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Re: Jazz multi-instrumentalists?

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  • Tommer
    The Classical word came early on Schuller s book and was part of the terminology of it to the very end. Tommer ... be taught ... of classical ... (Algerian
    Message 1 of 15 , Apr 26, 2008
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      The "Classical" word came early on Schuller's book and was part of
      the terminology of it to the very end.
      Tommer

      --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Patrice Champarou"
      <patrice.champarou@...> wrote:
      >
      > I think "Classical" does not mean much anyway. Anything likely to
      be taught
      > in classes? In that case, there are plenty of different types
      of "classical"
      > music which request long years and even decades of training
      (Algerian
      > "Nouba", Indian "Raga"...) and still have nothing to do with
      European music
      > of the XVIIIth century. The so-called "classical" standards only
      match a
      > comparatively brief period of time in the history of European
      music, and
      > miss the essence of most folk genres. They're just a grammar, with
      the same
      > type of blind windows as the sets of rules designed to describe
      human
      > languages, plus the ridiculous claim to account for every single
      note played
      > since the birth of mankind, and to be the universal "basis" of all
      musical
      > genres.
      > Instrumental training wih a classical background, or the ability to
      read
      > scores, never hampered anyone's genius, but if you cannot find your
      own way
      > out of their limitations I doubt you can go very far... I heard
      excellent
      > professional musicians actually "improvising" on jazz tunes, with a
      very
      > disappointing result because jazz was not part of their musical
      culture.
      >
      > Patrice
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Tommer" <tommersl@...>
      > To: <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:35 PM
      > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Jazz multi-instrumentalists?
      >
      >
      > >I agree with what you wrote, what I meant is a situation that
      people
      > > think that Jazz = Classical music played by not trained artists,
      or
      > > something like Jazz is a distortion of strict music (Classical),
      or
      > > that all significant ideas in music are contained in the Classical
      > > music and Jazz added nothing to that.
      > >
      > > The more moderated approach of Classical music propogandists is
      that
      > > Jazz is "improvisation" on Classical music, and that was what
      Morrison
      > > (edited by Schuller) were talking about in the interview. Jazzing-
      up
      > > the Tin Pan Alley with drums and improvisations.
      > > Tommer
      >
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