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  • Darren
    Hi there! ... I remember in the early 1980s when CDs started appearing, that many of my peers abandoned their vinyl collections in favour of CDs... I am from
    Message 1 of 24 , Mar 12 9:25 AM
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      Hi there!

      --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, mario bucci <iccuboiram@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Trond and the others. I'd like to give my small contribution
      > on this topic.
      >
      > 1.  Industry is interested in selling not only music, but also
      > hardware/technology. For every medium that comes out (except maybe > the vinyl LP) industry commercialises also the means to reproduce
      > artifacts. Since mass technology tends to become cheaper with time, > it is less a matter of one technology replacing another one
      > altogether than new technologies sitting beside older ones.

      ...but I wonder whether the "Industry" cares about the choice it has given the consumer? Plus mass technology does not always equate to it being the most qualitative.

      > 2.  Industry is also interested in multiplying needs/desires.
      > Look at me (but I suspect that many are in a similar situation).
      > I used to buy vinyl, and despite I do not own a turntable anymore
      > I keep all my old LPs and 7"'s. Then I bought/buy CDs, then I
      > ripped CDs to both my portable music player and to a portable
      > hard disk that I can plug into any computer I work on ..... The
      > music is always the same, I paid once or twice for it (in the
      > case of groups like Henry Cow, Art Bears, Faust, maybe I paid it
      > three or four times), but I have at least four sources to listen
      > to it ....

      I remember in the early 1980s when CDs started appearing, that many of my peers abandoned their vinyl collections in favour of CDs...

      I am from the generation that bought and enjoyed the overall aesthetic idea of vinyl... with the exception of Chris' ReR & Co. world, who put a lot of effort and energy into CD production, I do personally like the idea of choice in terms of music medium.

      > 3.  Industry is interested in mass consumption. Mass consumption
      > equals (forgive the simplification) to relatively low quality and
      > the lowest possible cost/price (and standardisation, of course).
      > I hear a lot of heated discussion about lossy or lossless
      > compression formats, but I still remember how many friends were
      > happy to copy my vinyl LPs to cheap cassettes ... cassettes have
      > once been as popular as MP3s are nowadays. It is not that all of
      > a sudden people have lost interest in quality (artifacts, sound
      > quality, etc.) - it is like that since art and reproductive
      > technology have become a mass industry. But mass consumption has
      > always had niche markets alongside. Quality will always exist on
      > the market, because there will always be some people who will go
      > for quality, be it in an artistic and/or technical sense.

      Well, I used to trade live music using cassettes, before the digital revolution amongst fanatics took hold with minidisk and DAT recorders becoming widely available... I have fond memories of straining to listen to King Crimson playing in early venues, as well as Henry Cow and Fred Frith... now you have places such as dimeadozen offering .bittorrent downloads on FLAC, which is arguably more superior to mp3.

      Of course, quality of recording "at source" is another vital consideration, as is the quality of medium we armchair enthusiasts use.

      > (I know that my last statement should be corrected to include
      > the issue of quality that "disturbs" the market and would on
      > purpose be marginalised/excluded by the market, but that's
      > another issue).

      I once provided a historic recording to Robert Fripp's Discipline Global Mobile music label which was subsequently officially released as it contained otherwise unavailable music.

      > 4.  Hence, from the perspective of industry, I suppose the answer
      > to Trond's initial question would be that no
      > technology/distribution mode will replace completely any previous
      > form. On the other hand, it could be that online streaming could
      > become hegemonic (= attracting the majority of consumers) simply
      > because with the integration of telephone and internet, people in
      > industrialised countries will soon use a single, highly portable
      > machine - the "cell phone" - to communicate, surf the internet,
      > listen to music, watch TV, etc. But I don't see CDs nor dedicated
      > portable music players disappear.

      I have a Sony Ericcson cellphone, which I bought on the strength of its music playing ability... if it didn't have a reasonable walkman-like quality, I wouldn't have bought it... and now there's the Satio...

      I want choice as to how I play my music, whether it's on a turntable listening to wonderful vinyl ("Golden State", can't wait for it!!!), CDs that I can play in the car, on the computer (assuming it has a reasonable sound card) or on a decent home CD player...

      > 5.  From the artist/cultural operator's perspective, and
      > especially from the perspective of "niche" artists/cultural
      > operators, that are not supported by big industry (take ReR as
      > an exemplary case), the issue is one of survival on the one hand,
      > and one of expanding the audience on the other. Getting artists
      > paid their due for their art, and making art businesses viable
      > (recovering the production costs - and if quality is important,
      > then these costs will tend to be higher than average - and paying
      > for the maintenance of the business and the people who work
      > for it) is the objective.

      Chris' ReR label has supplied me with some of the most interesting, edificational sublime music I've heard in recent years...

      > 6.  The availability of cheap technology for reproduction and,
      > nowadays, for distribution/dissemination is clearly a source of
      > big losses but also a potential expansion of the audience. I
      > would say that the trade-off is really between these two poles
      > (getting the artists paid their due/recovering the costs and
      > expanding the audience). So my answer to the question "Should
      > ReR be on Spotify?" is: maybe. I don't know how many copies of a
      > single ReR CD is being sold nowadays - for sure it is "copied"
      > many times through rip&seed sites. Would Spotify increase the
      > number of paying users or would it simply provide an alternative
      > to those people who would pay anyway, and would choose to buy an
      > online subscription rather than an artifact?

      One interesting issue is availability.... is Spotify available to anyone with a computer and telephone/broadband connection? I remember using Pandora for a while a few years back, and the service was terminated abruptly for non-USA listeners.

      > 7.  From the opinions that have been expressed here I see that
      > there are people (like Trond and me) who are fetishists (not
      > conservatives!) and want the artifact, but there are as well
      > people who have done away with the artifact and are happy with
      > MP3s, flac's and streams ... I really don't know what a
      > corporation like ReR Megacorp should do - probably better not
      > ask us who have been supporting it for years and will continue
      > to do so ... ;-).

      Absolutely!

      I am a beliver in choice for the listener, so long as it can be decently supported throughout... I love the fact I can still buy vinyl and will happily pay for it... (Golden State, I cannot wait...) but also like the fact that Chris's ReR organization dedicates time and effort to bringing CDs out as best they can... I don't mind mp3, flac or stream, but I'm rather tactile about my music... ;-)

      > And talking about ReR, have you subscribed to the CASSIBER Box?
      >
      > Mario

      Not only the Cassiber box, which I also cannot wait for but how about the THE POINTS EAST BOX?

      Regards all,
      Darren
    • luna negra, S.C.
      Hi, everyone: De: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Darren I remember in the early 1980s when CDs started
      Message 2 of 24 , Mar 12 4:49 PM
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        Hi, everyone:

         

        De: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Darren

        I remember in the early 1980s when CDs started appearing, that many of my peers abandoned their vinyl collections in favour of CDs...

         

        I got rid of some LPs and replace them with CDs. Of course, I still keep some of them (yes, ALL Recommended vinyl  is here, Chris has seen the *mint* condition of our record collection!).


        > And talking about ReR, have you subscribed to the CASSIBER Box?
        >
        > Mario

        Not only the Cassiber box, which I also cannot wait for but how about the THE POINTS EAST BOX?

        Can’t wait to get a these!!!

         

        See you,

         

        Juan José @ Luna Negra

      • ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
        hi ... yes, that s our concern, as i wrote to glenn on this list.... one question i still have is whether presence on spotify might in fact generate interest
        Message 3 of 24 , Mar 12 11:57 PM
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          hi

          >6... The availability of cheap technology for reproduction and, nowadays, >for distribution/dissemination is clearly a source of big losses but also >a potential expansion of the audience. I would say that the trade-off is >really between these two poles

          yes, that's our concern, as i wrote to glenn on this list.... one question i
          still have is whether presence on spotify might in fact generate interest in
          the 'real thing' - is there necessarily do you think an either/or choice
          here - are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise
          would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it... in which case it represents a
          (potentially) new audience... and the opportunity to check stuff out without
          having to buy it...

          > I don't know how many copies of a single ReR CD is being sold nowadays

          far fewer than before - several fail to pay for themselves now - and it's
          unhappily the case that this is especially true of releases that aren't by
          people that are 'known'. a new necks or a cow reissue will do well enough,
          but sales of the likes of nikola kodgebashia, aki peltonen or robert iolini
          are now dangerously low - to the point where these releases are increasingly
          difficult to realise. i don't want rer to cease the important activity of
          introducing new work and new artists, but the 'market' works hard against
          it. even fred frith's new releases sell a third the number of reissues of
          old lps and cds that people probably already have. in this context something
          like spotify presence might incline listeners to be a little more
          adventurous?

          or?

          c
        • david fenech
          Hello Chris , hello everybody ... and i do buy a lot of cds. spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first... or to chose between the good and
          Message 4 of 24 , Mar 13 1:55 AM
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            Hello Chris , hello everybody


            On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@megacorp.u-net.com> wrote:
            are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise

            would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...


            i do listen to spotify to look for new music
            and i do buy a lot of cds.

            spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
            or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
            of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
            is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
            peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
            listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large catalog.
            Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
            you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.

            There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
            Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to start with
            and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete Tzadik
            catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
            not all albums are masterpieces !

            And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me a few emails to
            invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
            via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm ...
            The link to my album for the curious guys :
            http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
            Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200 euros
            for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm , deezer, spotify, etc).
            this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we say in france...

            For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them on spotify
            (i'm on this network since 6 months) :

            John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
            http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12

            Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
            http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW

            Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
            http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb

            Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
            http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9

            and last week i bought this amazing album :
            Johnny Cash – American VI:  Ain't No Grave
            http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP

            All the best
            David
            --
               david fenech
               WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr
               SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech
               BLG : http://davidfenech.blogspot.com


          • alan holmes
            I use Spotify in much the same way as David - I never sit down and seriously listen to music this way, but I very often use it to decide which CD to buy. I
            Message 5 of 24 , Mar 13 3:15 AM
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              I use Spotify in much the same way as David - I never sit down and
              seriously listen to music this way, but I very often use it to decide
              which CD to buy. I think that this would make it a particularly useful
              tool for ReR, as I'm sure many of us even here on this list are unaware
              of what Nikola Kodgebashia, Aki Peltonen or Robert Iolini sound like and
              so for artists like these, this kind of instant access could surely only
              increase sales.
              Whenever someone mentions an artist I'm unfamilar with, I do tend to
              check them up on Spotify when possible, as I would have with the three
              artists above that Chris mentioned had they been up there....

              Alan


              david fenech wrote:
              >
              >
              > Hello Chris , hello everybody
              >
              >
              > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
              > <mailto:ccc@megacorp.u-net.com>> wrote:
              >
              > are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise
              >
              > would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
              >
              >
              > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
              > and i do buy a lot of cds.
              >
              > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
              > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
              > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
              > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
              > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
              > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large catalog.
              > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
              > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
              >
              > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
              > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to start with
              > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete Tzadik
              > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
              > not all albums are masterpieces !
              >
              > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me a few
              > emails to
              > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
              > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm
              > <http://last.fm> ...
              > The link to my album for the curious guys :
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv>
              > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200 euros
              > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm <http://last.fm> ,
              > deezer, spotify, etc).
              > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we say in
              > france...
              >
              > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them on spotify
              > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
              >
              > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12>
              >
              > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW>
              >
              > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb>
              >
              > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9>
              >
              > and last week i bought this amazing album :
              > Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain't No Grave
              > http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
              > <http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP>
              >
              > All the best
              > David
              > --
              > david fenech
              > WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr <http://demosaurus.free.fr>
              > SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech <http://myspace.com/davidfenech>
              > BLG : http://davidfenech.blogspot.com <http://davidfenech.blogspot.com>
              >
              >
              >
            • alanterrill
              I see you mention lastfm as well as Spotify. I ve used lastfm as a browsing service to listen to music related to my tastes ( Miriodor radio was so close to
              Message 6 of 24 , Mar 14 10:17 AM
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                I see you mention lastfm as well as Spotify. I've used lastfm as a browsing service to listen to music related to my tastes ('Miriodor radio' was so close to my tastes that I'd already got just about everything they suggested, but I was glad to see Albert Marcoeur was considered to be such a one-off that they offered nothing similar.) But I've never been able to use Spotify - I clicked on the link to your music but it wouldn't open unless I paid 9.99 amonth - what do I get for this? I wouldn't subscribe to something like this just to hear music - I don't even download that much music to justify this cost, just the odd track here and there. I still prefer to buy CDs and use downloads for odd tracks from samplers and the like that I wouldn't want the full album of. It also says I can be invited free but I don't know anyone who uses it, so its effectively useless to me -I'd say Myspace was a much better way of geting your music known to a wider audience. I've bought lots of albums after hearing a few tracks on Myspace.

                Alan


                --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, david fenech <demosaurus@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hello Chris , hello everybody
                >
                >
                > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@...> wrote:
                >
                > > are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise
                > >
                > > would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
                > >
                > >
                > > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
                > and i do buy a lot of cds.
                >
                > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
                > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
                > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
                > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
                > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
                > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large catalog.
                > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
                > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
                >
                > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
                > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to start with
                > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete Tzadik
                > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
                > not all albums are masterpieces !
                >
                > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me a few emails
                > to
                > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
                > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm ...
                > The link to my album for the curious guys :
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
                > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200 euros
                > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm , deezer, spotify, etc).
                > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we say in
                > france...
                >
                > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them on spotify
                > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
                >
                > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
                >
                > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
                >
                > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
                >
                > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
                >
                > and last week i bought this amazing album :
                > Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain't No Grave
                > http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
                >
                > All the best
                > David
                > --
                > david fenech
                > WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr
                > SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech
                > BLG : http://davidfenech.blogspot.com
                >
              • david fenech
                spotify is a service that requires an invitation i m sending you one right now ... spotify is a service that requires an invitation i m sending you one right
                Message 7 of 24 , Mar 14 12:24 PM
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                  spotify is a service that requires an invitation
                  i'm sending you one right now

                  On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:17 PM, alanterrill <alanterrill@...> wrote:
                   

                  I see you mention lastfm as well as Spotify. I've used lastfm as a browsing service to listen to music related to my tastes ('Miriodor radio' was so close to my tastes that I'd already got just about everything they suggested, but I was glad to see Albert Marcoeur was considered to be such a one-off that they offered nothing similar.) But I've never been able to use Spotify - I clicked on the link to your music but it wouldn't open unless I paid 9.99 amonth - what do I get for this? I wouldn't subscribe to something like this just to hear music - I don't even download that much music to justify this cost, just the odd track here and there. I still prefer to buy CDs and use downloads for odd tracks from samplers and the like that I wouldn't want the full album of. It also says I can be invited free but I don't know anyone who uses it, so its effectively useless to me -I'd say Myspace was a much better way of geting your music known to a wider audience. I've bought lots of albums after hearing a few tracks on Myspace.

                  Alan



                  --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, david fenech <demosaurus@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hello Chris , hello everybody
                  >
                  >
                  > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise
                  > >
                  > > would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
                  > and i do buy a lot of cds.
                  >
                  > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
                  > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
                  > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
                  > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
                  > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
                  > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large catalog.
                  > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
                  > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
                  >
                  > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
                  > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to start with
                  > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete Tzadik
                  > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
                  > not all albums are masterpieces !
                  >
                  > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me a few emails
                  > to
                  > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
                  > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm ...
                  > The link to my album for the curious guys :
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
                  > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200 euros
                  > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm , deezer, spotify, etc).
                  > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we say in
                  > france...
                  >
                  > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them on spotify
                  > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
                  >
                  > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
                  >
                  > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
                  >
                  > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
                  >
                  > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
                  >
                  > and last week i bought this amazing album :
                  > Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain't No Grave
                  > http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
                  >
                  > All the best
                  > David
                  > --
                  > david fenech
                  > WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr
                  > SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech
                  > BLG : http://davidfenech.blogspot.com
                  >



                • john ashurst
                  May I just take this chance to mention to everyone that Nikola Kodjabashia s album  Reveries Of A Solitary Walker is available from RER at the moment for a
                  Message 8 of 24 , Mar 15 4:50 AM
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                    May I just take this chance to mention to everyone that Nikola Kodjabashia's album  'Reveries Of A Solitary Walker' is available from RER at the moment for a measly  £5.00.   It's on the current update list as a 'loss leader' - a complete travesty !
                     For the price of a couple of pints ( Up T ' North anyway ) you could be discovering a great new talent. I would be surprised if anyone purchasing this album will ever remember spending £5.00 so wisely.    TAKE A CHANCE ! 
                    Then buy 'The Most Of Now' ........
                     
                    Bon Voyage good folks.
                     
                    Jash ( No relation)   
                     
                        

                    --- On Sat, 13/3/10, alan holmes <alan@...> wrote:

                    From: alan holmes <alan@...>
                    Subject: Re: [ReRmegacorp] Re: Audio formats and the future of music distribution
                    To: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 11:15

                    I use Spotify in much the same way as David - I never sit down and
                    seriously listen to music this way, but I very often use it to decide
                    which CD to buy. I think that this would make it a particularly useful
                    tool for ReR, as I'm sure many of us even here on this list are unaware
                    of what Nikola Kodgebashia, Aki Peltonen or Robert Iolini sound like and
                    so for artists like these, this kind of instant access could surely only
                    increase sales.
                    Whenever someone mentions an artist I'm unfamilar with, I do tend to
                    check them up on Spotify when possible, as I would have with the three
                    artists above that Chris mentioned had they been up there....

                    Alan


                    david fenech wrote:

                    >
                    > Hello Chris , hello everybody
                    >
                    >
                    > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
                    > <mailto:ccc@megacorp.u-net.com>> wrote:
                    >
                    >     are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who otherwise
                    >
                    >     would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
                    >
                    >
                    > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
                    > and i do buy a lot of cds.
                    >
                    > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
                    > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
                    > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
                    > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
                    > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
                    > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large catalog.
                    > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
                    > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
                    >
                    > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
                    > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to start with
                    > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete Tzadik
                    > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
                    > not all albums are masterpieces !
                    >
                    > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me a few
                    > emails to
                    > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
                    > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm
                    > <http://last.fm> ...
                    > The link to my album for the curious guys :
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv>
                    > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200 euros
                    > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm <http://last.fm> ,
                    > deezer, spotify, etc).
                    > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we say in
                    > france...
                    >
                    > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them on spotify
                    > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
                    >
                    > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12>
                    >
                    > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW>
                    >
                    > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb>
                    >
                    > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9>
                    >
                    > and last week i bought this amazing album :
                    > Johnny Cash – American VI:  Ain't No Grave
                    > http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
                    > <http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP>
                    >
                    > All the best
                    > David
                    > --
                    >    david fenech
                    >    WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr <http://demosaurus.free.fr>
                    >    SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech <http://myspace.com/davidfenech>
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                  • alan holmes
                    are you sure? - it comes up at £12.50 on the Feb update.... am I looking in the wrong place?
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                      are you sure? - it comes up at £12.50 on the Feb update.... am I looking
                      in the wrong place?

                      john ashurst wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > May I just take this chance to mention to everyone that Nikola
                      > Kodjabashia's album 'Reveries Of A Solitary Walker' is available from
                      > RER at the moment for a measly £5.00. It's on the current update
                      > list as a 'loss leader' - a complete travesty !
                      > For the price of a couple of pints ( Up T ' North anyway ) you could
                      > be discovering a great new talent. I would be surprised if anyone
                      > purchasing this album will ever remember spending £5.00 so wisely.
                      > TAKE A CHANCE !
                      > Then buy 'The Most Of Now' ........
                      >
                      > Bon Voyage good folks.
                      >
                      > Jash ( No relation)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- On *Sat, 13/3/10, alan holmes /<alan@...>/*
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > From: alan holmes <alan@...>
                      > Subject: Re: [ReRmegacorp] Re: Audio formats and the future of
                      > music distribution
                      > To: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 11:15
                      >
                      > I use Spotify in much the same way as David - I never sit down and
                      > seriously listen to music this way, but I very often use it to decide
                      > which CD to buy. I think that this would make it a particularly
                      > useful
                      > tool for ReR, as I'm sure many of us even here on this list are
                      > unaware
                      > of what Nikola Kodgebashia, Aki Peltonen or Robert Iolini sound
                      > like and
                      > so for artists like these, this kind of instant access could
                      > surely only
                      > increase sales.
                      > Whenever someone mentions an artist I'm unfamilar with, I do tend to
                      > check them up on Spotify when possible, as I would have with the
                      > three
                      > artists above that Chris mentioned had they been up there....
                      >
                      > Alan
                      >
                      >
                      > david fenech wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hello Chris , hello everybody
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
                      > <http://uk.mc870.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccc@megacorp.u-net.com>
                      > > <mailto:ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
                      > <http://uk.mc870.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccc@megacorp.u-net.com>>>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who
                      > otherwise
                      > >
                      > > would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
                      > > and i do buy a lot of cds.
                      > >
                      > > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
                      > > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
                      > > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
                      > > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
                      > > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
                      > > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large
                      > catalog.
                      > > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions...
                      > > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
                      > >
                      > > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
                      > > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to
                      > start with
                      > > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete
                      > Tzadik
                      > > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
                      > > not all albums are masterpieces !
                      > >
                      > > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me
                      > a few
                      > > emails to
                      > > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
                      > > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm
                      > > <http://last.fm <http://last.fm/>> ...
                      > > The link to my album for the curious guys :
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3qywNYbaFmvI1gKEOJKHHv>>
                      > > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200
                      > euros
                      > > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm <http://last.fm
                      > <http://last.fm/>> ,
                      > > deezer, spotify, etc).
                      > > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we
                      > say in
                      > > france...
                      > >
                      > > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them
                      > on spotify
                      > > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
                      > >
                      > > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/0ZYpesZeftTOhdMM6IOH12>>
                      > >
                      > > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/4MMdhtqLtkWQeailZNtyeW>>
                      > >
                      > > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/3gaAUjeB3tWL1mTbwifjzb>>
                      > >
                      > > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/6Oimi4JAkSAH3qhZmswoE9>>
                      > >
                      > > and last week i bought this amazing album :
                      > > Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain't No Grave
                      > > http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP>
                      > > <http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP
                      > <http://open.spotify.com/album/5wIQHyTGeB0oNxQuf6BbZP>>
                      > >
                      > > All the best
                      > > David
                      > > --
                      > > david fenech
                      > > WEB : http://demosaurus.free.fr <http://demosaurus.free.fr/>
                      > <http://demosaurus.free.fr <http://demosaurus.free.fr/>>
                      > > SPC : http://myspace.com/davidfenech
                      > <http://myspace.com/davidfenech> <http://myspace.com/davidfenech
                      > <http://myspace.com/davidfenech>>
                      > > BLG : http://davidfenech.blogspot.com
                      > <http://davidfenech.blogspot.com/>
                      > <http://davidfenech.blogspot.com <http://davidfenech.blogspot.com/>>
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                    • Claire Dinsmore
                      There are two different titles. Look on the page lower down under ReR loss leader claire -- The unexamined life is not worth living. - Socrates We artists
                      Message 10 of 24 , Mar 15 6:00 AM
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                        There are two different titles. Look on the page lower down under "ReR loss leader"

                        claire

                        --
                        "The unexamined life is not worth living."
                        - Socrates
                        "We artists are incorrigible."
                             - Nietzsche
                        "I am on the edge, and that's where it happens."
                        - Darren Aronofsky
                        Main site: http://www.studiocleo.com
                        Cauldron & Net: an on-line journal of the arts & new media: http://www.studiocleo.com/cauldron/
                        Music ratings of Lady Gnosis: http://gnosis2000.net/gnosearch.cgi

                        --- On Mon, 3/15/10, alan holmes <alan@...> wrote:

                        From: alan holmes <alan@...>
                        Subject: Re: [ReRmegacorp] Re: Nikola Kodjabashia
                        To: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 8:25 AM

                         

                        are you sure? - it comes up at £12.50 on the Feb update.... am I looking
                        in the wrong place?

                        john ashurst wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > May I just take this chance to mention to everyone that Nikola
                        > Kodjabashia' s album 'Reveries Of A Solitary Walker' is available from
                        > RER at the moment for a measly £5.00. It's on the current update
                        > list as a 'loss leader' - a complete travesty !
                        > For the price of a couple of pints ( Up T ' North anyway ) you could
                        > be discovering a great new talent. I would be surprised if anyone
                        > purchasing this album will ever remember spending £5.00 so wisely.
                        > TAKE A CHANCE !
                        > Then buy 'The Most Of Now' ........
                        >
                        > Bon Voyage good folks.
                        >
                        > Jash ( No relation)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- On *Sat, 13/3/10, alan holmes /<alan@centralslate. omnia.co. uk>/*
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > From: alan holmes <alan@centralslate. omnia.co. uk>
                        > Subject: Re: [ReRmegacorp] Re: Audio formats and the future of
                        > music distribution
                        > To: ReRmegacorp@ yahoogroups. com
                        > Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 11:15
                        >
                        > I use Spotify in much the same way as David - I never sit down and
                        > seriously listen to music this way, but I very often use it to decide
                        > which CD to buy. I think that this would make it a particularly
                        > useful
                        > tool for ReR, as I'm sure many of us even here on this list are
                        > unaware
                        > of what Nikola Kodgebashia, Aki Peltonen or Robert Iolini sound
                        > like and
                        > so for artists like these, this kind of instant access could
                        > surely only
                        > increase sales.
                        > Whenever someone mentions an artist I'm unfamilar with, I do tend to
                        > check them up on Spotify when possible, as I would have with the
                        > three
                        > artists above that Chris mentioned had they been up there....
                        >
                        > Alan
                        >
                        >
                        > david fenech wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hello Chris , hello everybody
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <ccc@megacorp. u-net.com
                        > <http://uk.mc870. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=ccc@megacorp. u-net.com>
                        > > <mailto:ccc@megacorp. u-net.com
                        > <http://uk.mc870. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=ccc@megacorp. u-net.com>>>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > are the kinds of people who listen to spotify people who
                        > otherwise
                        > >
                        > > would buy the cds? i somehow doubt it...
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > i do listen to spotify to look for new music
                        > > and i do buy a lot of cds.
                        > >
                        > > spotify helped me to find which eric dolphy album to buy first...
                        > > or to chose between the good and the "not so good" albums
                        > > of a specific artist. And then i buy the cd. What i love in SPotify
                        > > is the sound quality (much better because streamed via a peer to
                        > > peer technology), the fact that the artists are payed when we
                        > > listen to their music, and also the "instant access" to a large
                        > catalog.
                        > > Almost everybody is on Spotify. There are few notable exceptions.. .
                        > > you can find Faust, but not Albert Marcoeur, for instance.
                        > >
                        > > There are so many Derek Bailey albums available, so many John Zorn,
                        > > Frank Zappa, etc. It's sometimes hard to chose which one to
                        > start with
                        > > and Spotify is really interesting for that purpose. The complete
                        > Tzadik
                        > > catalog is on Spotify.. and there are so many references there.
                        > > not all albums are masterpieces !
                        > >
                        > > And yes ... since i'm on Spotify as a musician, people wrote me
                        > a few
                        > > emails to
                        > > invite me to play a gig here and there. they discovered my music
                        > > via Spotify. 3 years ago it would have been myspace or last.fm
                        > > <http://last. fm <http://last. fm/>> ...
                        > > The link to my album for the curious guys :
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/3qywNYbaFm vI1gKEOJKHHv
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3qywNYbaFm vI1gKEOJKHHv>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3qywNYbaFm vI1gKEOJKHHv
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3qywNYbaFm vI1gKEOJKHHv>>
                        > > Also, in terms of digital rights : i got an extra of around 200
                        > euros
                        > > for last year digital streaming rights (last.fm <http://last. fm
                        > <http://last. fm/>> ,
                        > > deezer, spotify, etc).
                        > > this is not big money, but it adds butter to the spinach, as we
                        > say in
                        > > france...
                        > >
                        > > For info , the list of albums i bought after listening to them
                        > on spotify
                        > > (i'm on this network since 6 months) :
                        > >
                        > > John Tilbury – Skempton: Well, well Cornelius
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/0ZYpesZeft TOhdMM6IOH12
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/0ZYpesZeft TOhdMM6IOH12>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/0ZYpesZeft TOhdMM6IOH12
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/0ZYpesZeft TOhdMM6IOH12>>
                        > >
                        > > Pierre Bastien – Visions Of Doing (i would have bought it anyways)
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/4MMdhtqLtk WQeailZNtyeW
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/4MMdhtqLtk WQeailZNtyeW>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/4MMdhtqLtk WQeailZNtyeW
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/4MMdhtqLtk WQeailZNtyeW>>
                        > >
                        > > Islaja – Blaze Mountain Recordings
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/3gaAUjeB3t WL1mTbwifjzb
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3gaAUjeB3t WL1mTbwifjzb>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3gaAUjeB3t WL1mTbwifjzb
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/3gaAUjeB3t WL1mTbwifjzb>>
                        > >
                        > > Tiny Tim – God Bless Tiny Tim
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/6Oimi4JAkS AH3qhZmswoE9
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/6Oimi4JAkS AH3qhZmswoE9>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/6Oimi4JAkS AH3qhZmswoE9
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/6Oimi4JAkS AH3qhZmswoE9>>
                        > >
                        > > and last week i bought this amazing album :
                        > > Johnny Cash – American VI: Ain't No Grave
                        > > http://open. spotify.com/ album/5wIQHyTGeB 0oNxQuf6BbZP
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/5wIQHyTGeB 0oNxQuf6BbZP>
                        > > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/5wIQHyTGeB 0oNxQuf6BbZP
                        > <http://open. spotify.com/ album/5wIQHyTGeB 0oNxQuf6BbZP>>
                        > >
                        > > All the best
                        > > David
                        > > --
                        > > david fenech
                        > > WEB : http://demosaurus. free.fr <http://demosaurus. free.fr/>
                        > <http://demosaurus. free.fr <http://demosaurus. free.fr/>>
                        > > SPC : http://myspace. com/davidfenech
                        > <http://myspace. com/davidfenech> <http://myspace. com/davidfenech
                        > <http://myspace. com/davidfenech>>
                        > > BLG : http://davidfenech. blogspot. com
                        > <http://davidfenech. blogspot. com/>
                        > <http://davidfenech. blogspot. com <http://davidfenech. blogspot. com/>>
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                      • kjeld6288
                        There are actually three titles, I think, but there is some confusion over spelling - in some cases it says Kodjabashia in others Kodjbashia. The music does
                        Message 11 of 24 , Mar 16 1:42 AM
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                          There are actually three titles, I think, but there is some confusion over spelling - in some cases it says Kodjabashia in others Kodjbashia.

                          The music does sound intriguing, though.

                          --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, Claire Dinsmore <studiocleo@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > There are two different titles. Look on the page lower down under "ReR loss leader"
                          >
                          > claire
                          >
                        • spacepiano
                          Hello, Has Aki Peltonen released anything besides Radio Banana? Thanks, Drew
                          Message 12 of 24 , Mar 16 12:09 PM
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                            Hello,

                            Has Aki Peltonen released anything besides Radio Banana?


                            Thanks,
                            Drew

                            --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, ccc@... wrote:

                            > but sales of the likes of nikola kodgebashia, aki peltonen or robert iolini
                            > are now dangerously low - to the point where these releases are increasingly
                            > difficult to realise.
                          • ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
                            hi mainly he s an engineer and producer there are no other cds so far as i know c
                            Message 13 of 24 , Mar 17 1:02 AM
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                              hi

                              mainly he's an engineer and producer
                              there are no other cds so far as i know

                              c

                              spacepiano writes:

                              > Hello,
                              >
                              > Has Aki Peltonen released anything besides Radio Banana?
                              >
                              >
                              > Thanks,
                              > Drew
                              >
                              > --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, ccc@... wrote:
                              >
                              >> but sales of the likes of nikola kodgebashia, aki peltonen or robert iolini
                              >> are now dangerously low - to the point where these releases are increasingly
                              >> difficult to realise.
                              >
                            • Charlie Mason
                              Within the scope of ReR s electroacoustic and early electronic music enthusiasts is the remarkable though questionably legit Creel Pone label. See here -
                              Message 14 of 24 , Mar 17 11:39 AM
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                                Within the scope of ReR's electroacoustic and early electronic music enthusiasts is the remarkable though questionably 'legit' Creel Pone label.
                                 
                                Has anyone here tried any of the near 100 facsimile electronic rarities on offer?
                                 
                                I am keen to know what people would recommend as the 'mind-blowers' as distinct from the merely 'interesting'.
                                 
                                As the 100th item is lined up for release I can only hazard a guess at what it might be - one of the wilder Ilhan Mimaroglu LPs perhaps?
                                 
                                Charlie M

                              • Andy Wilson
                                ... I own several of these. They are uniformly excellent / interesting, give or take some allowance for personal taste. My favourites are the various early
                                Message 15 of 24 , Mar 18 3:21 AM
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                                  Charlie Mason wrote:
                                  > Within the scope of ReR's electroacoustic and early electronic music
                                  > enthusiasts is the remarkable though questionably 'legit' Creel Pone label.
                                  > See here - http://www.orkstorm.com/creelpone/
                                  > Has anyone here tried any of the near 100 facsimile electronic rarities
                                  > on offer?

                                  I own several of these. They are uniformly excellent / interesting, give
                                  or take some allowance for personal taste. My favourites are the various
                                  early electronic experiments from universities, radio stations and the
                                  like. You may be especially interested in, eg., 'Electronic Music',
                                  which features work from studios in Prague, Bratislava, Munich, Wasaw,
                                  Paris and Illinois, and by artists such as Lejaren Hiller, Piere Henry
                                  and others. Other favourites include Tod Dockstader's 'Electronic'

                                  Having said that, I should emphasise that I have only heard seven of the
                                  series so far so my view is rather limited.

                                  I've been really impressed by everything I've heard from the collection
                                  to date and have another selection of their releases on order at the moment.

                                  a



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                                • ccc@megacorp.u-net.com
                                  spotify info snippet indie record label Junior Racing earned approximately $3 after music from its artists had been streamed more than 55,000 times on
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Mar 19 2:15 AM
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                                    spotify info snippet

                                    'indie record label Junior Racing earned approximately $3 after music from
                                    its artists had been streamed more than 55,000 times on Spotify..'

                                    officially artist/label gets 0.02p per play, so 5000 plays earns £1 -
                                    roughly the same as two i-tune downloads or the artist royalty (not
                                    publishing) on one physical CD sale, considerably less that it costs to get
                                    the track up there in the first place.

                                    Just reported that in a five month period Lady Gaga got about £100 in
                                    Spotify-generated royalties for over 1,000,000 plays.

                                    best you can say then is that it's cheap advertising... but you'd have to
                                    generate more cd sales than you lose or you are shooting yourself in the
                                    foot......


                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, ccc@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    >>
                                    >> >Will they ever be on Spotify?
                                    >>
                                    >> should we be, do you think?
                                    >
                                    > Spotify is a very good business idea. It is very convenient for the consumers, because they have access to a very large music library without the need for local storage. So you don't need large hard-disks for your music files, or large capacity portables. I think that Spotify is a bigger threat to CD's than download stores like iTunes, although we all know that quite many only buy their music as downloads these days.
                                    >
                                    > The question is whether it is good business for the musicians. So far the reports has been that musicians are disappointed about how much they have actually earn from Spotify. On the other hand it is early days. The subscription model hasn't caught on quite yet. But I think it will, since it is the only model available for phones. And the commercial spots in the free version are quite annoying. If/when they get stronger economically, who knows. Most likely the profits will go to others than the musicians, as always.
                                    >
                                    > Personally I am not planning to go Spotify anytime soon. Partly it is because I don't find my favorite music there. But I also like to hold the objects, and I like to read information and view arts. Perhaps I am just very conservative.
                                    >
                                  • Charlie Mason
                                    Likewise, usual restraints mean I ve only sampled a handful (and at 100 copies only per disc the chance may have gone on most of these now as we reach the end
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Mar 19 4:50 AM
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                                      Likewise, usual restraints mean I've only sampled a handful (and at 100 copies only per disc the chance may have gone on most of these now as we reach the end of the series) but all are excellent to great :-
                                       
                                      Jacques Lejeune "Blanche Neige" 
                                      Jürgen Karg "Elektronische Mythen" 
                                      "Electronic Music University of Melbourne" 
                                      Anestis Logothetis "„Hör!-Spiel” Necrologlog 1961 Fantasmata 1960" 
                                      Edward M. Zajda "Independent Electronic Music Composer"
                                      Charlie

                                      --- On Thu, 18/3/10, Andy Wilson <andy@...> wrote:

                                      From: Andy Wilson <andy@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [ReRmegacorp] Creel Pone CDRs
                                      To: ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 10:21

                                       
                                      Charlie Mason wrote:
                                      > Within the scope of ReR's electroacoustic and early electronic music
                                      > enthusiasts is the remarkable though questionably 'legit' Creel Pone label.
                                      > See here - http://www.orkstorm .com/creelpone/
                                      > Has anyone here tried any of the near 100 facsimile electronic rarities
                                      > on offer?

                                      I own several of these. They are uniformly excellent / interesting, give
                                      or take some allowance for personal taste. My favourites are the various
                                      early electronic experiments from universities, radio stations and the
                                      like. You may be especially interested in, eg., 'Electronic Music',
                                      which features work from studios in Prague, Bratislava, Munich, Wasaw,
                                      Paris and Illinois, and by artists such as Lejaren Hiller, Piere Henry
                                      and others. Other favourites include Tod Dockstader's 'Electronic'

                                      Having said that, I should emphasise that I have only heard seven of the
                                      series so far so my view is rather limited.

                                      I've been really impressed by everything I've heard from the collection
                                      to date and have another selection of their releases on order at the moment.

                                      a

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                                    • tegarmo@broadpark.no
                                      ... Yesterday the head of Spotify, Daniel Ek, was interviewed in a Norwegian newspaper. This is an excerpt from that interview: Out of Spotify s seven million
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Mar 21 10:34 AM
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                                        --- In ReRmegacorp@yahoogroups.com, ccc@... wrote:
                                        >
                                        > spotify info snippet

                                        > Just reported that in a five month period Lady Gaga got about £100 in
                                        > Spotify-generated royalties for over 1,000,000 plays.

                                        Yesterday the head of Spotify, Daniel Ek, was interviewed in a Norwegian newspaper. This is an excerpt from that interview:

                                        "Out of Spotify's seven million users, so far only 320 000 of them are paying customers. But this doesn't worry Daniel Ek, who thinks that the idea that everyone should pay for music is outdated.

                                        -Giving away music isn't new for the record business. This has been done for years through radio playing. It is just a matter of finding new ways of earning money.

                                        -Besides it is wrong to say that not everyone pays. Even if you don't spend money on Spotify, you still spend your time listening to commercials.

                                        -In any case, music streaming services won't replace the physical music formats completely. People will still buy the music they love. But then they would want some extra, so we will see more deluxe editions with extra material and nice packaging.

                                        Spotify's liberal view on payment has so far made it difficult for many artists to live of music streaming. Especially smaller record companies has complained over bad royalty payments. Whether this will change in the close future, the head of Spotify can't give a clear answer. –It is a difficult question, as we share all the income of subscriptions and advertisements. But people listen to music and share more than ever, so I have good faith that there will be a solution to this."
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