are part of the
        > > reef ecosystem. Many animals sleep in the reefs
        > and
        > > migrate daily to the sandflats for chow. Just
        > > because you don't consider sandflats part of, is
        > > your opinion only.
        > > That is why I have a sand/grass flats in between
        > > the two rock reefs on either end of my 750.
        > >
        > > I have no idea where the line about the cost of
        > > protein skimmer came from....What has that got to
        > do
        > > with the cost of tea in China? It is function, not
        > > price that impresses me....The elitists like to
        > > impress newbies with how much them spend on
        > equipt.
        > > I use equiptment which works in my
        > >
        > > If you perceive a personal attack, that is because
        > > "you" identify with the accusation and name
        > youself
        > > as the repository of those remarks. If so, that is
        > > your personal problem, not mine. I address the
        > group
        > > as a whole.
        > >
        > > If I want to address something directly to you, I
        > > will point you out by name. For example: "Bryan,
        > if
        > > someone doesn't agree with you 100%, you either
        > > start whining or turn into an ego bruised ankle
        > > biter and start bothering your betters". or
        > "Bryan,
        > > do you always start a pissing contest when you
        > don't
        > > get your way?"
        > >
        > > BTW: Those were only examples, so don't write back
        > > and whine about it...
        > >
        > > I stand by my remarks about the seahorse probably
        > > being safe with clams (along with the shrimp), and
        > > I'll not split hairs over it. A mono-tank is not
        > > needed here, my Chicken Littles...
        > > And Bryan, don't lecture me about being foolish
        > > and reckless in my marine livestorck
        > > operations...When you can keep various fish and
        > > corals alive over ten years, I bend my ear to you.
        > > Untill them, I'll consider your opinions as just
        > > that. Every animal I keep has a much more better
        > > chance of survival than if they were in the wild.
        > I
        > > don't have to visit the LFS often because of that.
        > >
        > > Don
        > > .
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > 


        -- Bryan

        The Truth is out there, do you believe it?

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