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RE: [RedHotJazz] New Orleans

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  • David Brown
    Michael I am as sceptical as you of Morton as Historian but, considering the mass of other evidence, have no reason to doubt him in this case. Patrice I do
    Message 1 of 61 , May 3 8:43 AM
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      Michael

      I am as sceptical as you of Morton as Historian but, considering the mass of
      other evidence, have no reason to doubt him in this case.

      Patrice

      I do not doubt that there was syncopated ragtime based music being played
      throughout the USA in the early years of the last century -- by whites,
      blacks and mulattos. But I have no evidence to revise my believe in N.O. as
      'birthplace' of Jazz for the very reason of its unique multi-cultural
      position which I previously outlined. List the number of great jazz
      musicians in the first --or first and a half-- generation who came from St.
      Louis, Baltimore, Chicago or New York or anywhere other than New Orleans. I
      also think it better to retain the initial thread title as long as possible.
      This one is now split three ways, confusing as we are still discussing the
      same substance.

      Howard

      Like your analysis of Creole definition and cannot disagree but add the
      Spanish 'tinge' either direct or via West Indies. I agree that these
      definitions are no way mutually exclusive but I think the 'Afro' the
      weakest. This is certainly so if we consider how the Creoles defined
      themselves, their aspirations were to be European, not American and
      certainly not African.The same book I quoted 'Mister Jelly Lord' contains an
      ' Interlude' including an interview with the 'first' jazz clarinettist Big
      Eye Louis Nelson Delisle, whose tragedy was that he was very black and had
      trouble being accepted as Creole and whose racial ambiguity is evident in
      the alternative surnames. In a way this racism is worse than the blatant
      segregationist obscenities which I would actually think were more
      responsible for the Creoles having to join the black local then their
      musical or social inclinations.

      Dave


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    • Nigel Burlinson
      Annette was issued as Dot Dare on: Diva 2792/Harmony 792H (I Wanna Be Loved By You & Is There Anything Wrong In That?) and Diva 2829/Harmony 829H (I Faw Down
      Message 61 of 61 , Oct 17, 2012
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        Annette was issued as "Dot Dare" on:

        Diva 2792/Harmony 792H (I Wanna Be Loved By You & Is There Anything Wrong In That?)
        and
        Diva 2829/Harmony 829H (I Faw Down An' Go Boom) & Don't Be Like That)


        Nigel


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bob Smith
        To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:39 PM
        Subject: [RedHotJazz] Annette Hanshaw, Puritone 1041



        Dear Patrice,

        I used the long URL, and that opened the E-Bay page. I then made a new TinyURL, and this resulted in exactly the same letter combination that you obtained, and this also worked fine. So I then tried your TinyURL again, and this also worked fine today!

        I must confess that it's difficult to be wise about the Internet.

        I've also had a look at the Tom Lord Jazz Discography (2011 edition). This says that the 'Dot Dare' pseudonym was only used on the two titles that are on Puritone, but doesn't mention the Puritone record, only naming the Harmony issue (Harmony 829-H) as does 'Jazz Directory' (1952 edition).

        Kind Regards

        Bob Smith

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