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  • Kurt Streutker
    Folks: Listen to this interview! http://www.reasons.org/resources/multimedia/interview/20020829.ram Then Compare to: 10 Dangers of theistic evolution by Dr.
    Message 1 of 1 , Oct 4, 2002
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      Folks: Listen to this interview!


      Then Compare to:
      10 Dangers of theistic evolution by Dr. Werner Gitt

      The atheistic formula for evolution is:

      Evolution = matter + evolutionary factors (chance and necessity +
      mutation + selection + isolation + ) + very long time periods.

      In the theistic evolutionary view, God is added:

      Theistic evolution = matter + evolutionary factors (chance and
      necessity + mutation + selection + isolation + ) + very long time
      periods + God.

      In this system God is not the omnipotent Lord of all things, whose
      Word has to be taken seriously by all men, but He is integrated into
      the evolutionary philosophy. This leads to 10 dangers for

      Danger No. 1 – Misrepresentation of the Nature of God
      The Bible reveals God to us as our Father in Heaven, who is
      absolutely perfect (Matthew 5:48), holy (Isaiah 6:3), and omnipotent
      (Jeremiah 32:17). The Apostle John tells us that 'God is
      love', 'light', and 'life' (1 John 4:16; 1:5; 1:1-2). When this God
      creates something, His work is described as 'very good' (Genesis
      1:31) and 'perfect' (Deuteronomy 32:4).

      Theistic evolution gives a false representation of the nature of God
      because and ghastliness are ascribed to the Creator as
      principles of creation. (Progressive creationism, likewise, allows
      for millions of years of and horror before sin.)

      Danger No. 2 – God becomes a God of the Gaps
      The Bible states that God is the Prime Cause of all things. 'But to
      us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things ... and
      one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him' (1
      Corinthians 8:6).

      However, in theistic evolution the only workspace allotted to God is
      that part of nature which evolution cannot 'explain' with the means
      presently at its disposal. In this way He is reduced to being a 'god
      of the gaps' for those phenomena about which there are doubts. This
      leads to the view that 'God is therefore not absolute, but He Himself
      has evolved - He is evolution'.2

      Danger No. 3 – Denial of Central Biblical Teachings
      The entire Bible bears witness that we are dealing with a source of
      truth authored by God (2 Timothy 3:16), with the Old Testament as the
      indispensable 'ramp' leading to the New Testament, like an access
      road leads to a motor free way (John 5:39). The biblical creation
      account should not be regarded as a myth, a parable, or an allegory,
      but as a historical report, because:

      Biological, astronomical and anthropological facts are given in
      didactic [teaching] form.

      In the Ten Commandments God bases the six working days and one day of
      rest on the same time-span as that described in the creation account
      (Exodus 20:8-11).

      In the New Testament Jesus referred to facts of the creation (e.g.
      Matthew 19:4-5).

      Nowhere in the Bible are there any indications that the creation
      account should be understood in any other way than as a factual

      The doctrine of theistic evolution undermines this basic way of
      reading the Bible, as vouched for by Jesus, the prophets and the
      Apostles. Events reported in the Bible are reduced to mythical
      imagery, and an understanding of the message of the Bible as being
      true in word and meaning is lost.

      Danger No. 4 – Loss of the Way for Finding God
      The Bible describes man as being completely ensnared by sin after
      Adam's fall (Romans 7:18-19). Only those persons who realize that
      they are sinful and lost will seek the Saviour who 'came to save that
      which was lost' (Luke 19:10).

      However, evolution knows no sin in the biblical sense of missing
      one's purpose (in relation to God). Sin is made meaningless, and that
      is exactly the opposite of what the Holy Spirit does - He declares
      sin to be sinful. If sin is seen as a harmless evolutionary factor,
      then one has lost the key for finding God, which is not resolved by
      adding 'God' to the evolutionary scenario.

      Danger No. 5 – The Doctrine of God's Incarnation is Undermined
      The incarnation of God through His Son Jesus Christ is one of the
      basic teachings of the Bible. The Bible states that 'The Word was
      made flesh and dwelt among us' (John 1:14), 'Christ Jesus ... was
      made in the likeness of men' (Philippians 2:5-7).

      The idea of evolution undermines this foundation of our salvation.
      Evolutionist Hoimar von Ditfurth discusses the incompatibility of
      Jesus' incarnation and evolutionary thought: 'Consideration of
      evolution inevitably forces us to a critical review ... of Christian
      formulations. This clearly holds for the central Christian concept of
      the 'incarnation' of God ... '.3

      Danger No. 6 – The Biblical Basis of Jesus' Work of Redemption Is
      The Bible teaches that the first man's fall into sin was a real event
      and that this was the direct cause of sin in the world. 'Wherefore,
      as by one man sin entered into the world, and by sin; and so
      death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned' (Romans 5:12).

      Theistic evolution does not acknowledge Adam as the first man, nor
      that he was created directly from 'the dust of the ground' by God
      (Genesis 2:17). Most theistic evolutionists regard the creation
      account as being merely a mythical tale, albeit with some spiritual
      significance. However, the sinner Adam and the Saviour Jesus are
      linked together in the Bible - Romans 5:16-18. Thus any the logical
      view which mythologizes Adam undermines the biblical basis of Jesus'
      work of redemption.

      Danger No. 7 – Loss of Biblical Chronology
      The Bible provides us with a time-scale for history and this
      underlies a proper understanding of the Bible. This time-scale

      The time-scale cannot be extended indefinitely into the past, nor
      into the future. There is a well-defined beginning in Genesis 1:1, as
      well as a moment when physical time will end (Matthew 24:14).

      The total duration of creation was six days (Exodus 20:11).

      The age of the universe may be estimated in terms of the genealogies
      recorded in the Bible (but note that it can not be calculated
      exactly). It is of the order of several thousand years, not billions.

      Galatians 4:4 points out the most outstanding event in the world's
      history: 'But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth
      His Son.' This happened nearly 2,000 years ago.

      The return of Christ in power and glory is the greatest expected
      future event.

      Supporters of theistic evolution (and progressive creation) disregard
      the biblically given measures of time in favour of evolutionist time-
      scales involving billions of years both past and future (for which
      there are no convincing physical grounds). This can lead to two

      Not all statements of the Bible are to be taken seriously.

      Vigilance concerning the second coming of Jesus may be lost.

      Danger No. 8 – Loss of Creation Concepts
      Certain essential creation concepts are taught in the Bible. These

      God created matter without using any available material.

      God created the earth first, and on the fourth day He added the moon,
      the solar system, our local galaxy, and all other star systems. This
      sequence conflicts with all ideas of 'cosmic evolution', such as
      the 'big bang' cosmology.

      Theistic evolution ignores all such biblical creation principles and
      replaces them with evolutionary notions, there by contradicting and
      opposing God's omnipotent acts of creation.

      Danger No. 9 – Misrepresentation of Reality
      The Bible carries the seal of truth, and all its pronouncements are
      authoritative - whether they deal with questions of faith and
      salvation, daily living, or matters of scientific importance.

      Evolutionists brush all this aside, e.g. Richard Dawkins says,

      'Nearly all peoples have developed their own creation myth, and the
      Genesis story is just the one that happened to have been adopted by
      one particular tribe of Middle Eastern herders. It has no more
      special status than the belief of a particular West African tribe
      that the world was created from the excrement of ants'.4

      If evolution is false, then numerous sciences have embraced false
      testimony. Whenever these sciences conform with evolutionary views,
      they misrepresent reality. How much more then a theology which
      departs from what the Bible says and embraces evolution!

      Danger No. 10 – Missing the Purpose
      In no other historical book do we find so many and such valuable
      statements of purpose for man, as in the Bible. For example:

      Man is God's purpose in creation (Genesis 1:27-28).

      Man is the purpose of God's plan of redemption (Isaiah 53:5).

      Man is the purpose of the mission of God's Son (1 John 4:9).

      We are the purpose of God's inheritance (Titus 3:7).

      Heaven is our destination (1 Peter 1:4).

      However, the very thought of purposefulness is anathema to
      evolutionists. 'Evolutionary adaptations never follow a purposeful
      program, they thus can not be regarded as teleonomical.'5 Thus a
      belief system such as theistic evolution that marries purposefulness
      with non-purposefulness is a contradiction in terms.

      The doctrines of creation and evolution are so strongly divergent
      that reconciliation is totally impossible. The theistic evolutionists
      attempt to integrate the two doctrines, however such syncretism
      reduces the message of the Bible to insignificance. The conclusion is
      inevitable: There is no support for theistic evolution in the Bible.

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