Re: [RedHotJazz] Joe "Tricky Sam" Nanton and other Ellingtonia
- Thanks, Howard. I had thought about Bill Bailey, the dancer, but as the only dates I knew he was associated with Ellington were in 1940, I thought it was too remote. However, the Duke clearly retained his musical associations for long periods, as witness Barney Bigard's involvement, etc.
Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
On the incoming British passenger list (S.S. Olympic, arr. Southampton on 9
June 1933, National Archives reference BT26/1027), which I guess you haven¹t
seen, Bob, Nanton is entered as ³Joseph N. Irish (known as Joseph Nanton)².
Discrepancies between incoming and outgoing passenger lists are commonplace
but when they agree on apparently incorrect information there has to be a
reason. Obviously you are right the family name is in fact Nanton. My best
guess is that his ticket was in that name because someone made a mistake
when providing the shipping company with his details, but we¹ll never know.
William Eugene Bailey was described as a musician on the incoming passenger
list. I did my research on the 1933 Ellington visit a very long time ago,
published in Storyville 88 in 1980, but from memory he was a dancer known
professionally as Bill Bailey. This is confirmed by Klaus Stratemann¹s Duke
Ellington Day By Day and Film By Film at p. 65 and there is a photo on p.66
on which (most of) Bill can be seen. There is more information about Bailey
in the Stearns¹s Jazz Dance. In 1965 he was in ³temporary retirement².
Braud appears as Brand on more passenger lists than this and in this case I
suspect his own handwriting to be the culprit!
As regards the re-writing of passenger lists my only observation is that the
passenger lists of French vessels arriving and departing from both British
and American ports were evidently on internal evidence typed by the French
pursers. My personal theory someone must know this is that they were
generally typed onboard ship from the tickets. It is clear that they were
generally not done from passports, which is surprising.
on 31/05/2008 06:23, Bob Eagle at prof_hi_jinx@... wrote:
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> Most sources give 1 February 1904 for Joseph Irish Nanton's birth. However
> when he returned from his 1933 and 1939 European visits with the Ellington
> band, he gave 30 January 1904 as the date. His death certificate does not
> help, giving 1 January 1904.
> What is the source of the 1 February 1904 date?
> Incidentally, Digby Fairweather follows the 1933 passenger listing in giving
> his name as Joseph Nanton Irish, but census records from 1920 and 1930 support
> the Nanton family name.
> If further evidence is needed of the unreliability of passenger names as
> recorded for passenger lists, Wellman Braud is listed as William Brand. It
> may be that handwritten lists were later transferred to typescript.
> Finally, one William E. Bailey appears in the middle of the listing of the
> bandmembers. He was born in Sedley, Virginia on 8 December 1912, and was
> living (in 1933) at 2130 N. Vanpelt Street, Philadelphia. Does anyone know
> who he was? (Clearly *not* Buster Bailey). Thanks.
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