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    Altogether at least 30 milliion people were buchered by Marxist Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin and his communist comrades: At least 20 million Russians and
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 23, 2007
      Altogether at least 30 milliion people were buchered by Marxist Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin and his communist comrades: At least 20 million Russians and at least 10 million Ukrainians which explains why the Communists are in first place under GENOCIDE in the "Guiness Book Of Records."
       
      In First Place Is Communist Dictator Mao Tusung Of Red China with 60 million under his belt and mabe more........
      Stalin's Communist Genocide Against Millions Of Ukrainians And Crimes Against Humanity........................................

       Associated Press: Fri Nov 23, 2:31 PM ET

      KRASYLIVKA, Ukraine - After authorities broke into Yakiv Atamanenko's home in autumn of 1932 and confiscated the family's food, his mother and two brothers died of starvation and their bloated bodies were tossed among others in a freshly dug grave on the outskirts of this farming village.

      Atamanenko and other survivors here said one of their neighbors, Oleksandra Korytnyk and her husband, ate their two children. "They cut their children into pieces and ate them," recalled Atamanenko, now a frail, gray-haired 95-year-old.

      In the end, he and others said, the Korytnyks died as well.

      On Saturday, Ukraine marks the 75th anniversary of the terrible famine of 1932-33, engineered by Soviet authorities to force peasants across the former U.S.S.R. to give up their privately held plots of land and join Communist collective farms. Millions perished.

      Now President Viktor Yushchenko is leading an effort to gain international recognition of Holodomor — or death by hunger, as it is known here — as a crime rather than merely a disaster, by labeling it an act of genocide.

      Long kept secret by Communist Soviet authorities, accounts of the Great Famine still divide historians and politicians, not just in this nation of 47 million but throughout the former Soviet Union.

      Some are convinced that the famine targeted Ukrainians as an ethnic group. Others argue Communist authorities set out to eradicate all private land owners as a social class, and that the Soviets sought to pay for the U.S.S.R.'s industrialization with grain exports at the expense of starving millions of its own people.

      The Communist dictator Josef Stalin's collectivization drive affected the entire U.S.S.R, but was particularly calamitous for Ukraine, which had some of the former Soviet Union's richest agricultural land. The campaign coincided, as well, with the Kremlin's efforts to root out a growing Ukrainian anti-communist nationalist movement.

      Estimates of the number of people who perished in Holodomor differ, but there is no doubt the death toll was horrific. Yushchenko estimates 10 million Ukrainians died, while Stanislav Kulchitsky, a Ukrainian historian, believes the number is closer to 3.5 million.

      Authorities set production quotas for each village. But these quotas generally exceeded crop yields and in village after village, when farmers failed to meet their targets, all their food was confiscated.

      Residents were prohibited to leave their homes — effectively condemning them to starvation.

      In Krasylivka as many as 1,017 people — roughly the village's present day population — died in the course of that terrible year, according to a list of the victims compiled by village authorities. Elders say the famine nearly wiped out the village.

      Villagers tell stories of their neighbors collapsing in the street and dying. Driven to despair, people ate whatever they could scrounge: leaves, dirt, birds, dogs, rats and — several witnesses said — even each other.

      Olena Yaroshchuk, 94, her wrinkled face framed by a green kerchief, said she filled her aching stomach with grass. "Those who could survived, those who couldn't — that was the end of it, one house after another — almost all died," she said.

      Kulchitsky, a leading famine researcher, argues the famine was a genocide aimed at Ukrainians who resisted communist Soviet rule. "The conditions authorities created for the Ukrainian peasantry were incompatible with life," he wrote in a recent article.

      But Heorhiy Kasyanov, a top historian with the National Academy of Sciences, says the issue is more subtle. "There is no hard evidence that there were concrete statements or actions aimed at destroying ethnic Ukrainians by someone else. I don't have a clear answer whether or not it was genocide."

      The Ukrainian parliament has already labeled the famine genocide. So has the United States, and some other countries. But Russia, the legal successor to the Soviet state, resists the label. Mostly because they don't want to admit the truth.

      Under international law, genocide is defined as deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial or ethnic group. Moscow insists the famine also targeted other groups, including Russians and Kazakhs.

      "There are no grounds to talk about genocide. We can talk about 'sociocide' — the extermination of peasants, a political crime on the part of Soviet leadership," said Andrei Petrov, a historian with the Russian Academy of Sciences.

      But another Russian historian said Holodomor was one of many acts of genocide by Stalin against the peoples of the former Soviet Union. "It was genocide in the direct sense of this word — it is the killing of people, the killing of the Ukrainian people," he said. "The same must be done for the Kazakhs, the Russians and peoples of other territories."

      Ukrainian politicians are themselves divided on the topic. The genocide vote in parliament last year was boycotted by the party of Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who draws his support from Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, as well as the Communists, which is to be expected since they are allied with the former communists who did all the killing.

      Even in Krasylivka, people say the issue is complicated. Many survivors blame the Soviet government for the famine. But many also say that the cruelty of the local authorities compounded the tragedy.

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      It is too close to the Thanksgiving Holiday to let this one pass without response. Unfortunately, although not listed in Guiness, the Genocide commenced by
      Message 2 of 2 , Nov 29, 2007

        It is too close to the "Thanksgiving" Holiday to let this one pass without response.

        Unfortunately, although not listed in Guiness, the Genocide commenced by Christopher Columbus in 1492 makes
        the efforts by Hitler and Stalin (and Bush) pale in comparison (no pun intended). Genocide is morally and
        ethically wrong - even with god (someone's idea of god) on your side.


        The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world."
         
        David E. Stannard. 1





        Historian David Stannard is of the opinion that the indigenous peoples of America (including Hawaii) were the victims of a
        "Euro-American genocidal war."While conceding that the majority of the indigenous peoples fell victim to the ravages
        of European disease, he estimates that almost 100 million died in what he calls the American Holocaust.Stannard's perspective
        has been joined by
        Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, and Phil Lane, Jr., among others; the perspective has been further refined by Ward Churchill, who has said that "it was precisely malice, not nature, that did the deed." the Europeans
        chose to spread diseases.

        1
        David E. Stannard, "American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World,"  Oxford University Press, (1992).


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        Altogether at least 30 milliion people were buchered by Marxist Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin and his communist comrades: At least 20 million Russians and at least 10 million Ukrainians which explains why the Communists are in first place under GENOCIDE in the "Guiness Book Of Records."
         
        In First Place Is Communist Dictator Mao Tusung Of Red China with 60 million under his belt and mabe more........
        Stalin's Communist Genocide Against Millions Of Ukrainians And Crimes Against Humanity.... ......... ......... ......... .........
         Associated Press: Fri Nov 23, 2:31 PM ET
        KRASYLIVKA, Ukraine - After authorities broke into Yakiv Atamanenko's home in autumn of 1932 and confiscated the family's food, his mother and two brothers died of starvation and their bloated bodies were tossed among others in a freshly dug grave on the outskirts of this farming village.
        Atamanenko and other survivors here said one of their neighbors, Oleksandra Korytnyk and her husband, ate their two children. "They cut their children into pieces and ate them," recalled Atamanenko, now a frail, gray-haired 95-year-old.
        In the end, he and others said, the Korytnyks died as well.
        On Saturday, Ukraine marks the 75th anniversary of the terrible famine of 1932-33, engineered by Soviet authorities to force peasants across the former U.S.S.R. to give up their privately held plots of land and join Communist collective farms. Millions perished.
        Now President Viktor Yushchenko is leading an effort to gain international recognition of Holodomor — or death by hunger, as it is known here — as a crime rather than merely a disaster, by labeling it an act of genocide.
        Long kept secret by Communist Soviet authorities, accounts of the Great Famine still divide historians and politicians, not just in this nation of 47 million but throughout the former Soviet Union.
        Some are convinced that the famine targeted Ukrainians as an ethnic group. Others argue Communist authorities set out to eradicate all private land owners as a social class, and that the Soviets sought to pay for the U.S.S.R.'s industrialization with grain exports at the expense of starving millions of its own people.
        The Communist dictator Josef Stalin's collectivization drive affected the entire U.S.S.R, but was particularly calamitous for Ukraine, which had some of the former Soviet Union's richest agricultural land. The campaign coincided, as well, with the Kremlin's efforts to root out a growing Ukrainian anti-communist nationalist movement.
        Estimates of the number of people who perished in Holodomor differ, but there is no doubt the death toll was horrific. Yushchenko estimates 10 million Ukrainians died, while Stanislav Kulchitsky, a Ukrainian historian, believes the number is closer to 3.5 million.
        Authorities set production quotas for each village. But these quotas generally exceeded crop yields and in village after village, when farmers failed to meet their targets, all their food was confiscated.
        Residents were prohibited to leave their homes — effectively condemning them to starvation.
        In Krasylivka as many as 1,017 people — roughly the village's present day population — died in the course of that terrible year, according to a list of the victims compiled by village authorities. Elders say the famine nearly wiped out the village.
        Villagers tell stories of their neighbors collapsing in the street and dying. Driven to despair, people ate whatever they could scrounge: leaves, dirt, birds, dogs, rats and — several witnesses said — even each other.
        Olena Yaroshchuk, 94, her wrinkled face framed by a green kerchief, said she filled her aching stomach with grass. "Those who could survived, those who couldn't — that was the end of it, one house after another — almost all died," she said.
        Kulchitsky, a leading famine researcher, argues the famine was a genocide aimed at Ukrainians who resisted communist Soviet rule. "The conditions authorities created for the Ukrainian peasantry were incompatible with life," he wrote in a recent article.
        But Heorhiy Kasyanov, a top historian with the National Academy of Sciences, says the issue is more subtle. "There is no hard evidence that there were concrete statements or actions aimed at destroying ethnic Ukrainians by someone else. I don't have a clear answer whether or not it was genocide."
        The Ukrainian parliament has already labeled the famine genocide. So has the United States, and some other countries. But Russia, the legal successor to the Soviet state, resists the label. Mostly because they don't want to admit the truth.
        Under international law, genocide is defined as deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial or ethnic group. Moscow insists the famine also targeted other groups, including Russians and Kazakhs.
        "There are no grounds to talk about genocide. We can talk about 'sociocide' — the extermination of peasants, a political crime on the part of Soviet leadership," said Andrei Petrov, a historian with the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        But another Russian historian said Holodomor was one of many acts of genocide by Stalin against the peoples of the former Soviet Union. "It was genocide in the direct sense of this word — it is the killing of people, the killing of the Ukrainian people," he said. "The same must be done for the Kazakhs, the Russians and peoples of other territories. "
        Ukrainian politicians are themselves divided on the topic. The genocide vote in parliament last year was boycotted by the party of Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who draws his support from Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, as well as the Communists, which is to be expected since they are allied with the former communists who did all the killing.
        Even in Krasylivka, people say the issue is complicated. Many survivors blame the Soviet government for the famine. But many also say that the cruelty of the local authorities compounded the tragedy.

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