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  • John McCusker
    This must be a late April Fool s joke. Percy Humphrey was 2 years old when Bolden was sent to the mental hospital. ... From: Robert
    Message 1 of 14 , May 18 7:04 AM
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      This must be a late April Fool's joke. Percy Humphrey was 2 years old when Bolden was sent to the mental hospital.


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      From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
      Subject: [RedHotJazz] It Must be True...
      To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 3:13 AM







       









      According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "



      Robert Greenwood






















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    • Robert
      It s the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly. Robert Greenwood.
      Message 2 of 14 , May 18 8:26 AM
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        It's the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly.

        Robert Greenwood.


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      • Mordechai Litzman
        Here is a recent recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band outplaying the Cincinatti Pops Symphonic Orchestra on Bourbon Street Parade. Cannot figure out
        Message 3 of 14 , May 18 10:22 AM
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          Here is a recent recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band outplaying the
          Cincinatti Pops Symphonic Orchestra on Bourbon Street Parade. Cannot figure out
          the role of the the Pops even though they all seem to be playing along (all
          75(?) of them).
          Perhaps somebody out there can explain it to me....


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8eBifVyps





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          From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
          To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 4:13:23 AM
          Subject: [RedHotJazz] It Must be True...


          According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has
          toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as
          Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "

          Robert Greenwood




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        • Mike Amato
          Why is the PHJB being downplayed?    Aren t they the Creators of Jazz (along with Al Jolson)?   Mike ... From: Robert
          Message 4 of 14 , May 18 10:24 AM
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            Why is the PHJB being downplayed? 
             
            Aren't they the Creators of Jazz (along with Al Jolson)?
             
            Mike

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            From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
            Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...
            To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 11:26 AM


             



            It's the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly.

            Robert Greenwood.

            --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, John McCusker <ory1886@...> wrote:
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          • ikey100
            I guess what is meant is that the PHJB was playing along with the Buddy Bolden cylinder, but next month they will correct that howler and clarify that in fact
            Message 5 of 14 , May 18 11:56 AM
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              I guess what is meant is that the PHJB was playing along with the Buddy Bolden cylinder, but next month they will correct that howler and clarify that in fact they meant that it was a Buddy Petit cylinder.

              Seriously, the best thing PHJB has done recently is a series with the Del McCoury bluegrass band, at times mixing and matching personnel to illustrate (perhaps surprising) compatibility between the two styles.

              Warren
            • serapion@btinternet.com
              Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ????? Bolden s appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....
              Message 6 of 14 , May 18 12:26 PM
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                Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????

                Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....

                and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there started to think there isn't anybody here....
                just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'

                --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@...> wrote:
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              • Robert
                It s about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are
                Message 7 of 14 , May 25 5:35 AM
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                  It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are not lost forever.

                  Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean Pierre Alessi who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and specialists in New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings were made with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his career...".

                  And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill Broonzy published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful quotation from Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide! I'm quite sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."

                  Robert G.

                  --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "serapion@..." <serapion@...> wrote:
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                  > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
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                  > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....
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                  > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there started to think there isn't anybody here....
                  > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
                  >
                  > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
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                  > > Robert Greenwood
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                • Dan Van Landingham
                  I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a matter of opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great
                  Message 8 of 14 , May 25 12:16 PM
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                    I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a matter of
                    opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great player.As
                    he was committed to a mental institution in
                    1907 seemed to dispel the notion he recorded for Edison.I was operated on last
                    week for cataract surg-
                    ey and I can now read again thanks to a pair of cheap,$1.00 reading glasses
                    bought at the local Dollar
                    Tree here in North Bend,Oregon.Can someone recommend a good biography for me?The
                    only book I
                    read regarding Bolden,was Blesh's 1946 book "Shining Trumpets".I have the 1958
                    updated version in
                    storage in Lometa,Texas.I did read the 1946 book around 45 years ago while I was
                    in junior high school
                    here in North Bend.




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                    From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
                    To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 5:35:28 AM
                    Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...

                     
                    It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as
                    the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are
                    not lost forever.


                    Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean Pierre Alessi
                    who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and specialists in
                    New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings were made
                    with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his
                    career...".

                    And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill Broonzy
                    published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful quotation from
                    Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide! I'm quite
                    sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."

                    Robert G.

                    --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "serapion@..." <serapion@...> wrote:
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                    > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
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                    > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic
                    >echoey acoustic....
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                    > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there
                    >started to think there isn't anybody here....
                    > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
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                    > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has
                    >toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as
                    >Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
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                    > > Robert Greenwood
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                  • fearfeasa
                    Dan — What you want is _In Search of Buddy Bolden, first man of Jazz_, by Donald M. Marquis (1978). You ll find it on Amazon quite cheap. JT Dyamond ...
                    Message 9 of 14 , May 25 4:37 PM
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                      Dan —

                      What you want is _In Search of Buddy Bolden, first man of Jazz_, by
                      Donald M. Marquis (1978). You'll find it on Amazon quite cheap.

                      JT Dyamond

                      Ar 25/05/11 20:16 :22, scríobh Dan Van Landingham:
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                      > I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a
                      > matter of
                      > opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great
                      > player.As
                      > he was committed to a mental institution in
                      > 1907 seemed to dispel the notion he recorded for Edison.I was operated
                      > on last
                      > week for cataract surg-
                      > ey and I can now read again thanks to a pair of cheap,$1.00 reading
                      > glasses
                      > bought at the local Dollar
                      > Tree here in North Bend,Oregon.Can someone recommend a good biography
                      > for me?The
                      > only book I
                      > read regarding Bolden,was Blesh's 1946 book "Shining Trumpets".I have
                      > the 1958
                      > updated version in
                      > storage in Lometa,Texas.I did read the 1946 book around 45 years ago
                      > while I was
                      > in junior high school
                      > here in North Bend.
                      >
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                      > From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...
                      > <mailto:robertgreenwood_54uk%40yahoo.co.uk>>
                      > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 5:35:28 AM
                      > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...
                      >
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                      > It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that
                      > gems such as
                      > the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list
                      > passim) are
                      > not lost forever.
                      >
                      > Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean
                      > Pierre Alessi
                      > who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and
                      > specialists in
                      > New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings
                      > were made
                      > with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his
                      > career...".
                      >
                      > And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill
                      > Broonzy
                      > published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful
                      > quotation from
                      > Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide!
                      > I'm quite
                      > sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."
                      >
                      > Robert G.
                      >
                      > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                      > <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>, "serapion@..." <serapion@...>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
                      > >
                      > > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey
                      > acoustic
                      > >echoey acoustic....
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over
                      > there
                      > >started to think there isn't anybody here....
                      > > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
                      > >
                      > > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                      > <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robert"
                      > <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz
                      > Band has
                      > >toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz
                      > pioneers as
                      > >Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
                      > > >
                      > > > Robert Greenwood
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                    • David Brown
                      Hello Dan Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery. Both editions of Shining Trumpets are available to download free from the Internet
                      Message 10 of 14 , May 26 1:37 AM
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                        Hello Dan

                        Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery.

                        Both editions of 'Shining Trumpets' are available to download free from the Internet Archive.

                        Whether one can properly read in this form is moot. Whether it is worth reading at all is maybe a can of worms on which to keep the lid.


                        Dave


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                      • Howard Rye
                        Rudi Blesh was perceptive about what he liked and understood. Often wrong about what he didn¹t like or understand and definitionally not perceptive about
                        Message 11 of 14 , May 26 2:12 AM
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                          Rudi Blesh was perceptive about what he liked and understood. Often wrong
                          about what he didn¹t like or understand and definitionally not perceptive
                          about them. Sometimes absurdly misinformed. The postscript in the second
                          edition reveals that he knew this but really doesn¹t help much. Needs to be
                          read criticially. Which probably applies to everything.


                          on 26/05/2011 09:37, David Brown at johnhaleysims@... wrote:

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                          > Hello Dan
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                          > Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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                          > Both editions of 'Shining Trumpets' are available to download free from the
                          > Internet Archive.
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                          > Whether one can properly read in this form is moot. Whether it is worth
                          > reading at all is maybe a can of worms on which to keep the lid.
                          >
                          > Dave
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                        • serapion@btinternet.com
                          I think it was the late Campbell Burnap who first read out from the sleeve of a bargain LP Charlie Parker, the faceless man, for almost no photograph exists
                          Message 12 of 14 , May 26 6:54 PM
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                            I think it was the late Campbell Burnap who first read out from the sleeve of a bargain LP

                            "Charlie Parker, the faceless man, for almost no photograph exists"

                            Maybe I should have tried to sue Campbell, for this immediately came to mind when the musician wife of a friend showed me the very cheap Parker CD she'd bought and I started laughing helplessly. Apparently I heard Parker playing "Daydream" with the Ellington band ...

                            When I met Earle Warren in Edinburgh in I think 1983 I told him the press write-up for the Festival he was a part of described him as a "Benny Carter stylist" / Was it a young guy wrote that? I said I thought the man was maybe pushing fifty. Earle was uncomplimnentary but stated in a very definite manner, the guy may be (...) but HE HAS NOT INSULTED ME!
                            of course E.G. Crudbum remains the most sickening of far worse than Harris blunderers.




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