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Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: JacksonŽs Southern Stompers

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  • Michael Rader
    K.B., You re definitely right about the Williams reed players (see our never-ending thread about the clarinet on Red Hot Flo ). There are many sessions
    Message 1 of 1 , Nov 11, 2009

      You're definitely right about the Williams reed players (see our never-ending thread about the clarinet on "Red Hot Flo"). There are many sessions around that time where the identity of the reed players hasn't been resolved satisfactorily.

      As a caveat we should remember that Lord's publication was prepared by a serialised discography by the Storyville team, who presumably had long and controversial listening sessions. Of course, we have wonderful transfers at our disposal (and hopefully good ears;-).
      All the best,


      > Michael, sorry, yes, I forgot to name St. Clair. It certainly is him!
      > The Ristic personnel listed Buster Bailey as clarinetist, but I think
      > it is just Ben Whitted on clt, with his simple and functional down-to-
      > earth and no-nonsense clt-style. He is a much better man than
      > hitherto regarded!! (I think, Harry DialŽs claim that Whitted was
      > thrown out of WallerŽs Rhythm because of being unable to improvise is
      > simple nonsense. He was not a spectacular musician as others were,
      > rather modest and unassuming.) Also, the Ristic sleeve said, that
      > there is no piano. Charlie Johnson himself was a very unassuming man (
      > just think of his recorded output) and not a great piano player, but
      > a great leader to his band, so it would be obvious for him to stay in
      > the background, especially, as these were stock arrangements.
      > Re Ben Whitted: It would be most rewarding to check all through the
      > reedmen in the Clarence Williams bands, as listed in Tom Lord. I
      > myself have found a lot of better "guesses"! But about that in a
      > later Yahoo item!
      > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <Rader.Michael@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Listening ten or so times for the trumpet really is dedication ;-)
      > and if the Hot'n'Sweet uses the Davies transfer, it can't entirely be
      > torture. After what KB said, I listened particularly for the drums
      > and the rhythm section and while I think I hear drums similar to
      > those on the Charlie Johnson Victors, especially in one passage
      > towards the end of "Dusky Stevedore", I'm also fairly sure that it is
      > Cyrus St. Clair on the brass bass instrument - when he come to the
      > foreground, he sounds like the St. Clair we all know from Clarence
      > Williams recordings (e.g. the QRS "Midnight Stomp"). Now I'll try to
      > find up-tempo Leonard Davis.
      > >
      > > The notes to the Frogspawn still give the Johnson band as probably
      > personnel, but superficially it does sound quite like the Krazy Kats (
      > better name than Marvin Smolev) on their faster numbers (Horse
      > Feathers, The Terror).
      > >
      > > Michael Rader
      > >

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