RE: [RedHotJazz] Did Whiteman Steal form Oliver? ("Singin' the Blues, Bix, and Tram" More Ab...
- Thank you, Albert, for having the moxie to take what, in many circles, will
be considered an errant opinion.
Whiteman was a relatively popular and financially successful musician
/entrepreneur ... and an unabashed self-promoter. But, his contribution to
the (jazz?) music of his time should not be dismissed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Haim
Sent: 4/28/2006 8:33:17 AM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Did Whiteman Steal form Oliver? ("Singin' the Blues,
Bix, and Tram" More Ab...
--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Walter Five <walterfive_666@...> wrote:
> Oliver was being dismissive; he knew what was being stolen from
him: guys like Paul Whiteman were playing luke-warm Jazz
"arrangements" at best, and being hailed as "King" in their own right.
I cannot let that comment pass without expressing my complete
disagreement. Stolen? Since when does a certain type of music belong
exclusively to an individual, a group of individuals, or a race? You
are echoing the "politically correct" views espoused by Ken
Burns/Wynton Marsalis and company.
What do you mean by Whiteman stealing from Oliver? What precisely did
Whiteman steal? Just think for a minute. Whiteman had been playing his
kind of music since 1918, and his style kept evolving. Whiteman's
music covered a wide range, dance music, symphonic jazz, small group
jazz, Broadway tunes, pop songs, adaptations of classical compositions
for his own eclectic orchestra, made up of symphonic as well as jazz
musicians. Whiteman did not steal jazz from Oliver (or any other jazz
musician), just as he did not steal the classical elements in his
music from European classical composers. Whiteman blended a variety of
elements from several sources, and added his own, distinct, and
unique interpretation to create his personal style of music.
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> Maybe you are right but I wonder how Oliver could listen to Whiteman,Everybody bought Paul Whiteman records.
> I mean , was he allowed to enter a record store that is dedicated to
> noncolored artists music and buy records ? Or maybe he entered one of
> Whiteman's gigs ? Is it possible ?