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[RedHotJazz] Ladnier and Jabbo (was:Thomas Morris (was Re: Louis Hooper - Record Research 77, etc...))

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  • Michael Rader
    While we re at it, Klaus-Uwe Duerr, who has published a series of discographical booklets on 20s musicians, contends that Tommy Ladnier plays on the final
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 20, 2005
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      While we're at it, Klaus-Uwe Duerr, who has published a series of discographical booklets on 20s musicians, contends that Tommy Ladnier plays on the final Georgia Strutters session rather than Jabbo Smith who is usually listed.

      Another topic worth discussing is Ladnier's presence on the Sam Wooding recordings made in various European countries - these are I believe scheduled for a comprehensive reissue on Jazz Oracle. I recall reading that he is being seriously reconsidered for the Barcelona session after having been dropped for a few years. This was due to his identification by one of the other musicians (possibly Doc Cheatham - my memory isn't what it used to be).

      Sorry for all the changes to subject lines, Patrice, but we are veering away from Tom Morris.

      Michael Rader
      Karlsruhe
      Germany




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    • Howard Rye
      ... Yes, Doc is behind this reversion. I did the discography for his autobiography, with his co-operation and input, and he named Ladnier for the Barcelona
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 20, 2005
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        on 20/12/05 10:50, Michael Rader at Rader.Michael@... wrote:

        > Another topic worth discussing is Ladnier's presence on the Sam Wooding
        > recordings made in various European countries - these are I believe scheduled
        > for a comprehensive reissue on Jazz Oracle. I recall reading that he is being
        > seriously reconsidered for the Barcelona session after having been dropped for
        > a few years. This was due to his identification by one of the other musicians
        > (possibly Doc Cheatham - my memory isn't what it used to be).

        Yes, Doc is behind this reversion.

        I did the discography for his autobiography, with his co-operation and
        input, and he named Ladnier for the Barcelona dates. I therefore retained
        him.

        While we're here it has been repeatedly asserted in recent years on the
        basis of adjacent matrices that these sessions took place on 9/10 April
        1929. They didn't. There is incontrovertible contemporary evidence that they
        took place in early July - incontrovertible because the band's appearance
        in Barcelona was from 6-30 June. If the matrix evidence is correctly
        reported the masters must have been assigned in advance (but my guess would
        be that we would be looking at Madrid and Barcelona matrix blocks assigned
        in advance).


        Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
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      • Michael Rader
        In reply to Howard ... There has been some subsequent listening and there are snatches where Ladnier has also been aurally identified - more when I ve found my
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 20, 2005
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          In reply to Howard

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          > Yes, Doc is behind this reversion.
          >
          > I did the discography for his autobiography, with his co-operation and
          > input, and he named Ladnier for the Barcelona dates. I therefore retained
          > him.

          There has been some subsequent listening and there are snatches where Ladnier has also been aurally identified - more when I've found my source for that.

          Michael Rader
          Karlsruhe
          Germany
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        • Agustín Pérez
          Dear Howard I have been doing some research on Sam Wooding s stays in Barcelona in 1926 and 1929, and just found your message from three years ago. I d just
          Message 4 of 4 , Apr 23, 2009
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            Dear Howard

            I have been doing some research on Sam Wooding's stays in Barcelona in 1926 and 1929, and just found your message from three years ago.

            I'd just like to point out that Sam Wooding was playing in Barcelona from (at least) June 1 to July 15. I have "farewell concert" ads for July 15 and a concert ad from May 31 stating that Sam Wooding and his Chocolate Kiddies would play the next day at the Casino San Sebastián in Barcelona's beach.

            If needed, I would gladly provide scans of those advertisements (I have about 30 from his 1929 stay).

            Best regards,
            Agustín Pérez
            Madrid

            --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:

            > on 20/12/05 10:50, Michael Rader at Rader.Michael@... wrote:
            > > Another topic worth discussing is Ladnier's presence on the Sam Wooding recordings made in various European countries - these are I believe scheduled for a comprehensive reissue on Jazz Oracle. I recall reading that he is being seriously reconsidered for the Barcelona session after having been dropped for a few years. This was due to his identification by one of the other musicians (possibly Doc Cheatham - my memory isn't what it used to be).

            Yes, Doc is behind this reversion.

            I did the discography for his autobiography, with his co-operation and input, and he named Ladnier for the Barcelona dates. I therefore retained him.While we're here it has been repeatedly asserted in recent years on the basis of adjacent matrices that these sessions took place on 9/10 April 1929. They didn't. There is incontrovertible contemporary evidence that they took place in early July - incontrovertible because the band's appearance in Barcelona was from 6-30 June. If the matrix evidence is correctly reported the masters must have been assigned in advance (but my guess would be that we would be looking at Madrid and Barcelona matrix blocks assigned
            in advance).
            Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
            howard@...
            Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
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