3951Re: When did Jazz die?
- Mar 17, 2007
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From: "Robert Greenwood" <robertgreenwood_54uk@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: When did Jazz die?
> -Patrice, you wrote:
> "... you won't force the African-American audience to support styles that
> were clearly
> related to
> segregation, prohibition, depression and misery, and the most incredible
> unequality - this is purely intellectual nostalgia which only wealthy
> intellectual whites can afford, just like regretting the good old times of
> hard work from sun to sun on the Mississippi Delta plantations which
> produced such fascinating blues!"
> I'm never sure what people mean when they link the jazz of the past with
> prohibition, depression and misery, and the most incredible unequality"
> It's true, of
> course, to say that the musicians who produced the music had to live under
> intolerable conditions, but surely they produced music of such genius and
> beauty that it
> represents an heroic transcendence of those conditions? Would it not
> rather be purely
> "intellectual" for someone hearing, say, the Jelly Roll Morton Red Hot
> Peppers recordings,
> or the Louis Hot Fives & Sevens, only to "hear" in them the evidence of
> prohibition, depression and misery? I, for one, do not believe that
> anyone, without some
> effort of will, like some whining adolescent determined to make themselves
> miserable, could sincerely hear all that in the music. If they do, then
> this is yet another
> example of white, middle class self-loathing and self-flagellation that
> surely dishonours
> the music and the people who produced it.
> Robert Greenwood
Hum! Did I ever say that the music itself expressed anything of the kind???
I don't even think it was "transcending" everyday life by any means other
than being purely recreative, efficient for dancers, and usually joyful. I
just meant that, whatever its instant meaning, music was always "dated" and
that the memory of *that* past was no convincing reason for the colored
audience to hold on to what musicologists consider as their necessary
I could go on with the serious case of young ladies who dress up in the
1920's fashion and do some role-playing, complaining that morals and
elegance vanished as soon as the Beatles issued their first single while
everything was so perfect in a period of time they never knew... but I'd
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