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9396Re: [RedHotJazz] Bent Persson and Friends play 20's Louis Armstrong

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  • Andrew Taylor
    Jan 10, 2013
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      Dear Howard,
      Sorry for being chippy and rude, must have come out of some dark corner of my mind(!).
      Thanks for sharing all that great information.
      Andrew

      Andrew Taylor (from my iPad)

      On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Andrew Taylor <agt2@...> wrote:

      > It's fairly obvious that many on the site would have known this. But not everyone, obviously. I thought it was worth mentioning in passing.
      > Andrew
      >
      > Andrew Taylor (from my iPad)
      >
      > On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Mordechai Litzman <folke613@...> wrote:
      >
      >> Hi Andrew,
      >> The topic of the Louis Armstrong 50 Hot Choruses has been touched upon previously on this site.
      >>
      >> A Swedish Louis Armstrong collector and biographer found the sheet music with the written breaks and spent decades finding and recording the complete tunes. Various groups were assembled to record the tunes with Bent Persson playing the choruses and breaks. I have the two LPs that were issued on Kenneth. Later, some tunes were re-recorded and added, and these were all issued on two CDs that I also have.
      >>
      >> Here is an earlier post that gives the history. (There are more posts - just type in 50 Hot Choruses in the box above for Search Mail and you will find them)
      >>
      >> One of the big hurdles with the two LP project was to find the tunes associated with the breaks, and I
      >> think that it took some 20 years to complete the project and perhaps a
      >> couple of the tunes were never found. I recall a hilarious story where
      >> the producer Gosta Hagglof in his excitment interrupted a performance in a California jazz club becuse he found the sheet music to one of the
      >> missing tunes posted in an exhibit in the lobby of the jazz club.
      >>
      >> Howard Rye howard@...> wrote: on 7/12/05 15:03, Mordechai Litzman at folke613@... wrote:
      >>
      >> > Here is my source for the story about the the cylinders, which is printed on
      >> > the back of the LP cover on the two LPs on Kenneth titled "Louis Armstrong's
      >> > 50 Hot Choruses for Cornet as recreated by Bent Persson." The information is
      >> > taken from "The Elmer Schoebel Story, Doctor Jazz # 32 (Oct. 1968):
      >> > "During the Chicago days I was sharing office with Walter Melrose of the
      >> > 'Melrose Music Co'. One day, in 1927, Melrose said he was going to publish a
      >> > set of Louis Armstrong breaks but there was a technical problem of getting the
      >> > Armstrong 'hot' breaks down on paper. Finally, Melrose and I hit upon the idea
      >> > of having Armstrong record his breaks. We bought a $15 Edison cylinder
      >> > phonograph and 50 wax cylinders, gave them to Louis and told him to play. The
      >> > cylinders were duly filled up by Armstrong and the breaks were copied into
      >> > written form. I transcribed the breaks which were published. These were not
      >> > orchestrated at any time and were not made for that purpose. I had all the
      >> > records (cylinders), later I turned them over to Melrose. When I was in
      >> > Chicago, in 1949, a collector was offering $ 1.000 per cylinder but Melrose
      >> > and I could not find them."
      >> > In my humble opinion the beginning of the story sounds plausible, but to pay $
      >> > 50.000 for the cylinders in 1949 seems doubtful to me.
      >>
      >> Right. This makes a lot more sense if it was just the breaks that were
      >> recorded. Presumably the titles have been assumed from the published
      >> version. I do agree that it's unlikely that Elmer Schoebel made this up.
      >>
      >> Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
      >> howard@...
      >> Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
      >>
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: Andrew Taylor agt2@...>
      >> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 3:21 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Bent Persson and Friends play 20's Louis Armstrong
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Well, what do you know?
      >>
      >> from Jazz, *1897-1985: Mu-Ro* by Walter Bruyninckx
      >> http://books.google.com/books?id=XRc5AQAAIAAJ&q=50+hot+choruses+for+cornet&dq=50+hot+choruses+for+cornet&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Wc7tULbSGsHa2AWRmIDADw&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBTgK>:
      >>
      >> Armstrong's 50 hot choruses for cornet Vol2- : Bent Persson (cnt,
      >> tp) Jens Lindgren (tb) Tomas Ornberg (cl, sop) Hans Hultman-Boye
      >> (p) Kjell Soderqvist (bj) Bo Juhlin (tu) Christopher Ekhe (d)
      >> Stckholm, May 22, 1976
      >>
      >> - Andrew
      >>
      >> On 1/7/2013 2:26 PM, Andrew Taylor wrote:
      >> >
      >> > The Youtube title was "Bent Persson and Friends play Louis' Hot Choruses."
      >> > For a second I thought that meant they'd adapted Armstrong's
      >> > instructional book "100 Red Hot Breaks for Cornet" (or whatever) for
      >> > which the recordings have been lost. That would be interesting, and I
      >> > bet these guys know them.
      >> >
      >> > Thanks again,
      >> > Andrew Taylor
      >> >
      >> > On 1/5/2013 11:48 PM, Mordechai Litzman wrote:
      >> > >
      >> > > Here are two just issued rehearsals from the Whitley Bay jazz festival
      >> > > in October 2012 with some of the very best classical jazz musicians
      >> > > from the US, Europe and Scandinavia. I could listen to this all day
      >> > > long, and it looks like these guys would enjoy playing together all
      >> > > day long as well....
      >> > >
      >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_0mGsRnO8
      >> > >
      >> > > 64
      >> > >
      >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2IipGA_ko
      >> > >
      >> > > 53
      >> > >
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      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> >
      >> > --
      >> > Andrew Taylor, MLS
      >> > Associate Curator, Visual Resources
      >> > Department of Art History, Rice University
      >> > 713-348-4836
      >> >
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      >> >
      >> >
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      >> Andrew Taylor, MLS
      >> Associate Curator, Visual Resources
      >> Department of Art History, Rice University
      >> 713-348-4836
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