2552RE: [RedHotJazz] New Orleans
- May 3, 2006Michael
I am as sceptical as you of Morton as Historian but, considering the mass of
other evidence, have no reason to doubt him in this case.
I do not doubt that there was syncopated ragtime based music being played
throughout the USA in the early years of the last century -- by whites,
blacks and mulattos. But I have no evidence to revise my believe in N.O. as
'birthplace' of Jazz for the very reason of its unique multi-cultural
position which I previously outlined. List the number of great jazz
musicians in the first --or first and a half-- generation who came from St.
Louis, Baltimore, Chicago or New York or anywhere other than New Orleans. I
also think it better to retain the initial thread title as long as possible.
This one is now split three ways, confusing as we are still discussing the
Like your analysis of Creole definition and cannot disagree but add the
Spanish 'tinge' either direct or via West Indies. I agree that these
definitions are no way mutually exclusive but I think the 'Afro' the
weakest. This is certainly so if we consider how the Creoles defined
themselves, their aspirations were to be European, not American and
certainly not African.The same book I quoted 'Mister Jelly Lord' contains an
' Interlude' including an interview with the 'first' jazz clarinettist Big
Eye Louis Nelson Delisle, whose tragedy was that he was very black and had
trouble being accepted as Creole and whose racial ambiguity is evident in
the alternative surnames. In a way this racism is worse than the blatant
segregationist obscenities which I would actually think were more
responsible for the Creoles having to join the black local then their
musical or social inclinations.
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