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6446Re: [RedHotJazz] Query about King Oliver & His Orchestra

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  • Howard Rye
    Nov 17, 2008
      This has been worked over too often to arouse much enthusiasm I¹m afraid. We
      don¹t know. We never will know.

      The Frog personnel is probably the one speculated by Laurie Wright on the
      basis of the personnel Oliver was assembling for a forthcoming tour and
      various interview data.

      He also thinks it is Morton aurally but Morton consistently over many years
      denied that he ever worked with Oliver. Fred Skerritt identified himself,
      and named Elkins, Morton, Barnes, Wheeler, Nipton and Moore. There is other
      more nebulous stuff from Clyde Bernhardt who said he was meant to be a
      second trombonist but Oliver failed to contact him in time. He also
      identified Morton and said the pianist was Henry Duncan.

      The solo charts attribute the wa wa solo on Sugar to Oliver.

      Don¹t understand the puzzle about Sugar Blues. Clyde McCoy recorded his
      definitive corn version for Columbia on 22 January 1931. Brunswick were
      covering it with a cheap band.

      on 17/11/2008 09:57, David Brown at johnhaleysims@... wrote:

      > Hello Bob
      > We have considered Oliver, wa-wa and specifically 'Sugar Blues' here
      > before.
      > The personnel in Rust-2 is largely unknowns, however, by the time of the
      > Frog reissue of 2000, a complete 'probable' personnel has emerged,
      > provenance unknown to me. The trombonist is listed here as, and sounds like,
      > Bennie Morton. Morton was with Henderson at this time, as was Rex Stewart
      > who always claimed a date with Oliver.
      > To my ears, the broad wa-wa solo on 'Sugar' cannot be Oliver and the solo
      > on 'I'm Crazy' sounds like Rex.
      > Suggested comparisons, the Henderson 'I'm Crazy' of April 25 1931, on which
      > both Rex and Morton solo extensively, and the 1923 'Sugar' of Johhny Dunn,
      > to whose style the wa-wa of the Oliver version is much nearer than to Oliver
      > himself.
      > Why was 'Sugar' resurrected in 1931 ? Was it a deliberate attempt at
      > archaism ? It is possible to hear the solo here as a pastiche of Dunn and my
      > guess it is Rex.
      > As far as I know, 'Where That Old Man River Flows' was never issued and
      > does not survive.
      > Dave
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