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Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Armstrong in Copenhagen

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  • Howard Rye
    I hesitate to put this forward without evidence but the notion that it was recorded in the concert hall on Friday 20 October, a day for which no public
    Message 1 of 19 , Sep 27, 2011
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      I hesitate to put this forward without evidence but the notion that it was
      recorded in the concert hall on Friday 20 October, a day for which no public
      engagement is known, but without an audience, certainly fits all the known
      facts. This would amount to a film of a rehearsal I suppose. Or is Hagglof
      claiming that there was in fact an additional public performance on this
      date not reported by earlier sources?


      on 27/09/2011 17:25, kimpa1943 at k.altsund@... wrote:

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      > According to cd Storyville 1018348 the film was recorded at Tivoli Concert
      > Hall, Copenhagen Oct 20 1933. Notes and tour schedule by wellknown
      > Armstrong-researcher Gosta Hagglof. The 3 nrs released in cleaned sound. /kim
      >
      > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com> ,
      > Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > This is also Klaus Stratemann's view in 'Louis Armstrong On The Screen'. He
      >> > thinks the other performances in the film, by Roy Fox, Erik Tuxen, Teddy
      >> > Brown, and Lili Gyenes were also filmed in the studio, Fox and Brown in
      >> > London.
      >> >
      >> > Though Stratemann appears to accept the 21 October 1933 date, this is the
      >> > date of his first appearance at the Tivoli Concert Hall in Copenhagen. If
      >> > the footage was not in fact filmed there then presumably any date during
      >> > Armstrong's trip to Denmark is possible. He left London on 19 October and
      >> > apparently arrived at Copenhagen the same day. They seem to have had the
      >> > 20th off, appeared at the Tivoli on 21, 22, 23 October, then moved on to
      >> > Stockholm where they arrived on the 24th. There were two concerts on the
      >> > 21st and 22nd and three on the 23rd.
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > on 25/09/2011 20:49, Richard Havers at rhavers1@... wrote:
      >> >
      >>> > > Patrice
      >>> > >
      >>> > > I've always believed it was recorded in a studio and then had the
      >>> audience
      >>> > > clip at the start just tacked onto the film. Look at the camera
      >>> positions,
      >>> > > they just don't feel right when compared to other theatre films. Even
      the
      >>> > > cutaway to the clapping audience doesn't look real. It's also the same
      >>> section
      >>> > > of the audience each time there's a cutaway.
      >>> > >
      >>> > > It was shot on 21 October 1933.
      >>> > >
      >>> > > Cheers
      >>> > >
      >>> > > Richard
      >>> > >
      >>> > > On 25 Sep 2011, at 20:36, Patrice Champarou wrote:
      >>> > >
      >>>> > >> I suppose everyone here already knows this footage, but although it is
      a
      >>>> > >> youtube "theft", I had never seen it with such picture quality :
      >>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/OtisSpain#p/u/6/UZvqvNYJmC4
      >>>> > >> I wonder about the way it was shot... according to the info about the
      DVD
      >>>> > >> "At The Jazz Band Ball", it was a 1932 (not 34) performance shot for a
      film
      >>>> > >> called Københaven Kalundborg Og? (who would doubt that? ;-)), with a
      >>>> later
      >>>> > >> recorded soundtrack. This is where my brother and I seriously wonder :
      >>>> > >> obviously, Louis is quite away from the microphone at times, whereas
      the
      >>>> > >> sound is perfect; but on the other hand, it is quite unlikely that he
      >>>> later
      >>>> > >> dubbed his own performance with such a perfect synchronization, so....
      a
      >>>> > >> studio recording with carefully hidden mikes, with a fake audience?
      Does
      >>>> > >> anyone know?
      >>>> > >>
      >>>> > >>
      >>> > >
      >>> > >
      >>> > >
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      >>> > >
      >>> > >
      >>> > >
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      >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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      >>> > >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
      >> > howard@...
      >> > Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
      >> >
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      Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
      howard@...
      Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098




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    • Peter Reid
      1931 Josephine Baker You re Driving Me Crazy Can someone help me with the name of the band please and specifically the muted trumpet (cornet) behind her
      Message 2 of 19 , Nov 21, 2014
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        1931 Josephine Baker
        "You're Driving Me Crazy"
        Can someone help me with the name of the band please and specifically
        the muted trumpet (cornet)
        behind her vocal. Another "el cheapo" double CD bereft of any
        information except the recording year.

        Peter L
      • Patrice Champarou
        ... From: Peter Reid reid1947@impulse.net.au [RedHotJazz] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:08 PM To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RedHotJazz]
        Message 3 of 19 , Nov 21, 2014
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          -----Message d'origine-----
          From: Peter Reid reid1947@... [RedHotJazz]
          Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:08 PM
          To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [RedHotJazz] Josephine Baker

          1931 Josephine Baker
          "You're Driving Me Crazy"
          Can someone help me with the name of the band please and specifically
          the muted trumpet (cornet)
          behind her vocal.

          Le Mélodie-Jazz du Casino de Paris sous la direction de M. Edmond Mahieux, I
          could not find the personnel but it may be a good starting point.
          P.
        • ROBERT R. CALDER
          Josephine Baker (vcl)  le Melodic Jazz du Casino de Paris : Léon Jacobs, René Compère (tp) Jules Testaert (tb) André Sauré (sopranino,cl,vln) Joe Hayman
          Message 4 of 19 , Nov 21, 2014
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            Josephine Baker (vcl)  le Melodic Jazz du Casino de Paris : Léon Jacobs, René Compère (tp) Jules
            Testaert (tb) André Sauré (sopranino,cl,vln) Joe Hayman (as) Romeo Silva (ts) Luis Lopez
            Da Silva (bassax) Gabriel Radics (vln) Fritz Stamer (p) Oscar Aleman (g) Sigismund Beck (b)

            Bibiano Miranda de Abreu (d) Paris, June 6, 1931



            You're drivin' me crazy AAD (F)251277-2
            You're the one I care for


            This is the extent of personnel details in the Bruyninckx discography I have.

            There was no record available of earlier session personnels and this was the last date listed.

            Maybe more info has been unearthed, but this is the session asked about.

            I see the date was the birthday of a friend of mine who had a fetching photo of Josephine B in his study..
            Nice too to be reminded of him,.

            Robert
          • Peter Reid
            Thank you Patrice and Robert for your help. Whoever the trumpeter behind Josephine is, Leon or Rene, he is great. Peter L On 11/22/2014 1:23 AM, ROBERT R.
            Message 5 of 19 , Nov 21, 2014
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              Thank you Patrice and Robert for your help. Whoever the trumpeter behind Josephine is, Leon or Rene,
              he is great.

              Peter L

              On 11/22/2014 1:23 AM, 'ROBERT R. CALDER' serapion@... [RedHotJazz] wrote:
               



              Josephine Baker (vcl)  le Melodic Jazz du Casino de Paris : Léon Jacobs, René Compère (tp) Jules
              Testaert (tb) André Sauré (sopranino,cl,vln) Joe Hayman (as) Romeo Silva (ts) Luis Lopez
              Da Silva (bassax) Gabriel Radics (vln) Fritz Stamer (p) Oscar Aleman (g) Sigismund Beck (b)

              Bibiano Miranda de Abreu (d) Paris, June 6, 1931

              You're drivin' me crazy AAD (F)251277-2
              You're the one I care for

              This is the extent of personnel details in the Bruyninckx discography I have.

              There was no record available of earlier session personnels and this was the last date listed.

              Maybe more info has been unearthed, but this is the session asked about.

              I see the date was the birthday of a friend of mine who had a fetching photo of Josephine B in his study..
              Nice too to be reminded of him,.

              Robert


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