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  • yves francois
    Roger (and everyone else interested) I had sent a more detailed info last night to redhot jazz, but it is possible that my computer crashed before it got
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 6, 2008
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      Roger (and everyone else interested)
      I had sent a more detailed info last night to redhot jazz, but it is possible that my computer crashed before it got there, here is a session listing of pre 1939 Newton, will do the rest in the next day or two.
      While I am at this, I will be posting some questions and points re: the Hill band this week as well
      All the best and hope this helps
      Yves Francois

      4 titles, Newton solos on "In A Corner" and "Bright Boy Blues", all other trumpet solos by Bill Coleman, Newton sings on "Lawd Lawd"

      1933 BESSIE SMITH
      4 titles, Newton has a great solo on "Gimme A Pigfoot"

      i title reissued "Long Gone" no solo, band is basically background

      1936 ART KARLE
      4 titles, excellent examples of Newton ("Lights Out" excellent muted solo), pick up date led by ex Goodman tenor man, Joe Bushkin, Mezz and drummer George Stafford

      1936 MEZZ MEZZROW
      5 titles (one a 2 part "Ise A Muggin')

      1936 TEDDY HILL
      5 titles, 4 issued
      big band, Newton solos on 'At The Rug Cutter's Ball" and "Blue Rhythm Fantasize", trumpet solo on "Passionette" is Bill Dillard

      3 sessions, 10 issued titles, numerous alternates have been issued as well
      probably Newton's best work is on the first 2 sessions, famous, with Edmond Hall, Pete Brown, Cecil Scott and Cozy Cole

      1937 TEDDY HILL Bluebird sessions
      12 titles, mostly commercial. Newton solos on "Where Is The Sun", "The You And Me That Used To Be" and "China Boy" (the latter is excellent), I think he is the soloist on "The Love Bug" but it is the one solo that puzzles me, could it be Dillard? The rest (like "Big Boy Blue") are by Shad Collins, or on occasion Bill Dillard

      6 titles, with alternates on "Juvbelista" aka "Emperor Jones"
      solos on "Emperor Jones", "Shame On You" and "Admiration"

      4 titles

      4 titles

      4 titles, split session

      2 sessions, 8 titles

      possible involvement on a session with Bob Carroll and Teddy Bunn, will write an e mail later regarding this as well

      soundtrack "Ride red Ride" I would not bet my life this is Newton, does not quite look like him, sound is similar, solo's is half Allen's from the 1935 78. Trumpeter on film is about Newton's height but the face looks different IMHO.

      one final note: a recent 2 cd set on Jasmine came out of Newton. I want to let you know what titles are not Frankie Newton solos for clarity:

      TEDDY HILL : PASSIONETTE (Bill Dillard)
      BIG BOY BLUE (Shad Collins)
      BUCK RAM : MORNING MIST (Shad Collins)
      and the open trumpet solo on TWILIGHT IN TEHRAN is by Shad Collins, Newton takes the tight cup muted solo.
    • Dan Van Landingham
      Shaw,from what I remember,had read Marx.He wasn t a card carrying Marxist but McCarthy did speak to him about it.Ava Gardner remembered that when she was
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        Shaw,from what I remember,had read Marx.He wasn't a card carrying Marxist but McCarthy
        did speak to him about it.Ava Gardner remembered that when she was married to the man
        he brought her Marx's Das Kapital to read.McCarthy was to have told Shaw that he was a
        "dupe" of the Communists.Some of the information I have came from Shaw's The Trouble
        with Cinderella plus bios I had read about Lana Turner and Ava Gardner.John Best,who was
        with Shaw between 1937 and '39,once described Newton as a G_d D___ed Communist.I
        was sipping Scotch with him back in 1978 at a concert he gave in Eugene,Oregon.I spoke
        with the man off and on between 1995 until his death a couple of years ago.

        --- On Sat, 12/6/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@...> wrote:

        From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
        Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
        To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:54 AM

        Thanks for that. I have much of the material that you mention. the
        sides for Bluebird had Newton,Mezz, Pete Brown,James P.Johnson,Al
        Casey,John Kirby, and Cozy Cole. There are a couple of CDs around but
        they tend to repeat the same sides. One is on Archives of Jazz and
        the other on the Afinity label.
        I wouldn't have said that Artie Shaw was a Marxist and I'm not
        sure that he ever said he was. Newton's politics do seem to have been
        far left but just how far left is hard to determine at this stage. I
        would have doubted that McCarthy would have been interested ina
        rather obscure jazz musician-he had bigger prey. It's this and his
        painting as well as the pretty sparse material from people who
        actually knew him that interests me most.

        Roger Strong

        --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, Dan Van Landingham
        <danvanlandingham@ ...> wrote:
        > Regarding Frankie Newton:He had done a tour of duty(so to speak)
        with Mills' Blue Rhythm
        > band in 1937.I had an album I bought back in 1971 that featured
        Mezz Mezzrow on clari-
        > net plus Pete Brown on alto.I've forgotten the personnel of the
        band save the fact that it
        > recorded for Bluebird in 1939.Newton employed singer Billie
        Holiday  in late 1938.She was
        > with Newton until 1939.
        >      Newton was remembered by some musicians as being an ardent
        Marxist:Artie Shaw
        > and Newton were believers in Marxism.I don't know if McCarthy ever
        latched onto him in
        > his witchhunt which ended in 1954.Newton died that year in his
        late '40s.
        >      The album I spoke of was a "revived" Vintage Series which
        never got rave reviews but
        > it didn't save the series from being a success.Columbia, back in the
        early '60s,released a
        > great boxed set which featured a batch of bands I had never heard
        before.It included early
        > recordings which included Newton,Stuff Smith,Charlie Barnet pre
        1939,a few tracks of J-
        > ack Teagarden's 1939 band plus tracks of Bobby Hackett's
        equally unsuccessful 1939
        > band.Also featured on the album were some 1940 Bud Freeman sides I
        had on album cal-
        > led Comes Jazz which featured Teagarden's trombone plus Dave Tough
        on drums.The
        > boxed set I had was called 52nd Street which was  issued on Epic
        circa 1962.There was
        > so much odd ball stuff I had never heard before or since.It seems
        to me that the album was
        > sold by way of Ray Anthony's record shop.If I do anything,I'll
        check out and see if ebay
        > has it on CD.The name of Anthony's record shop was called Big
        Bands '80s.This should
        > help you out.Newton's birth year was in 1906.It's interesting to
        know that Hot Lips Page
        > was born around the same time and both died the same year.
        > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
        > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
        > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
        > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:09 PM
        > Hi Yves,
        > I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have
        > on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about
        > Roger Strong
        > roger@nikau- nursery.co. nz
        > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@> wrote:
        > >
        > > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@ >
        > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Roger
        > > > ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some detailed
        > > information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can
        > > any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be
        > one
        > > of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post
        > > Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also
        > > great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday
        > > > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I
        > am
        > > very interested as well re his art)
        > > > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet
        > > lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also
        > list
        > > some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who
        > played
        > > with him in Boston in 1943) etc
        > > > Yves Francois Smierciak
        > > >
        > > > Yves
        > > Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there was
        > a
        > > very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different
        > > facets to his character and talents and man who died much too
        > > as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.
        > >
        > > Roger
        > > > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT
        > solos
        > > by Mr Newton
        > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>
        > > > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton
        > > > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
        > > > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The
        > > > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same
        > > sorts of
        > > > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/
        > that
        > > he
        > > > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in
        > > last
        > > > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january
        > 4th,1906.
        > > > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested
        > > > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do
        > > of
        > > > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed
        > anything
        > > new
        > > > or interesting that I can find out about him.
        > > > Can anyone help please?
        > > >
        > >
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      • Dan Van Landingham
        Now that I think about it,Swing Street WAS the name of that boxed set on the old EPlabel issued by Columbia.I also have found out that many of those tracks
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          Now that I think about it,Swing Street WAS the name of that boxed set on the old EPlabel issued by Columbia.I also have found out that many of those tracks were issued on CBS'
          Collector's Series somtime in the ' 80s.One of my favourite 1941 Harry James sides called
          The Mole.I have a couple of Columbia 78s of the tune which use the same master I heard
          via Billy May's studio band in the early '70s(from that Big Band tribute May did for Capitol
          after Glen Gray died and the project ended up in the hands of Billy May.I knew a number
          of the men who took part on those sessions:Skeets Herfurt on alto sax;John Best was one
          of the trumpeters and Al Hendrickson who did a  couple of sessions on guitar.I coresponded with Skeets from 1982 until his death in 1992.Al Hendrickson was a very dear
          friend  of mine.I lost him in July of 2007 and his wife Patti the year before.Both were buried
          in a Coos Bay,Oregon cemetary.John Best and former Shaw alto saxist Les Robinson
          who played lead alto for Shaw from 1937 until early 1942.John was in Shaw's Navy band
          along with drummer Davey Tough who was Shaw's drummer in late 1941 and early '42.
          The only source of band information was found in Billie Holiday's 1956 bio called Lady
          Sings the Blues which she co-wrote with attorney William Dufty.It was outrageously
          inaccurate when compared to the book Billie's Blues by John Chilton from 1973.


          From: Bob Mates <bluesbob@...>
          Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
          To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:09 PM

          Hi. I remember an Epic boxed set, called Swing Street. It
          originally came out in the mid-'60's. I could be wrong, but I
          think it had Will Bradley's "Beat Me Daddy, 8 to the Bar." I know
          it "Flat Fleet Floogee" by Slim and Slam. It had early
          recordings by big Joe Turner, Dizzy Gillespie, The Spirits of
          Rhythm, and others. I also remember that the Reader's Digest
          Album of the Month had a boxed set, called 52ND STREET, which
          featured mostly old Commodore stuff, by Coleman Hwkins, Chu
          Berry, Lester Young, and a lot of stuff, from that famous town
          Hall Concert, from 1945. Great set! Incidentally, a lot of that
          stuff, (the Commodore recordings), came out on a label, called
          Jazzland, which was popular in the 1950's. They were in real
          thin jackets. I had a bunch of 'em; Jelly Roll Morton; Fats
          Waller; Chu Berry; Jimmy Yancey, Etc. Actually, the label issued
          old Commodore and Victor stuff. They were a lot of fun to
          collect. Well, I've really rambled, and not like the guy the
          song is about! hahaha Bob

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        • David Brown
          I would like to offer sincere thanks to Yves for his exhaustive and profound overview of the work of the wonderful Frankie Newton. I look forward to future
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 11, 2008
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            I would like to offer sincere thanks to Yves for his exhaustive and profound
            overview of the work of the wonderful Frankie Newton. I look forward to
            future instalments if possible but appreciate the amount of work involved.

            There are at least a couple of Newton sites online which offer biographies
            and personal reminiscences.

            Critically, I like Charles Fox in 'Essential Jazz Records -1'

            ' Most jazz musicians can contrive to sound either exuberant or melancholy
            but rarely within the same solo. Newton, though, was a trumpeter capable of
            making sudden shifts, able to justify switching from one emotional stance to

            Late lamented Sudhalter in 'Lost Chords' has Frank 'achieving volume and
            high register by pressing the mouthpiece into his upper lip. His sound and
            execution in the final ensembles of quite a few of his records display the
            forced over-percussive attack characteristic of this practice.'

            There is indeed sometimes a strained quality in his work and these technical
            problems may account for the premature end to his career and his switch to
            Flugelhorn and what appears to be bass trumpet. ( There is a photo to be
            found online.)

            This also raises the issues of how both 'incorrect' often self-taught
            technique, especially in brass players, and high note trumpet syndrome have
            moulded the music --- for better or worse.


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