6073Re: Dodds with Oliver
- Jul 18, 2008Thank you, Howard... While Rust lists Junie Cobb on Little
Bits/Struggling, others seem assured of Dodds: I'd agree he's more likely.
Some other dates (addressed here before, perhaps) where Dodds's
presence may be questionable:
10-5-23 King Oliver and His Creole Jazz Band
The recent Archeophone/Off the Record CD lists the clarinetist as
"unknown" on Alligator Hop and Zulus Ball, and "possibly replaced by
Johnny Dodds" on Workingman Blues and Krooked Blues. I would think
Johnny is confirmed for the entire date, both aurally and because
Louis, Lil, and Baby identified him here... This may be my favorite
Oliver session: brilliant original tunes, and Stump Evans adds
another dimension to the band's already unique sound.
5-28-26 Erskine Tate's Vendome Orchestra
Frog DGF 39 has "probably Johnny Dodds" for these--recorded the same
day as the great Lil's Hot Shots sides--but it's hard to hear anything
which resembles his playing.
c. November, 1926 Ma Rainey
Weepin' Woman Blues/Soon This Mornin'--sounds more like Junie Cobb, I
--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
> My conclusion when I did a piece on the Dodds alternative takes for
> Numbers 28 was as follows:
> Little Bits E-3164¹ on Neatwork RP2012; E-3165¹ on Timeless CBC1015
> These are almost certainly not real alternative takes, which may
> the omission of E-3164¹ from the Timeless set, and the dubbing by
> from an old Decca or MCA issue with howling echo. (If anyone thinks
> hear a difference, perhaps they will report.)
> This does not of course prove that there may not be a real
> extant. The Oriole 1000 Series listing in Storyville 6 claims E-3164 on
> Oriole 1008. In Storyville 62, Dolf Rerink reported a copy of
> showing 64¹ in the wax and that this was aurally different from the
> on Biltmore 1088. For the moment I cannot resolve this and do not
> takes which sound distinct to me.
> No reports have been received to amplify or clarify this.
> I would add that long experience (aided no doubt by advancing age,
> cantakerousness, and probably arrogance and indifference to other
> opinions) have made me deeply suspicious of people who assure one
> sound distinct unless they actually tell you what the distinctions
> have never knowingly heard the Biltmore dub but I have heard quite
> dubbings to know that they can easily sound distinct as a result of the
> dubbing process while actually being musically identical. As for
> timings, well I lost that degree of faith in record companies, not to
> mention the domestic tape recorders used in many collector issues, long
> before the advancing age, etc. kicked in!
> If anyone wants to know, here are identifying differences for
> Struggling E-3166 & E-3167 on Timeless CBC1015
> First washboard break:
> E-3166 12 raps.
> E-3167 10 raps, falling into a distinct 4 + 6
> So you can be sure these really are different and don¹t just ³sound
> distinct² to someone.
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