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Re: [Raspberry_Pi_4-Ham_RADIO] Re: Completely over Linux

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  • Tim N9PUZ
    There is no shame in deciding to set Linux aside. Linux/Unix is a complicated yet powerful operating system. It can do a tremendous number of things quickly
    Message 1 of 31 , Aug 13, 2013
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      There is no shame in deciding to set Linux aside. Linux/Unix is a complicated yet powerful operating system. It can do a tremendous number of things quickly and efficiently but for someone new to it those things are neither easy or obvious. To use Linux effectively takes a lot of dedication to learning the operating system before you ever get to working on the application you wanted to tackle when you started down the path.

      I think the number of R-Pi units sold is due to the low cost as much as anything else. It's an "ok" Internet appliance and probably meets its original goal. It is a really cool embedded building block simply because of the features it provides a small system for the price. I would imagine if someone is building a specialty device of some sort the learning curve isn't much different for an Arduino product or a bare microcontroller board if you have the same capabilities as the R-Pi.

      Tim N9PUZ
    • captain_jonathan_king
      I ve been working on Unix and Unix like systems for over 30 years professionally and it still catches me out. I m coming from the other side of the equation,
      Message 31 of 31 , Aug 16, 2013
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        I've been working on Unix and Unix like systems for over 30 years professionally and it still catches me out.

        I'm coming from the other side of the equation, very new to this RF game and get very easily confused with impedance and mixers, amps and stuff like that and occasionally let the magic smoke out on a project but that is kind of the fun of it all.

        the Pi mixes both (built a few boards, written a few programmes and got some stuff wrong) which is why its a challenge but fun as well.

        Now if the Pi just had a GB of ram it would be perfect ...... :P

        Remember, "google is my friend" but only if you know the right questions to ask and how to phrase them properly.

        All the best


        --- In Raspberry_Pi_4-Ham_RADIO@yahoogroups.com, "w5iem" <steve.w5iem@...> wrote:
        > There is so much truth to this post, and John said it so well. I have had to look at life and determine what exactly are my priorities, and unfortunately taking the time to master Linux and the Raspberry Pi simply cannot be at the top of my list. I am still fascinated by the device and hope to one day take the time to learn it, but I don't like to learn enough to "just get by" with a project, but rather I want to truly master it. Right now I am working two jobs, I have a 9-month-old son, and I have a number of other things going on. I simply do not have the time to spend a couple of hours a week to really take the time to take on another great learning experience.
        > But that doesn't mean I am going to go down in a blaze of glory and blame individual members of the group for my problems as Kerry McKenzie has done. There is nobody to blame for my situation, especially the Raspberry Pi and the Linux operating system. I could take the time to master it, but that would mean budgeting my time differently, and it is something I can't and won't do right now.
        > Like John stated so well, there are a number of people that are making the Raspberry Pi work well for them, and fortunately they are sharing their knowledge, even to the point that they are taking many hours of work, imaging a disc, and putting that file out to the world to essentially rip off. Their results are not guaranteed, and if another person wants to truly replicate their work then that person can take the time to learn the system and all of its fine details. Many forget that the a number of the people that are putting great images of their work online for the world to use have college degrees in computer science or related fields, so if another person wants to truly replicate that work then I'd recommend enrolling in classes to begin that real learning process.
        > At some point in my life I will hopefully be in a situation in which I can really learn more about the Raspberry Pi or whatever its successor might be. I would also like to learn to program in R, I would like to learn to use Visual Basic in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Access, I would like to learn to play the guitar, and I also like to make to 3-4 baseball games per week.
        > Now, if only I could find a way to master one of these goals and use it to produce more hours in the week I'd be doing quite well.
        > My main point is, as John says, this group has some brilliant people that are doing amazing things on the Pi, and they are sharing this information for free. If you choose to accept their assistance, you must do so on the terms, and you must be willing to put in the time and have the patience to learn from them. It is fine to not have the time, as is the case with myself, but that is not the fault of those on the group.
        > Steve, W5IEM
        > Georgetown, KY
        > --- In Raspberry_Pi_4-Ham_RADIO@yahoogroups.com, John Ferrell <jferrell13@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Life gets overwhelming sometimes...
        > > I can identify with most everyone's problems here. I have always been
        > > able to bull my way through difficult problems. I am now finding that
        > > there are projects that I just cannot grasp. The best advice I can offer
        > > is to take smaller bites out of what ever the problem. Also, do not
        > > expect to keep up with the crowd and don't expect to be the smartest guy
        > > anymore. Just because somebody else made something work, it is not a
        > > guarantee that you can make it work.
        > > I read and marvel at the many diverse directions that many seem to
        > > master. This Raspberry Pi thing is a great opportunity in that there is
        > > so much information at so little cost. I have been flitting about with
        > > only modest gains in trivial projects. I feel that I am now at least an
        > > average Linux user in Pi world. Unfortunately, short term memory loss is
        > > common at my tender age of 73. Once I get tired in the evening I must
        > > find something else of interest. My useful work days are short.
        > > Fortunately, if there is something you really want to have you can find
        > > folks that support their work by providing parts, modules, code or even
        > > full turnkey solutions. In my situation, making something work is the
        > > more important goal.
        > > If you want out, go ahead, sell out and go do something else you find
        > > more satisfying. You can come back this direction later, The toys &
        > > tools will be a little different and the people will change but the
        > > challenges will remain. Once upon a time Ham Radio was all about
        > > building antennas, transmitters and receivers. Most of us just buy that
        > > stuff now days and focus on extending its uses.
        > > I have found that when I am receiving free help it is important that I
        > > accept the helper's terms. I hope you decide to hang around a while
        > > longer. Things are getting more interesting all the time.
        > > de W8CCW John
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