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9362Re: [RedHotJazz] Chicago South Side 1927?

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  • Mordechai Litzman
    Nov 27, 2012
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      Thanks for your thoughts. What I find encouraging is that there are bands who try to play in the less known styles of Jimmy Bertrand and Lovie Austin as examples.

      Personally, the 1923 sides of King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band are among my absolute favorites, but there are only around 37 recordings or so. For me it is a treat to hear a band playing tunes in the style of the Creole Band that they never recorded or issued. There are very few bands who truly absorbed the style of the Creole Band - seems that it requires years of playing together to get it right.

      Right now two examples come to mind: The Dutch band Miss Lulu playing Ragging the Scale, and the German Barrelhouse Jazz Band playing Panama. (There is a Stomp Off CD with recordings of unissued Creole Band sides by Chris Tyle's Silver Leaf Jazz Band but it is more interesting because of the selections than the performance. The Danish Peruna Jazz Band and the British Frog Island Jazz Band do a good job but mainly copy Oliver recordings.)

      I would appreciate it if anybody could point me to true Creole Band style recordings of tunes that were not recorded by them.

      BTW, legend has it that the 50 hot choruses supposedly were recorded by Louis on piano rolls and then transcribed.

      From: ALAN BOND <alan_bond@...>
      To: "RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com" <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:21 AM
      Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Chicago South Side 1927?

      Not too close though.Unlike the 'pop' copyists, most of the jazzers tend to play 'in the style of' rather than trying to be identical. The Brian White/Alan GrestyRagtimers are a typical example of how the jazzers do it as they don't slavishly copy the MuggsySpanier band and, in fact, play many numbers which were never associated with them. I have most of Bent Persson's 'Fifty Hot Choruses for Trumpet', originally penned by Louis but reputedly never recorded by the Great Man. Bent incorporated these into a selection of numbers which he recorded between 1976 and 1985. With a few exceptions I am not a fan of copyists in jazz as it devalues the music and the talent of the musicians, the vast majority of whom are far more skilled than anyone in the world of 'pop'. I expect Dippermouth and High Society to follow the original patterns set by Joe Oliver and Alphonse Picou but even then, many bands set their own style and manage to produce something original.
      Jazz is a music of the moment and it should always sound as fresh as the day it was recorded. If anyone doubts that this is so, you only have to look around your local junk shop where you will find 'pop' records by the hundred but very few jazz records. Where I live they are always snapped up PDQ. Jazz is not a 'throwaway' music unlike 'pop', which a very good friend of mine once described as 'consumer noise', a very apt description in my book.
      TTFN - 007

      From: Mordechai Litzman <folke613@...>
      To: "RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com" <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 5:15
      Subject: [RedHotJazz] Chicago South Side 1927?

      Well, pretty close to the real thing:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC3laQIs8qU%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0%c2%a0 Bent Persson and friends at Whitley Bay 2012

      Here is the original: 

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emnSN1bAqlE%c2%a0 (The tune is I am going hunting)


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