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  • Dan Van Landingham
    I have a  couple of 78s of his which are on Brunswick and Columbia.The sides are Octoroon on Brunswick and I ll Remember on Columbia.I had his Epic four
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 4, 2008
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      I have a  couple of 78s of his which are on Brunswick and Columbia.The sides are Octoroon
      on Brunswick and I'll Remember on Columbia.I had his Epic four record set of King of the
      Bjues Trombone.The records were,however,warped to the point that I couldn't overcome it
      by adjusting either the grams for the tone arm or the tracking.Both were located on the
      rear of the tonearm.I have one Decca 78 of Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen.I found
      all three records at a Coos Bay,Oregon business that specialised in juke box and pinball
      macihines.This was in early 1994:The new owner of Sunset Automatic Music found the
      records by accident.There were literally thousands of like knew 78s.Two 78s I found and
      purchased were by Benny  Goodman with Ella Fitzgerald:Goodnight My Love,Take another
      Guess,'Taint No Use with a Benny Goodman vocal and a final Ella vocal on Did You Mean
      It.I was fortunate in finding the entire session.RCA was sued by Decca over those sides
      because Ella was under contract to Decca via Chick Webb's signing with Decca in the mid
      thirties.Goodman should have known better.The Teagarden sides on Decca were not very
      good.Thank you for the info.By the way,I gave a dollar each for those records in 1994.

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      From: Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...>
      Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.
      To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:52 AM






      Dan--- Keep your eye out for any CDs of Jack Teagarden Orch broadcasts from the Meadowbrook August and September 1939. Outstanding material, much better than what he did for commercial labels at the time.
      Tunes include---
      The Lamp Is Low
      Comes Love
      Aunt Hagars Blues
      Octoroon
      Stairway to the Stars
      Wolverine Blues
      That's A'Plenty
      I Found a New Baby
      ------------ --GILBERT M. ERSKINE

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      From: danvanlandingham
      To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:15 PM
      Subject: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.

      A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
      Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture of
      Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album dates
      between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at the
      age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North Bend,
      Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on the Ca-
      may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of we-
      eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance of
      normalcy.

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    • rogerstrong257
      There have been some issues of Jack Teagarden s big band around over the years. I have an LP on Halcyon HAL-4 and a CD UAE 30222 both from the around 1944-46.
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        There have been some issues of Jack Teagarden's big band around
        over the years. I have an LP on Halcyon HAL-4 and a CD UAE 30222
        both from the around 1944-46. Unfortunately it's really just an
        average sort of big band of the period with only Jack as a soloist of
        any standing. Most of the tracks on the CD as far as I can work them
        come from AFRS broadcasts of the period.
        The big band was a disaster financially for Teagarden as well and
        by the time he joined the Armstrong All Stars he was deeply in debt
        because of the band.
        Some writers have said that Jack lacked the organisation skills
        etc to have become a successful band leader and certainly by the time
        his contract with Paul Whiteman ran out in December 1938 he should
        have been in position to have had a successful big band-for whatever
        reason it just didn't happen.

        Roger Strong

        --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Dan Van Landingham
        <danvanlandingham@...> wrote:
        >
        > I have a  couple of 78s of his which are on Brunswick and
        Columbia.The sides are Octoroon
        > on Brunswick and I'll Remember on Columbia.I had his Epic four
        record set of King of the
        > Bjues Trombone.The records were,however,warped to the point that I
        couldn't overcome it
        > by adjusting either the grams for the tone arm or the tracking.Both
        were located on the
        > rear of the tonearm.I have one Decca 78 of Nobody Knows the Trouble
        I've Seen.I found
        > all three records at a Coos Bay,Oregon business that specialised in
        juke box and pinball
        > macihines.This was in early 1994:The new owner of Sunset Automatic
        Music found the
        > records by accident.There were literally thousands of like knew
        78s.Two 78s I found and
        > purchased were by Benny  Goodman with Ella Fitzgerald:Goodnight My
        Love,Take another
        > Guess,'Taint No Use with a Benny Goodman vocal and a final Ella
        vocal on Did You Mean
        > It.I was fortunate in finding the entire session.RCA was sued by
        Decca over those sides
        > because Ella was under contract to Decca via Chick Webb's signing
        with Decca in the mid
        > thirties.Goodman should have known better.The Teagarden sides on
        Decca were not very
        > good.Thank you for the info.By the way,I gave a dollar each for
        those records in 1994.
        >
        > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...> wrote:
        >
        > From: Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...>
        > Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS
        label.
        > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:52 AM
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Dan--- Keep your eye out for any CDs of Jack Teagarden Orch
        broadcasts from the Meadowbrook August and September 1939.
        Outstanding material, much better than what he did for commercial
        labels at the time.
        > Tunes include---
        > The Lamp Is Low
        > Comes Love
        > Aunt Hagars Blues
        > Octoroon
        > Stairway to the Stars
        > Wolverine Blues
        > That's A'Plenty
        > I Found a New Baby
        > ------------ --GILBERT M. ERSKINE
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: danvanlandingham
        > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
        > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:15 PM
        > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.
        >
        > A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
        > Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture
        of
        > Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album
        dates
        > between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at
        the
        > age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North
        Bend,
        > Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on
        the Ca-
        > may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of
        we-
        > eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance
        of
        > normalcy.
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      • bernice joffe
        interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that
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          interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

          my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie woogie.
          he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the USO , at least that is family lore
          i was only 5 at the time

          any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording- armed service too, and i think
          uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

          if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate




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        • bernice joffe
          oops forgot to sign [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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          • rogerstrong257
            Val Salata -trumpet is on at least 12 of the tracks on my Halcyon LP HAL-4 The Unforgettable Jack Teagarden that I bought from Peter Russell s Hot Record
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              Val Salata -trumpet is on at least 12 of the tracks on my Halcyon
              LP HAL-4 'The Unforgettable Jack Teagarden' that I bought from
              Peter Russell's Hot Record store in Plymouth England in 1971.
              According to the sleeve.
              The tracks he is on were recorded (according to the sleeve) during
              the summer of 1944. Of the 12 tracks he is on one, 'China Boy' seems
              to be a smaller group with Vic Rosi-clarinet, Gish Gilbertson-tenor
              sax, Don Seidel-piano, and Jim Lynch-bass and Frank Hhorrington-
              drums. Val Salata also plays piano on Boogie Woogie.

              Roger Strong


              --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, bernice joffe <tetapeewee@...>
              wrote:
              >
              >
              > interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata
              played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time.
              sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i
              can't find any recordings
              >
              > my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called
              boogie woogie.
              > he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing
              for the USO , at least that is family lore
              > i was only 5 at the time
              >
              > any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one
              recording- armed service too, and i think
              > uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo
              >
              > if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more
              than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate
              >
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            • Duncan
              Don t post very often, just enjoy the other threads but I became intrigued by the name Val Salata and did a search; found that there s a place name of Val
              Message 6 of 13 , Dec 6, 2008
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                Don't post very often, just enjoy the other threads but I became intrigued by the name Val Salata and did a search; found that there's a place name of Val Salata in the Alps:
                http://www.dolomiti.org/dengl/Cortina/ce/mtb/Detail.html?rectoskip=7&totrec=14&folder=esc_tofana&subarea=ampezzo&gruppo=Tofana

                After a steep but short stretch, the landscape changes and opens up to the pastures of Forcella Lerosa and those of Ra Stua. In this area many military outworks are still visible, dating back the 1st world war. Continuing along the path n.6 we arrive at the crossroads of Campo Croce. Here we take a right turn towards Val Salata (path n.6).

                Duncan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: bernice joffe
                To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:20 PM
                Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!



                interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

                my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie woogie.
                he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the USO , at least that is family lore
                i was only 5 at the time

                any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording- armed service too, and i think
                uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

                if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate




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              • Gilber M. Erskine
                Bernice Joffe--- According to Lord s discography, your uncle Val Salata was on 4 transcription reissues from August 1944 in California. Charlie Teagarden is
                Message 7 of 13 , Dec 6, 2008
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                  Bernice Joffe--- According to Lord's discography, your uncle Val Salata was on 4 transcription reissues from August 1944 in California. Charlie Teagarden is in the trumpet section along with your uncle on 2 of these transcriptions, so it is unlikely that Salata soloed on these. Charlie T is missing on the other two, and if there are trumpet solos on these, perhaps Salata is doing them.

                  On August 24, 1944, Salata, Jack T., 2 saxophonists [Gilberton and Rosi] , plus the rhythm section made "China Boy", and indications are that your uncle Val did the vocal and perhaps soloed on trumpet. This transcription is widely available on about 10 labels.

                  Unfortunately, I don't have any of the above material.Val Salata was listed as "probable" on further J. Teagarden transcriptions on September and November 1944, then he disappears completely from discographies.

                  Be proud that you have an uncle that played in Jack Teagarden's band!

                  -------GILBERT M. ERSKINE----- Original Message -----
                  From: bernice joffe
                  To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:20 PM
                  Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!



                  interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

                  my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie woogie.
                  he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the USO , at least that is family lore
                  i was only 5 at the time

                  any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording- armed service too, and i think
                  uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

                  if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate




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                • David Weiner
                  All the 1944 Teagarden transcriptions are on several Stash CDs. Dave W. ... From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                  Message 8 of 13 , Dec 6, 2008
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                    All the 1944 Teagarden transcriptions are on several Stash CDs.

                    Dave W.

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                    Behalf Of Gilber M. Erskine
                    Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:01 AM
                    To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.
                    hey wait!

                    Bernice Joffe--- According to Lord's discography, your uncle Val Salata was
                    on 4 transcription reissues from August 1944 in California. Charlie
                    Teagarden is in the trumpet section along with your uncle on 2 of these
                    transcriptions, so it is unlikely that Salata soloed on these. Charlie T is
                    missing on the other two, and if there are trumpet solos on these, perhaps
                    Salata is doing them.

                    On August 24, 1944, Salata, Jack T., 2 saxophonists [Gilberton and Rosi] ,
                    plus the rhythm section made "China Boy", and indications are that your
                    uncle Val did the vocal and perhaps soloed on trumpet. This transcription
                    is widely available on about 10 labels.

                    Unfortunately, I don't have any of the above material.Val Salata was listed
                    as "probable" on further J. Teagarden transcriptions on September and
                    November 1944, then he disappears completely from discographies.

                    Be proud that you have an uncle that played in Jack Teagarden's band!

                    -------GILBERT M. ERSKINE----- Original Message -----
                    From: bernice joffe
                    To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:20 PM
                    Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS
                    label. hey wait!



                    interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played
                    the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during
                    that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

                    my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie
                    woogie.
                    he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the
                    USO , at least that is family lore
                    i was only 5 at the time

                    any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording-
                    armed service too, and i think
                    uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

                    if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than
                    willing to pay any costs for a duplicate




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                  • bernice joffe
                    cause he went to france with bob hope momma said and that is when he died about 1945-6 I have one recording - I llget it from my sister- and post the name
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                      cause he went to france with bob hope momma said and that is when he died about
                      1945-6
                      I have one recording - I'llget it from my sister- and post the name proud- darn right I am .because of him and my mom - my grandmother- I have my love of music
                      I have one picure of his band- if any one is interested I'll uploaded it
                      many thanks
                      bernice joffe


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                      From: Gilber M. Erskine<mailto:gerskine@...>
                      To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com<mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:00 AM
                      Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!


                      Bernice Joffe--- According to Lord's discography, your uncle Val Salata was on 4 transcription reissues from August 1944 in California. Charlie Teagarden is in the trumpet section along with your uncle on 2 of these transcriptions, so it is unlikely that Salata soloed on these. Charlie T is missing on the other two, and if there are trumpet solos on these, perhaps Salata is doing them.

                      On August 24, 1944, Salata, Jack T., 2 saxophonists [Gilberton and Rosi] , plus the rhythm section made "China Boy", and indications are that your uncle Val did the vocal and perhaps soloed on trumpet. This transcription is widely available on about 10 labels.

                      Unfortunately, I don't have any of the above material.Val Salata was listed as "probable" on further J. Teagarden transcriptions on September and November 1944, then he disappears completely from discographies.

                      Be proud that you have an uncle that played in Jack Teagarden's band!

                      -------GILBERT M. ERSKINE----- Original Message -----
                      From: bernice joffe
                      To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com<mailto:redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:20 PM
                      Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!



                      interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

                      my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie woogie.
                      he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the USO , at least that is family lore
                      i was only 5 at the time

                      any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording- armed service too, and i think
                      uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

                      if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate




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                    • RD Blackard
                      Hi All!   I am sorry I don t post often here, but I do follow a number of the threads and am amazed at the breadth of knowledge of bands making up the
                      Message 10 of 13 , Dec 7, 2008
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                        Hi All!
                         
                        I am sorry I don't post often here, but I do follow a number of the threads and am amazed at the breadth of knowledge of bands making up the RedHotJazz Forum.
                         
                        That said, I have missed part of the Jack Teagarden Orch. discussion, but it seems to be focusing on a big band he led c.1944-c.46.  He also led a full size band in the late 30s and early 40s.  I have two LPs - Jack Teragarden & His Orch: "Rompin' and Stompin'" (Swing Era Records LP-1020)...and Jack Teagarden & His Orch: "It's Time For Teagarden" (Sounds of Swing LP-111) - featuring 1939 - 1945.
                         
                        Val Salata is listed on trumpet in 7 tunes from Aug. 1944:  Time Out, Pied Piper, Rompin' and Stompin', Hindustan, Harlem Jump, Swing Without Words, and Well, of Course.  I haven't had the chance to play them, but I do think at least some of these cuts on these LPs are air checks.
                         
                        I hope something here adds to the JT discussion.

                        Two cents from
                        Bob Blackard
                         
                        PS:  My email propgram won't let me clip any of the original messages, so they all follow below.  Sorry.


                        --- On Sat, 12/6/08, bernice joffe <tetapeewee@...> wrote:

                        From: bernice joffe <tetapeewee@...>
                        Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!
                        To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 11:21 PM






                        cause he went to france with bob hope momma said and that is when he died about
                        1945-6
                        I have one recording - I'llget it from my sister- and post the name proud- darn right I am .because of him and my mom - my grandmother- I have my love of music
                        I have one picure of his band- if any one is interested I'll uploaded it
                        many thanks
                        bernice joffe

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                        From: Gilber M. Erskine<mailto:gerskine@twcny. rr.com>
                        To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com<mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com>
                        Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:00 AM
                        Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!

                        Bernice Joffe--- According to Lord's discography, your uncle Val Salata was on 4 transcription reissues from August 1944 in California. Charlie Teagarden is in the trumpet section along with your uncle on 2 of these transcriptions, so it is unlikely that Salata soloed on these. Charlie T is missing on the other two, and if there are trumpet solos on these, perhaps Salata is doing them.

                        On August 24, 1944, Salata, Jack T., 2 saxophonists [Gilberton and Rosi] , plus the rhythm section made "China Boy", and indications are that your uncle Val did the vocal and perhaps soloed on trumpet. This transcription is widely available on about 10 labels.

                        Unfortunately, I don't have any of the above material.Val Salata was listed as "probable" on further J. Teagarden transcriptions on September and November 1944, then he disappears completely from discographies.

                        Be proud that you have an uncle that played in Jack Teagarden's band!

                        -------GILBERT M. ERSKINE----- Original Message -----
                        From: bernice joffe
                        To: redhotjazz@yahoogro ups.com<mailto:redhotjazz@yahoogro ups.com>
                        Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:20 PM
                        Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label. hey wait!

                        interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle Val salata played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time. sometime during that same era uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

                        my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie woogie.
                        he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing for the USO , at least that is family lore
                        i was only 5 at the time

                        any way i begg to differ with u i was able to find only one recording- armed service too, and i think
                        uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

                        if any one any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate

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                      • bernice joffe
                        gosh how can i get a copy of of it? as i write this i am about to cry- my mom and bubba never had any recordings that my sister alice and i could find
                        Message 11 of 13 , Dec 7, 2008
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                          gosh


                          how can i get a copy of of it?

                          as i write this i am about to cry- my mom and bubba never had any recordings that my sister
                          alice and i could find

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