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  • Tony Standish
    It must be a rumour, spread by the ghost of Grahame Boatfield - or is young McRae being mischievous! Nice to hear that the old mag has hit the ground running!
    Message 1 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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      It must be a rumour, spread by the ghost of Grahame Boatfield - or is young
      McRae being mischievous!
      Nice to hear that the old mag has hit the ground running!

      Tony Standish
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      From: "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
      To: <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:13 PM
      Subject: [RedHotJazz] It Must be True...


      > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has
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    • John McCusker
      This must be a late April Fool s joke. Percy Humphrey was 2 years old when Bolden was sent to the mental hospital. ... From: Robert
      Message 2 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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        This must be a late April Fool's joke. Percy Humphrey was 2 years old when Bolden was sent to the mental hospital.


        --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...> wrote:

        From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
        Subject: [RedHotJazz] It Must be True...
        To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 3:13 AM







         









        According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "



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      • Robert
        It s the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly. Robert Greenwood.
        Message 3 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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          It's the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly.

          Robert Greenwood.


          --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, John McCusker <ory1886@...> wrote:
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        • Mordechai Litzman
          Here is a recent recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band outplaying the Cincinatti Pops Symphonic Orchestra on Bourbon Street Parade. Cannot figure out
          Message 4 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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            Here is a recent recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band outplaying the
            Cincinatti Pops Symphonic Orchestra on Bourbon Street Parade. Cannot figure out
            the role of the the Pops even though they all seem to be playing along (all
            75(?) of them).
            Perhaps somebody out there can explain it to me....


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8eBifVyps





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            From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
            To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 4:13:23 AM
            Subject: [RedHotJazz] It Must be True...


            According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has
            toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as
            Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "

            Robert Greenwood




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          • Mike Amato
            Why is the PHJB being downplayed?    Aren t they the Creators of Jazz (along with Al Jolson)?   Mike ... From: Robert
            Message 5 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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              Why is the PHJB being downplayed? 
               
              Aren't they the Creators of Jazz (along with Al Jolson)?
               
              Mike

              --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...> wrote:


              From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
              Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...
              To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 11:26 AM


               



              It's the very sort of howler which, if printed in the lay press, used gleefully to be pounced upon and reprinted in Jazz Monthly.

              Robert Greenwood.

              --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, John McCusker <ory1886@...> wrote:
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            • ikey100
              I guess what is meant is that the PHJB was playing along with the Buddy Bolden cylinder, but next month they will correct that howler and clarify that in fact
              Message 6 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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                I guess what is meant is that the PHJB was playing along with the Buddy Bolden cylinder, but next month they will correct that howler and clarify that in fact they meant that it was a Buddy Petit cylinder.

                Seriously, the best thing PHJB has done recently is a series with the Del McCoury bluegrass band, at times mixing and matching personnel to illustrate (perhaps surprising) compatibility between the two styles.

                Warren
              • serapion@btinternet.com
                Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ????? Bolden s appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....
                Message 7 of 14 , May 18, 2011
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                  Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????

                  Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....

                  and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there started to think there isn't anybody here....
                  just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'

                  --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@...> wrote:
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                  > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
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                • Robert
                  It s about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are
                  Message 8 of 14 , May 25, 2011
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                    It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are not lost forever.

                    Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean Pierre Alessi who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and specialists in New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings were made with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his career...".

                    And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill Broonzy published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful quotation from Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide! I'm quite sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."

                    Robert G.

                    --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "serapion@..." <serapion@...> wrote:
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                    > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
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                    > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic echoey acoustic....
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                    > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there started to think there isn't anybody here....
                    > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
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                    > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
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                    > > Robert Greenwood
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                  • Dan Van Landingham
                    I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a matter of opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great
                    Message 9 of 14 , May 25, 2011
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                      I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a matter of
                      opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great player.As
                      he was committed to a mental institution in
                      1907 seemed to dispel the notion he recorded for Edison.I was operated on last
                      week for cataract surg-
                      ey and I can now read again thanks to a pair of cheap,$1.00 reading glasses
                      bought at the local Dollar
                      Tree here in North Bend,Oregon.Can someone recommend a good biography for me?The
                      only book I
                      read regarding Bolden,was Blesh's 1946 book "Shining Trumpets".I have the 1958
                      updated version in
                      storage in Lometa,Texas.I did read the 1946 book around 45 years ago while I was
                      in junior high school
                      here in North Bend.




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                      From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
                      To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 5:35:28 AM
                      Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...

                       
                      It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that gems such as
                      the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list passim) are
                      not lost forever.


                      Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean Pierre Alessi
                      who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and specialists in
                      New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings were made
                      with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his
                      career...".

                      And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill Broonzy
                      published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful quotation from
                      Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide! I'm quite
                      sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."

                      Robert G.

                      --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "serapion@..." <serapion@...> wrote:
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                      > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
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                      > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey acoustic
                      >echoey acoustic....
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                      > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over there
                      >started to think there isn't anybody here....
                      > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
                      >
                      > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz Band has
                      >toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz pioneers as
                      >Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
                      > >
                      > > Robert Greenwood
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                    • fearfeasa
                      Dan — What you want is _In Search of Buddy Bolden, first man of Jazz_, by Donald M. Marquis (1978). You ll find it on Amazon quite cheap. JT Dyamond ...
                      Message 10 of 14 , May 25, 2011
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                        Dan —

                        What you want is _In Search of Buddy Bolden, first man of Jazz_, by
                        Donald M. Marquis (1978). You'll find it on Amazon quite cheap.

                        JT Dyamond

                        Ar 25/05/11 20:16 :22, scríobh Dan Van Landingham:
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                        > I was of the impression that how well Buddy Bolden played cornet was a
                        > matter of
                        > opinion:he was said to play rather badly and others say he was a great
                        > player.As
                        > he was committed to a mental institution in
                        > 1907 seemed to dispel the notion he recorded for Edison.I was operated
                        > on last
                        > week for cataract surg-
                        > ey and I can now read again thanks to a pair of cheap,$1.00 reading
                        > glasses
                        > bought at the local Dollar
                        > Tree here in North Bend,Oregon.Can someone recommend a good biography
                        > for me?The
                        > only book I
                        > read regarding Bolden,was Blesh's 1946 book "Shining Trumpets".I have
                        > the 1958
                        > updated version in
                        > storage in Lometa,Texas.I did read the 1946 book around 45 years ago
                        > while I was
                        > in junior high school
                        > here in North Bend.
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: Robert <robertgreenwood_54uk@...
                        > <mailto:robertgreenwood_54uk%40yahoo.co.uk>>
                        > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 5:35:28 AM
                        > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: It Must be True...
                        >
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                        > It's about time someone compiled a book of jazz quotations so that
                        > gems such as
                        > the one from Jazz Journal and those from John Harris (see this list
                        > passim) are
                        > not lost forever.
                        >
                        > Among the recent candidates for inclusion is someone called Jean
                        > Pierre Alessi
                        > who has asserted in print that "All the greatest collectors and
                        > specialists in
                        > New Orleans jazz will confirm that Louis' (Armstrong) best recordings
                        > were made
                        > with his sextet in New Orleans, that-is-to-say in the early years of his
                        > career...".
                        >
                        > And "I Feel So Good", Bob Reisman's excellent biography of Big Bill
                        > Broonzy
                        > published by University of Chicago Press, contains a wonderful
                        > quotation from
                        > Chris Barber: "Big Bill could have had giant hit records. Worldwide!
                        > I'm quite
                        > sure. Because Lonnie Donegan would have carried him off."
                        >
                        > Robert G.
                        >
                        > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                        > <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>, "serapion@..." <serapion@...>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Was there not a series of Swing to Spiritualism concerts ?????
                        > >
                        > > Bolden's appearances a great disappointment because of the echoey
                        > acoustic
                        > >echoey acoustic....
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > and the concerts sometimes ending early because the musicians over
                        > there
                        > >started to think there isn't anybody here....
                        > > just before the premiere of Jelly's 'Live Man Blues'
                        > >
                        > > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                        > <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robert"
                        > <robertgreenwood_54uk@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > According to the latest Jazz Journal " The Preservation Hall Jazz
                        > Band has
                        > >toured for almost 50 years sometimes playing alongside such jazz
                        > pioneers as
                        > >Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong "
                        > > >
                        > > > Robert Greenwood
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                      • David Brown
                        Hello Dan Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery. Both editions of Shining Trumpets are available to download free from the Internet
                        Message 11 of 14 , May 26, 2011
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                          Hello Dan

                          Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery.

                          Both editions of 'Shining Trumpets' are available to download free from the Internet Archive.

                          Whether one can properly read in this form is moot. Whether it is worth reading at all is maybe a can of worms on which to keep the lid.


                          Dave


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                        • Howard Rye
                          Rudi Blesh was perceptive about what he liked and understood. Often wrong about what he didn¹t like or understand and definitionally not perceptive about
                          Message 12 of 14 , May 26, 2011
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                            Rudi Blesh was perceptive about what he liked and understood. Often wrong
                            about what he didn¹t like or understand and definitionally not perceptive
                            about them. Sometimes absurdly misinformed. The postscript in the second
                            edition reveals that he knew this but really doesn¹t help much. Needs to be
                            read criticially. Which probably applies to everything.


                            on 26/05/2011 09:37, David Brown at johnhaleysims@... wrote:

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                            > Hello Dan
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                            > Nice to have you back and all best wishes for a speedy recovery.
                            >
                            > Both editions of 'Shining Trumpets' are available to download free from the
                            > Internet Archive.
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                            > Whether one can properly read in this form is moot. Whether it is worth
                            > reading at all is maybe a can of worms on which to keep the lid.
                            >
                            > Dave
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                            Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
                            howard@...
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                          • serapion@btinternet.com
                            I think it was the late Campbell Burnap who first read out from the sleeve of a bargain LP Charlie Parker, the faceless man, for almost no photograph exists
                            Message 13 of 14 , May 26, 2011
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                              I think it was the late Campbell Burnap who first read out from the sleeve of a bargain LP

                              "Charlie Parker, the faceless man, for almost no photograph exists"

                              Maybe I should have tried to sue Campbell, for this immediately came to mind when the musician wife of a friend showed me the very cheap Parker CD she'd bought and I started laughing helplessly. Apparently I heard Parker playing "Daydream" with the Ellington band ...

                              When I met Earle Warren in Edinburgh in I think 1983 I told him the press write-up for the Festival he was a part of described him as a "Benny Carter stylist" / Was it a young guy wrote that? I said I thought the man was maybe pushing fifty. Earle was uncomplimnentary but stated in a very definite manner, the guy may be (...) but HE HAS NOT INSULTED ME!
                              of course E.G. Crudbum remains the most sickening of far worse than Harris blunderers.




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