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  • Eric Vitiello Jr.
    You re both biased. drop it. --Eric Perceive Designs Got Geek? ... From: Dave Winer
    Message 1 of 9 , Jan 26, 2003
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      You're both biased.
       
      drop it.

      --Eric
        Perceive Designs <http://www.perceive.net>
        Got Geek? <http://www.cafepress.com/got_geek>
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:38 PM
      To: RSS2-Support@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [RSS2-Support] Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0

      Oh I know MT is wonderful and Radio is ancient.
       
      Not like you're biased or anything! ;->
       
      Dave
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:17 AM
      Subject: Re: [RSS2-Support] Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0


      Gosh Dave, contrary to your condescending opinions, others are quite well versed
      in this area.

      My assertion remains correct.  MT does this.  Radio does not.  This is not a
      criticism of Radio.  It's a startement of fact.  And while Manila does have
      dynamic abilities it's not a direct comparison or, for most folks, a viable
      alternative.

      MT installs in user mode on anything that runs perl.  Manila, as wonderful as it
      is, requires running a console application and on Windows or Macintosh operating
      systems.  For many folks interested in a hosted service this isn't an available
      choice for them.  Further attention paid to Manila development would, I'm sure,
      be a welcome thing..

      I could offer a further breakdown of what's available in one product vs another.
      Each have their own terrific strengths.  But this isn't a feature comparison
      mailing list.  Besides were I to offer anything that remotely disfavored your
      products you'd almost immediately censor the post and ban me from making others.
      It's not like that hasn't happened before.

      What IS nice about server-side integration is the ability for the weblog to act
      intelligently without manual intervention.  I suppose Radio could be integrated
      with server-side processing.  It's not impossible and it wouldn't require
      Manila.  Heck I even post to an MT site using my ancient and much altered copy
      of Radio7.  The best of both worlds combined.

      -Bill Kearney


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Dave Winer" <dave@...>
      To: <RSS2-Support@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:55 PM
      Subject: Re: [RSS2-Support] Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0


      Bill, Bill, Bill, back when MT was just a dream I did a product called Manila,
      which is totally dynamic. It's still very popular. I think about it all the
      time. I love Radio, but I also love Manila! Have a wonderful wonderful day. Dave


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill Kearney
        To: RSS2-Support@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:53 AM
        Subject: Re: [RSS2-Support] Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0


        It's easy in MT because of how that product installs scripts on the hosting
        site.  Radio doesn't do that.  Radio renders the files locally and then
      uploads
        them to a static server.  This isn't an RSS issue as much as it's a software
        used to make the RSS issue.  MT happens to have a handy way to enable it.

        -Bill Kearney


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <ben@...>
        To: <RSS2-Support@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:11 PM
        Subject: [RSS2-Support] Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0


        I disagree. This is quite easy to do, depending on the blogging tool
        you're using. In Movable Type it is very easy indeed: If that's what
        you're using, you've probably changed your RSS 2.0 template to
        include something like:

        <item>
        <title><$MTEntryTitle encode_html="1"$> with <$MTEntryCommentCount$>
        comments</title>
        <description><$MTEntryExcerpt encode_html="1"$></description>
      ...

        So, breaking that out into another element would be simple. Namespaced
        away, it would be something like:

        <item>
        <title><$MTEntryTitle encode_html="1"$></title>
        <description><$MTEntryExcerpt encode_html="1"$></description>
        <foo:commentsTotal><$MTEntryCommentCount$></foo:commentsTotal>
        ...

        Remembering to have the feed rebuild every time a comment comes in.
        Actually, that would be very useful: aggregators could show headlines
        listed by the amount of commenting activity.  Bra Idé, Mattias



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    • Dave Winer
      If you didn t read the feed all the time for perpetuity it would go out of date because someone could add a comment at any time. ... From: Mattias
      Message 2 of 9 , Jan 27, 2003
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        If you didn't read the feed all the time for perpetuity it would go out of
        date because someone could add a comment at any time.


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Mattias" <mattias@...>
        To: "Dave Winer" <dave@...>
        Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:22 PM
        Subject: Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0


        > Hmm, what do you mean with static feed?
        > Many rss feeds/files are built from dynamic websites that when you post a
        > new entry the rss feed is updated.
        > Then it would be pretty easy to add that behaviour.
        > Am I undarstanding you wrongly?
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Dave Winer" <dave@...>
        > To: "Mattias" <mattias@...>
        > Cc: <RSS2-Support@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:06 PM
        > Subject: Re: About the comments tag in rss 2.0
        >
        >
        > That would require a web service, not something that can be put into a
        > static feed. It would be great, but it would also be expensive. Dave
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Mattias" <mattias@...>
        > To: <dave@...>
        > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:00 AM
        > Subject: About the comments tag in rss 2.0
        >
        >
        > > I think the new comments tag in the rss spec in great. Anyhow there
        would
        > be
        > > usefull to have a "how many comments" tag added also.
        > > Some of my feeds has altered their title to add how many comments they
        > have,
        > > this way when a new comment is added the entry will become unread. If
        the
        > > spec is altered to include this the news aggregators can behave in
        certain
        > > ways.
        > > Just a though on my behalf.
        > >
        > > Best regards,
        > > Mattias Ahlström
        > > Stockholm, Sweden.
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
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