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  • hvandervink
    Thank you John for the information. I think,though, that tape recording at that time was at its infancy and that it would not have been used for frivolous
    Message 1 of 19 , Sep 25, 2005
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      Thank you John for the information. I think,though, that tape recording
      at that time was at its infancy and that it would not have been used
      for frivolous enterprises as the record industry. I remember seeing
      wire recordings and, although they seem to have been effective for the
      spoken word, they did not convey the nuances of music very well.
      Interesting to follow this development,and where are we
      now?..............Cheers, Hans P.
    • Mordechai Litzman
      In my childhood in the 50 s I remember going to a language teacher and listening and recording to a wire recorder. The sound was of very low fidelity and
      Message 2 of 19 , Sep 26, 2005
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        In my childhood in the 50's I remember going to a language teacher and listening and recording to a wire recorder. The sound was of very low fidelity and definitely unsuitable for music.

        hvandervink <vanderha@...> wrote:Thank you John for the information. I think,though, that tape recording
        at that time was at its infancy and that it would not have been used
        for frivolous enterprises as the record industry. I remember seeing
        wire recordings and, although they seem to have been effective for the
        spoken word, they did not convey the nuances of music very well.
        Interesting to follow this development,and where are we
        now?..............Cheers, Hans P.




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      • vntager8io
        The lengthy Red Norvo session from the concert was almost certainly made on a 16-inch transcription (whether or not for radio use). Transcriptions from that
        Message 3 of 19 , Sep 26, 2005
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          The lengthy Red Norvo session from the concert was almost certainly made on a 16-inch
          transcription (whether or not for radio use). Transcriptions from that time are essentially
          phonograph records that might be made on a glass base (as Howard suggested) or
          aluminum or cardboard base (and some transcriptions were pressed in vinyl for
          syndicating pre-recorded radio programs to radio stations). The base was covered with a
          soft lacquer--sometimes incorrectly called "acetate"--into which grooves could be cut.
          Radio stations used these for recording radio programs, and studios sometimes used them
          for recording extended performances without interruption. They revolved at 33 1/3 rpm
          (even as early as the early 1930s) and typically could hold up to 15-20 minutes per side,
          using standard 78-sized grooves. I've transferred hundreds of these transcriptions to CD
          for the First Generation Radio Archives and some of them can sound quite marvelous. I've
          heard many from the 1940s that sound superior to any commercial 78s of the era. The
          lacquer coating on them poduced an extremely quiet surface, and depending on the
          source used for recording, some of them go into the ranges of being true "hi-fi." If you
          want to learn more about transcriptions, the First Generation Radio Archives has a nice
          write-up about them (with pictures!) at:

          http://www.radioarchives.org/WhatIsET.htm

          Hope this helps,
          Bryan W.
        • Patrice Champarou
          ... I assume that wire recorders had made impressive progress by the early 40 s (can anyone confirm that Charley Christian s live sessions at Minton s were
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            > In my childhood in the 50's I remember going to a language teacher
            > and listening and recording to a wire recorder. The sound was of
            > very low fidelity and definitely unsuitable for music.

            I assume that wire recorders had made impressive progress by the early 40's
            (can anyone confirm that Charley Christian's live sessions at Minton's were
            recorded on that?) and that tape recorders were already available. Maybe
            some specialist could provide better information, but I think tape was
            already used for re-recording technique in 1941, for Sidney Bechet's "one
            man band" and Sleepy John Estes backed by Robert Lee McCoy on both guitar
            and harmonica - great sound!

            Patrice
          • Mordechai Litzman
            I recall an overdub recording with piano player Dink Johnson on American Music playing several instruments, but I think this recording is from 1945. BTW, there
            Message 5 of 19 , Sep 26, 2005
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              I recall an overdub recording with piano player Dink Johnson on American Music playing several instruments, but I think this recording is from 1945.
              BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first recordings with an echo?

              Patrice Champarou <patrice.champarou@...> wrote:

              > In my childhood in the 50's I remember going to a language teacher
              > and listening and recording to a wire recorder. The sound was of
              > very low fidelity and definitely unsuitable for music.

              I assume that wire recorders had made impressive progress by the early 40's
              (can anyone confirm that Charley Christian's live sessions at Minton's were
              recorded on that?) and that tape recorders were already available. Maybe
              some specialist could provide better information, but I think tape was
              already used for re-recording technique in 1941, for Sidney Bechet's "one
              man band" and Sleepy John Estes backed by Robert Lee McCoy on both guitar
              and harmonica - great sound!

              Patrice



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            • spacelights
              ... reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas Waller with Morris Hot Babies). Yes, I love those sides--the effect is also in
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                --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Mordechai Litzman <folke613@y...>
                wrote:
                > BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas
                Waller with Morris' Hot Babies).

                Yes, I love those sides--the effect is also in evidence on the solo organ tunes
                like "Lenox Avenue Blues" (1926; recorded using two microphones), and the
                Louisiana Sugar Babes session (1928; which may have used two studios
                simulataneously). A grand combination, the Camden "church studio" ambience
                and Fats' manipulation of the Estey Pipe Organ...

                > Are these the first recordings with an echo?

                I guess it's a matter of degree. William ("Buster") Bailey's version of "Squeeze
                Me" (May, 1925) has an enormous amount of echo, at least the version
                reissued on (Classics label) CD does...

                John
              • Howard Rye
                ... Surely the absence of this reverb from the other side proves that Squeeze Me was dubbed from the Historical LP whereas Papa De Da Da , never previously
                Message 7 of 19 , Sep 27, 2005
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                  on 27/9/05 9:58, spacelights at spacelights@... wrote:

                  > I guess it's a matter of degree. William ("Buster") Bailey's version of
                  > "Squeeze
                  > Me" (May, 1925) has an enormous amount of echo, at least the version
                  > reissued on (Classics label) CD does...

                  Surely the absence of this reverb from the other side proves that Squeeze Me
                  was dubbed from the Historical LP whereas 'Papa De Da Da', never previously
                  reissued as far as I know, came from a tape from someone who has a rather
                  less good copy of the 78 but at least didn't add any additional distortion.

                  Anyone got a better explanation?

                  Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
                  howard@...
                  Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
                • Ron L'Herault
                  I think record collectors talk about a record entitled Freshie which has a lot of natural reverberation from the large hall/studio where the record was made.
                  Message 8 of 19 , Sep 27, 2005
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                    I think record collectors talk about a record entitled 'Freshie" which has a
                    lot of natural reverberation from the large hall/studio where the record was
                    made. I think it was by Waring's Pennsylvanians, but I am not sure.
                    Googling the title may get you more info.

                    Ron L

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                    Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                    Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:44 AM
                    To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                    I<SNIP>
                    BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                    reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas
                    Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first recordings with an
                    echo?
                  • uli
                    ... American Music playing several instruments, but I think this recording is from 1945. ... reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris
                    Message 9 of 19 , Sep 27, 2005
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                      --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Mordechai Litzman <folke613@y...>
                      wrote:
                      > I recall an overdub recording with piano player Dink Johnson on
                      American Music playing several instruments, but I think this
                      recording is from 1945.
                      > BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                      reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris
                      (Thomas Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first
                      recordings with an echo?
                      >
                      > Patrice Champarou <patrice.champarou@f...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > In my childhood in the 50's I remember going to a language teacher
                      > > and listening and recording to a wire recorder. The sound was of
                      > > very low fidelity and definitely unsuitable for music.
                      >
                      > I assume that wire recorders had made impressive progress by the
                      early 40's
                      > (can anyone confirm that Charley Christian's live sessions at
                      Minton's were
                      > recorded on that?) and that tape recorders were already available.
                      Maybe
                      > some specialist could provide better information, but I think tape
                      was
                      > already used for re-recording technique in 1941, for Sidney
                      Bechet's "one
                      > man band" and Sleepy John Estes backed by Robert Lee McCoy on both
                      guitar
                      > and harmonica - great sound!
                      >
                      > Patrice
                      >
                      >
                      > Hello,

                      Wire recordings had been usual till the early 50´s, but almost for
                      privat recordings. The inovation of tape recording date´s back to
                      1935 by the German Telefunken/AEG, but these tape records were also
                      Low fidelity with a frequence range to about 8000 Hz.
                      The first High fidelity tape records had been made, also by the
                      German Telefunken about 1941/42 with the need of a High frequence
                      progress to the tape before recording. But Telefunken made a secret
                      of it! In 1943 in Berlin happens the first Stereo tape recording in
                      almost High fidelity (c. up to 15 000 Hz) of the Berliner
                      Philharmonic Orchestra, and very much Radio recordings had been made
                      on Tapes for the German "Propaganda - Ministerium".
                      But out of Germany, nobody knews of this new technology.
                      By the end of the war, this technology was "avaiable" for all and
                      late 1946, early 1947 High fidelity Tape recorders stood in the Radio
                      an Recording studios in the USA.
                      The 1941 Bechet recordings:
                      The old tape or wire recorders weren´t able to record the frequent
                      range of an whole orchestra, but for an single (instrument)voice,
                      quite good. This was the Trick!: Record on voice/instrument after the
                      other, and mix them together into the Discrecorder. A High pass
                      filter was needed. This progess had the standard sound of 1930´s
                      Disc
                      recordings.
                      By the way, the first record tapes had been made out of paper. This
                      was the idea of an tobacco fabrikant in the late 20´s who was also a
                      recording amateur. He put magnetic/ferrit "Dust" between two cigaret
                      papers, which he had from near endless rolls on his work.
                      The German AEG bought the patent in 1931.
                      Greets
                      Uli
                    • Patrice Champarou
                      Hi Uli Maybe this is becoming too technical, still I wonder... ... OK, but if stereo was not yet available and they used a single track, how did they manage
                      Message 10 of 19 , Sep 27, 2005
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                        Hi Uli

                        Maybe this is becoming too technical, still I wonder...

                        > This was the Trick!: Record on voice/instrument after the
                        > other, and mix them together into the Discrecorder. A High pass
                        > filter was needed.

                        OK, but if stereo was not yet available and they used a single track,
                        how did they manage for playback while recording a second instrument?
                        A second head, according to the low speeds they used, couldn't have
                        been suitable for synchronisation...

                        Patrice
                      • Mordechai Litzman
                        No need to Google - just go to the Red Hot Jazz Archives and look under Waring s Pennsylvanians (Trivia question: What is the origin of the brand name for
                        Message 11 of 19 , Sep 27, 2005
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                          No need to Google - just go to the Red Hot Jazz Archives and look under Waring's Pennsylvanians (Trivia question: What is the origin of the brand name for Waring blenders? Answer: Waring's Pennsylvanians, which did commercials for this brand).
                          Of all their recordings, only two were made in LA in 1925, and they both have a nice spacious reverberating sound. The other recording, done on 9/2/25, is called Hay Foot, Straw Foot and happened five days earlier than Freshie, so perhaps it gets the distinction of being the first echo recording. It is a nicer tune as well.
                          Ron L'Herault <lherault@...> wrote:
                          I think record collectors talk about a record entitled 'Freshie" which has a
                          lot of natural reverberation from the large hall/studio where the record was
                          made. I think it was by Waring's Pennsylvanians, but I am not sure.
                          Googling the title may get you more info.

                          Ron L

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                          Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                          Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:44 AM
                          To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                          I<SNIP>
                          BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                          reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas
                          Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first recordings with an
                          echo?




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                        • Ron L'Herault
                          And Fred Waring was one of the inventors of the Waring Blender. Ron L ... From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
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                            And Fred Waring was one of the inventors of the Waring Blender.

                            Ron L

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                            Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                            Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:20 AM
                            To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                            No need to Google - just go to the Red Hot Jazz Archives and look under
                            Waring's Pennsylvanians (Trivia question: What is the origin of the brand
                            name for Waring blenders? Answer: Waring's Pennsylvanians, which did
                            commercials for this brand).
                            Of all their recordings, only two were made in LA in 1925, and they both
                            have a nice spacious reverberating sound. The other recording, done on
                            9/2/25, is called Hay Foot, Straw Foot and happened five days earlier than
                            Freshie, so perhaps it gets the distinction of being the first echo
                            recording. It is a nicer tune as well.
                            Ron L'Herault <lherault@...> wrote:
                            I think record collectors talk about a record entitled 'Freshie" which has a
                            lot of natural reverberation from the large hall/studio where the record was
                            made. I think it was by Waring's Pennsylvanians, but I am not sure.
                            Googling the title may get you more info.

                            Ron L

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                            Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                            Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:44 AM
                            To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                            I<SNIP>
                            BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                            reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas
                            Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first recordings with an
                            echo?




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                          • Mordechai Litzman
                            Here we need Google - check out History of the Waring Blender and you will see how jazz brought us milk shakes etc. Make mine a strawberry-vanilla...... Can t
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                              Here we need Google - check out History of the Waring Blender and you will see how jazz brought us milk shakes etc. Make mine a strawberry-vanilla......
                              Can't think of any other jazz musician that continued playing and at the same time was an entrepeneur. Wait a second, didn't Jelly Roll Morton play to attract people, and then bring them to the pool table?

                              Patrice: Please don't censur this - I am just trying to bring some fun into the serious business of alternate takes, dusty dates, US census irregularities, mysterious spellings of names and Jamaican geography.
                              Ron L'Herault <lherault@...> wrote:
                              And Fred Waring was one of the inventors of the Waring Blender.

                              Ron L

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                              Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                              Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:20 AM
                              To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                              No need to Google - just go to the Red Hot Jazz Archives and look under
                              Waring's Pennsylvanians (Trivia question: What is the origin of the brand
                              name for Waring blenders? Answer: Waring's Pennsylvanians, which did
                              commercials for this brand).
                              Of all their recordings, only two were made in LA in 1925, and they both
                              have a nice spacious reverberating sound. The other recording, done on
                              9/2/25, is called Hay Foot, Straw Foot and happened five days earlier than
                              Freshie, so perhaps it gets the distinction of being the first echo
                              recording. It is a nicer tune as well.
                              Ron L'Herault <lherault@...> wrote:
                              I think record collectors talk about a record entitled 'Freshie" which has a
                              lot of natural reverberation from the large hall/studio where the record was
                              made. I think it was by Waring's Pennsylvanians, but I am not sure.
                              Googling the title may get you more info.

                              Ron L

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                              Behalf Of Mordechai Litzman
                              Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:44 AM
                              To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tape Recordings


                              I<SNIP>
                              BTW, there are some nice recordings from 1927 that use the natural
                              reverberation from a church with Fats Waller and Thomas Morris (Thomas
                              Waller with Morris' Hot Babies). Are these the first recordings with an
                              echo?




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                            • Michael Rader
                              Sorry about the delay in replying to this, but I ve been in Seville for most of the week on business. David French sent me a cassette dub of his own copy of
                              Message 14 of 19 , Oct 1, 2005
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                                Sorry about the delay in replying to this, but I've been in Seville for most of the week on business.

                                David French sent me a cassette dub of his own copy of this, which was quite decent, although by no means pristine. Both sides are completely devoid of echo.

                                It's difficult to believe that Historical would have added echo, since this wasn't in their standard bag of tricks.

                                Cheers,

                                Michael

                                RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 27.09.05 12:15:13:
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                                > on 27/9/05 9:58, spacelights at spacelights@... wrote:
                                >
                                > > I guess it's a matter of degree. William ("Buster") Bailey's version of
                                > > "Squeeze
                                > > Me" (May, 1925) has an enormous amount of echo, at least the version
                                > > reissued on (Classics label) CD does...
                                >
                                > Surely the absence of this reverb from the other side proves that Squeeze Me
                                > was dubbed from the Historical LP whereas 'Papa De Da Da', never previously
                                > reissued as far as I know, came from a tape from someone who has a rather
                                > less good copy of the 78 but at least didn't add any additional distortion.
                                >
                                > Anyone got a better explanation?
                                >
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                              • Howard Rye
                                ... Granted, but if not Historical then whom, because there is no other issue that I know of! Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
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                                  on 1/10/05 12:13, Michael Rader at Rader.Michael@... wrote:

                                  > Sorry about the delay in replying to this, but I've been in Seville for most
                                  > of the week on business.
                                  >
                                  > David French sent me a cassette dub of his own copy of this, which was quite
                                  > decent, although by no means pristine. Both sides are completely devoid of
                                  > echo.
                                  >
                                  > It's difficult to believe that Historical would have added echo, since this
                                  > wasn't in their standard bag of tricks.

                                  Granted, but if not Historical then whom, because there is no other issue
                                  that I know of!

                                  Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
                                  howard@...
                                  Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
                                • spacelights
                                  ... Hearing Bailey s Squeeze Me (1925) on the Classics CD, I thought it may have been a fake stereo issue converted back to mono. Perhaps Herwin (US)
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                                    > on 1/10/05 12:13, Michael Rader at Rader.Michael@w... wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > It's difficult to believe that Historical would have added echo, since this
                                    > > wasn't in their standard bag of tricks.

                                    --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Howard Rye <howard@c...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Granted, but if not Historical then whom, because there is no other issue
                                    > that I know of!

                                    Hearing Bailey's "Squeeze Me" (1925) on the Classics CD, I thought it may
                                    have been a "fake stereo" issue converted back to mono. Perhaps Herwin
                                    (US) issued the track on LP? I think they dabbled a bit in fake stereo...
                                  • Michael Rader
                                    No, Howard is right: there is no other LP issue before or after the Historical, which predated Herwin by quite a few years. Many reissues with reverb added
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                                      No, Howard is right: there is no other LP issue before or after the Historical, which predated Herwin by quite a few years. Many reissues with reverb added came from Germany in the 1960s, but as far as I know there was none of "Squeeze Me" by Bailey. Maybe the producers didn't have access to an original pressing and only had a dubbing with echo added by the owner of the original.

                                      Michael Rader




                                      RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 01.10.05 22:33:25:
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                                      > > on 1/10/05 12:13, Michael Rader at Rader.Michael@w... wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > It's difficult to believe that Historical would have added echo, since this
                                      > > > wasn't in their standard bag of tricks.
                                      >
                                      > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Howard Rye <howard@c...> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Granted, but if not Historical then whom, because there is no other issue
                                      > > that I know of!
                                      >
                                      > Hearing Bailey's "Squeeze Me" (1925) on the Classics CD, I thought it may
                                      > have been a "fake stereo" issue converted back to mono. Perhaps Herwin
                                      > (US) issued the track on LP? I think they dabbled a bit in fake stereo...
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                                    • jazzguy1927
                                      ... wrote: No, Howard is right: there is no other LP issue before or after the Historical, which predated Herwin by quite a few years. I have the Historical
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Oct 1, 2005
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                                        --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rader <Rader.Michael@w...>
                                        wrote: No, Howard is right: there is no other LP issue before or after
                                        the Historical, which predated Herwin by quite a few years.>

                                        I have the Historical lp # 25 also but it only has the one side from
                                        the session which is Squeeze Me.What about the other side from the
                                        session which was Papa De Da Da?I don't have that on any lp or cd.Was
                                        that side ever reissued?
                                      • Michael Rader
                                        I think it has been mentioned before, but both 1925 tracks are on the Classics CD devoted to Bailey. Squeeze me was very obviously from the Historical LP, so
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Oct 2, 2005
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                                          I think it has been mentioned before, but both 1925 tracks are on the Classics CD devoted to Bailey. Squeeze me was very obviously from the Historical LP, so there was specualtion on the origin of the other track.

                                          Michael Rader

                                          RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 02.10.05 08:51:44:
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                                          > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rader <Rader.Michael@w...>
                                          > wrote: No, Howard is right: there is no other LP issue before or after
                                          > the Historical, which predated Herwin by quite a few years.>
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                                          > I have the Historical lp # 25 also but it only has the one side from
                                          > the session which is Squeeze Me.What about the other side from the
                                          > session which was Papa De Da Da?I don't have that on any lp or cd.Was
                                          > that side ever reissued?
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