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Chronological Classics (French) series

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  • soxfanlawman
    Does anyone know of a way to obtain either the original CDs or MP3 conversions of the French Chronological Classics series that eventually grew to encompass
    Message 1 of 11 , Feb 13, 2011
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      Does anyone know of a way to obtain either the original CDs or MP3 conversions of the French "Chronological Classics" series that eventually grew to encompass nearly all pre-1953 jazz? They seem to go for ridiculous prices on amazon and similar sites.
    • Gerd Heinlein
      Go to http://jazz.abeillemusique.com/ and call up the label Chronological Classics in the Recherche bar. G.Heinlein
      Message 2 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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        Go to http://jazz.abeillemusique.com/ and call up the label Chronological
        Classics in the 'Recherche' bar.

        G.Heinlein

        On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:05:03PM -0000, soxfanlawman wrote:
        > Does anyone know of a way to obtain either the original CDs or MP3 conversions of the French "Chronological Classics" series that eventually grew to encompass nearly all pre-1953 jazz? They seem to go for ridiculous prices on amazon and similar sites.
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      • patrice.champarou@free.fr
        ... From: soxfanlawman Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:05 PM To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RedHotJazz] Chronological Classics (French) series ...
        Message 3 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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          -----Message d'origine-----
          From: soxfanlawman
          Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:05 PM
          To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [RedHotJazz] Chronological Classics (French) series

          > Does anyone know of a way to obtain either the original CDs or MP3
          > conversions
          > of the French "Chronological Classics" series that eventually grew to
          > encompass
          > nearly all pre-1953 jazz? They seem to go for ridiculous prices on amazon
          > and similar sites.

          I do not know of any goldmine from which you could get the whole (900+)
          collection for cheap... there are several on eMusic (fair, but not best
          quality mp3's), I think Worlds Records used to have some, the largets source
          at the moment seems to be http://www.abeillemusique.com/ who claim they
          sell "CD quality" files (I did not check if they were actually .wav) for,
          er... cheap CD prices.

          Patrice
        • David Brown
          Chronogical (sic -- as they never corrected) Classics were a remarkable logistical achievement but all the music from the classic era -- our era -- i.e. up
          Message 4 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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            Chronogical (sic -- as they never corrected) Classics were a remarkable
            logistical achievement but all the music from the 'classic' era --'our'
            era -- i.e. up to 1930 -- is available in better sound quality on small
            specialist labels Frog, Timeless, Retrieval, early JSP and Jazz Oracle,
            mostly in transcriptions by John R.T.Davies.

            Most, if not all, of these are still available and buy these in preference
            to expensive copies of poorly engineered CCs or dubious downloads thereof.


            Dave













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          • Howard Rye
            While buying these labels where they exist is a no-brainer the statement that all the music from the classic era reissued by Classics is available from them
            Message 5 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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              While buying these labels where they exist is a no-brainer the statement
              that all the music from the 'classic' era reissued by Classics is available
              from them is sadly untrue. There is for instance quite a lot of earlier
              Fletcher Henderson and Clarence Williams for which Classics is the only
              reasonably accessible source.

              My understanding is that abeille music had the remainder stock from one of
              the distributor-collapses that finished Classics. They used to have quite a
              lot of the actual CDs available for sale but it looks as though most or all
              are now sold out. I did wonder whether they might be selling downloads of
              ones they didn¹t have but a spot check suggests not. There are some titles
              that just never turn up at any price, which makes me suspect that some
              remainders were actually destroyed (or are still in a warehouse somewhere
              while a bankruptcy is settled).

              If only someone would reinstate the far superior competing Masters of Jazz
              series which emanated from Média 7. It was less comprehensive overall but
              more comprehensive for the artists it covered. Their Bechet set for instance
              has never been bettered and includes material which has never otherwise been
              available at all.


              on 14/02/2011 09:59, David Brown at johnhaleysims@... wrote:

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              > Chronogical (sic -- as they never corrected) Classics were a remarkable
              > logistical achievement but all the music from the 'classic' era --'our'
              > era -- i.e. up to 1930 -- is available in better sound quality on small
              > specialist labels Frog, Timeless, Retrieval, early JSP and Jazz Oracle,
              > mostly in transcriptions by John R.T.Davies.
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              > Most, if not all, of these are still available and buy these in preference
              > to expensive copies of poorly engineered CCs or dubious downloads thereof.
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              > Dave
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              Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
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            • David Brown
              Thanks Howard I accept correction. The complete early Henderson with Louis were on JRT engineered Forte label and should be reissued, obviously now by another
              Message 6 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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                Thanks Howard

                I accept correction.

                The complete early Henderson with Louis were on JRT engineered Forte label
                and should be reissued, obviously now by another label, Jazz Oracle ?

                A complete Clarence is also sadly lacking but most is available from the
                quality labels.

                Masters Of Jazz was indeed a truly admirable label and a sad loss but the
                sound on other labels is usually better.

                Chron Classics use only for gaps, the sound quality is the problem.

                There was also the, not to be confused, Collectors Classics -- also JRT --
                which should also be reinstated or covered elsewhere.


                Dave



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              • Howard Rye
                I believe the Collectors Classics series is to be reinstated. I have written notes for a reissue of the Washboard set, so the intention is there! Howard Rye,
                Message 7 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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                  I believe the Collectors Classics series is to be reinstated. I have written
                  notes for a reissue of the Washboard set, so the intention is there!



                  Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
                  howard@...
                  Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098




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                • Michael Rader
                  They did actually correct the spelling for their last issues. John R.T. Davies did some restoration work for Masters of Jazz, e.g. Bechet from about vols. 8 to
                  Message 8 of 11 , Feb 14, 2011
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                    They did actually correct the spelling for their last issues.
                    John R.T. Davies did some restoration work for Masters of Jazz, e.g. Bechet from about vols. 8 to 13, some Ellington, some later Billie Holiday. MoJ advertised Davies' work in the IAJRC Journal, but I understand they never paid him, so the last issues were mainly Tony Baldwin. Some of the non-JRTD work was good - e.g. the first two volumes of Jelly Roll Morton, which are said to be transfers of 78s.

                    Jazz Oracle seems to be concentrating on the complete Red Nichols Five Pennies etc. which were originally scheduled for release on Mosaic. Forte was owned jointly by the late Jeff Healey and Colin Bray of JO, so the quesion is whether JO is entitled to reissue them. There was a pirate reissue on King Jazz, now probably as difficult to track down as the Forte.

                    Michael Rader





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                  • soxfanlawman
                    Will the reinstatement involve reissuing the 960+ titles already released? Any idea when that is slated to happen?
                    Message 9 of 11 , Feb 15, 2011
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                      Will the reinstatement involve reissuing the 960+ titles already released?

                      Any idea when that is slated to happen?

                      --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
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                      > I believe the Collectors Classics series is to be reinstated. I have written
                      > notes for a reissue of the Washboard set, so the intention is there!
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                      > Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
                      > howard@...
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                    • Michael Rader
                      This is not the Chron(olo)gical Classics series, but the Danish Collectors Classics series. The former are almost all available as downloads from Amazon (and
                      Message 10 of 11 , Feb 16, 2011
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                        This is not the Chron(olo)gical Classics series, but the Danish Collectors Classics series. The former are almost all available as downloads from Amazon (and Abeille Musique) anyway. However you don't get the artwork, which might be essential for some collectors who want a "Readers Digest" style collection.

                        In almost all cases, there are superior transfers of classic recordings (Armstrong, Basie, Ellington etc.) available, but the series does close some gaps later on (e.g. post 1945) for recordings the high-end reissue labels never got around to. In many cases, Chronological Classics used transfers of old LPs including such horrors as added echo or simulated stereo. They were never really cheap, so I fail to see why they fetch enormous prices even when superior alternatives are still available.

                        Michael Rader







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                        Will the reinstatement involve reissuing the 960+ titles already released?



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                      • Michael Rader
                        A case in point about the cost/quality ratio: Chronical Classics issues of McKinney s Cotton Pickers fetch about 50 Euros while Frog still has a superior and
                        Message 11 of 11 , Feb 16, 2011
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                          A case in point about the cost/quality ratio: Chronical Classics issues of McKinney's Cotton Pickers fetch about 50 Euros while Frog still has a superior and complete reissue of the band (all alternate takes, newly remastered) for a little over ten pounds each. Even via Amazon, you could buy all three Frogs for a lower price than a single volume of the ChroCs.

                          Michael Rader





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