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Re: pattern conversion/gauge

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  • barbthegasser
    Lynn, Can t send this to Group ...says Your form submission has expired ...what the hey does that mean? Anyway, I ll just send it to you then. Update...I
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 28, 2006
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      Can't send this to Group ...says "Your form submission has
      expired"...what the hey does that mean? Anyway, I'll just send it to
      you then. Update...I went into "Edit Membership" and "Saved Changes"
      (without making any), so will see if the message gets posted this time.

      Hi, how are you doin'?? I remember you (I think it was you) from
      waaay back when we were trying to figure out how to do a purl st on
      the looms. At least, I think you are the same Lynn...excuse me if I
      have the wrong person.

      You are absolutely correct in regards to moving sts to adjoining pegs
      to create eyelets or buttonholes and technically reducing the number
      of sts actually knit off in that round.

      I was referring to inc and dec the total number of sts in the round
      for the purpose of enlarging or reducing the size of the knitted
      piece...as in the top of a hat, for example, where we would really
      like to gradualy decrease the total no of sts in the round as is done
      when handknitting a hat.

      But...one can use the st characeristics to help out a little here.
      Some are just looser or tighter than others. We know the flat knit st
      and/or the flat knit 1/purl 1 rib st will cause the work to pull in
      quite a bit. So, if one knits the body of a hat using the ewrap knit
      st with a 1/1 or 1/2 knit-off for the body of the hat, then switches
      to the flat knit or flat knit/purl rib (K1,P1) for the last 2-3
      inches, the top pulls in noticeably. I also go from 2 strands of yarn
      to one when I change the st type.

      However, one still has same no of sts on pegs to cast-off. One can
      cut the number of sts remaining in half, by moving the st on peg 1 to
      peg 2, the one on peg 3 to peg 4, on around. Knit off those pegs with
      2 sts remaining with 1/1. Now, when one draws up the top there are
      1/2 the no of sts to pick off the pegs. This helps a little to reduce
      the bulk of the drawn-up, cast-off row.

      When I first started looming, I wanted to get an idea of gauge, a term
      I seldom see used when working with loom patterns or discussions. I
      did a couple of swatches. One was with single strand WW yarn, one
      with double strand WW and one with single strand bulky weight. I used
      12 pegs of a standard gauge (1/2" center peg spacing). I did 12 rows
      each of single knit (ewraped 1/1), double (ewraped 1/2) and flat knit.
      Later, I did the same with the rib st and garter st. I still have
      those swatches. I was so amazed at how much the flat knit sts drew
      the work in...and I do a pretty loose flat knit st, very
      intentionally, after doing a row of sts so tight I couldn't knit them

      I do wish gauge was mentioned in loom patterns. It doesn't matter
      much in shawls and afghans, but it makes a big difference when it
      comes to hats/socks or mittens.

      Just my mornin' ramblings,
      Barb in NC

      --- In ROUNDLOOMS@yahoogroups.com, Lynn Carpenter <alwen@...> wrote:
      > "barbthegasser" <bsollinger@...> wrote:
      > >Keep in mind that increases and decreases are not doable
      > >on the round looms when knitting in the round. Some inc and dec are
      > >doable when knitting flat panels on a round looms or on an adjustable
      > >loom/board like the Dreamboard or DA's Adjustaloom. This is the
      > >biggest limitation of the round looms, IMHO.
      > I just want to chime in here and say this is "True, but . . .".
      > It is true that on a round frame, you can't increase stitches in the
      > of starting with 14 stitches and increasing to 37, the way you could
      on a
      > set of knitting needles, or on an adjustable frame.
      > But knitting has at least two uses for the word "increase". The
      first one
      > is the one above, where it means "add stitches". A round knitting frame
      > only has so many pegs, so in that sense, this is absolutely true,
      you can't
      > add stitches because the number of pegs is limited.
      > But knitting also uses the word "increase" when it talks about eyelet
      > knitting or lace knitting. It is easy, on a round frame with an even
      > number of pegs, to pick up every other loop and put it one peg to
      the right
      > or left.
      > (Then you wrap the frame, including the now-empty pegs, and lift both
      > bottom loops over on the pegs with doubled-up loops. This gives you
      a row
      > of eyelets that you can run a ribbon, elastic, or a piece of contrasting
      > yarn or braid through.)
      > Many knitting books call the two-loop pegs a "decrease", and the
      empty peg
      > a "yarn over" or "increase".
      > So, in this sense of the word (doubling up pegs and leaving others
      > you can "increase" -- as long as your pattern has the same number of
      > "decreases". But only because really, it's not increasing or
      decreasing at
      > all: the number of stitches (often, usually :) ) stays the same.
      > Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA
      > alwen at i2k dot com
      > http://lost-arts.blogspot.com/
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