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  • Dave Nalle
    The questionaire seems like a good idea, because even if it doesn t result in endorsements in many races it will at least provide voters with information -
    Message 1 of 27 , Oct 21, 2004
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      The questionaire seems like a good idea, because even if it doesn't
      result in endorsements in many races it will at least provide voters
      with information - presumably in the form of ratings on key issues -
      for all the candidates who are responsible enough to reply. The
      ratings could be provided without having to go through the
      bureaucratic process required to get a full-fledged endorsement and
      would still be quite useful.

      Dave
      --

      www.torchofliberty.com
    • jphodgson@webtv.net
      I woud agree JPH I don t see how a formal endorsement could be considered until, at the earliest, shortly before the presidential primaries when the slate of
      Message 2 of 27 , Oct 21, 2004
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        I woud agree

        JPH
      • John Pankratz
        It would be good to start working now on finding candidates. Formal endorsement could wait until just after the filing deadline. john p ........
        Message 3 of 27 , Oct 21, 2004
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          It would be good to start working now on finding candidates. Formal
          endorsement could wait until just after the filing deadline.

          john p
          ........
        • Philip Blumel
          ... otherwise, our endorsements are valueless. To that end, the *top* priority must be reestablishing a regular newsletter.
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            --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
            >> It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
            otherwise, our endorsements are valueless. To that end, the *top*
            priority must be reestablishing a regular newsletter.<<

            Hear, hear. The national RLC must focus its limited resources on the
            infrastructure needed for the organization to function.

            I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
            can be put in charge of each -- not necessarily doing it, but being
            utlimately responsible that it get done. (I have no idea if that is
            a realistic suggestion.)

            1) Newsletter. Even an e-newsletter is acceptable if it is regular
            both in frequency and format. In Florida, we send out a quarterly e-
            newsletter which we archive on our website (www.rlcfl.org). National
            could do this also as a start. I do not recommend that this be done
            by committee but rather by one competent individual with excom
            approval of the final product.

            2) We also need a very high quality (full color, glossy) mass
            produced tri-fold brochure with a membership form.

            3) Maintain the database and send renewal notices.

            4) Maintain the national website.

            5) Consistently publish the Liberty Index.

            6) Send mailings to generate leads and new members and contributors.

            The state organizations should really be doing the actual work of
            organizing, activism, campaigning, etc. But these tools will equip
            us for the task.

            -- Philip Blumel
          • John Pankratz
            ... ==================== I know we have done too little, but compared with the past, our guys in Texas have been working quite successfully to build
            Message 5 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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              Philip Blumel wrote:

              >--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
              >
              >
              >>>It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
              >>>
              >>>
              ====================
              I know we have done too little, but compared with the past, our guys in
              Texas have been working quite successfully to build membership. One
              thing that has helped has been to have a booth at the State Republican
              Convention. This gives us many hundreds of contacts each two years. Of
              course we have Ron Paul, and several state officials, and they help draw
              a crowd for our reception. This year our reception drew about 1000. It
              really helps to have prominent people associated with you in your State.
              Nevertheless, even if you do you have to act to take advantage of your
              opportunities. Even without high profile members you can still have a
              booth, use the smallest political quiz, with stickers to show the
              distribution of test takers at the site. In our case, they are heavily
              in the upper right-hand quadrant, which really impresses passers by (and
              officials too, I believe) Of course this is Texas.

              Our leaders are also pretty good at keeping up the website and putting
              our an e-newsletter. Printed newsletters are expensive to mail, and you
              have the problem of building a mailing list. It might pay to put one out
              to have a stack available at State Convention time, though. Even county
              conventions could use them.
              Look at http://www.rlctexas.org

              John P.
            • Ray Holtorf
              Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford 08 at your county board meetings - get the name out early... ... From: Jeff Palmer [mailto:jap@highstream.net]
              Message 6 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford '08 at your county board meetings - get the name out early...
                -----Original Message-----
                From: Jeff Palmer [mailto:jap@...]
                Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:38 AM
                To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [RLC-Action] Topics for discussion

                I don't see how a formal endorsement could be considered until, at the earliest, shortly before the presidential primaries when the slate of candidates is known.
                 
                The idea of some "very early" behind-the-scenes RLC involvement is a good one, however.  I agree that Gov. Sanford would be a very RLC-worthy presidential candidate.  Provided the preponderance of the board and this e-group agree, I'd recommend that the board authorize you (or an appropriate designee) to personally contact the governor and encourage his candidacy - perhaps as early as shortly after the coming election.
                 
                Jeff Palmer - jap@...

                -----Original Message-----
                From: William Westmiller [mailto:westmiller@...]  <SNIPPED> 

                  2. I'd love to start working *now* on getting all of the
                RLC Chartered States to agree to a *very early* endorsement
                for President. I think Mark Sanford fills the bill perfectly
                and he has a pending re-election as SC Governor in 2006 where
                we could have an impact. Most important, he is a truly viable
                candidate for President.

              • John Pankratz
                Let s see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06 to plan for.
                Message 7 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                  Let's see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power
                  structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06
                  to plan for. We're a lot more likely to get people elected to down
                  ballot positions, and build our influence in our respective state
                  parties if we take a two year perspective at this time. Has anyone even
                  spoken with Sanford? We aren't influential enough to propel a bandwagon
                  for Sanford, but we could maybe help push a little. The pages of history
                  are littered with good men who ran for President without the blessing of
                  the kingmakers. Maybe the best thing that RLC people could do for
                  Sanford would be inside the Party, talking with people who do the
                  recruiting. Of course you need to be an insider to even know who those are.
                  ......... john p. ..................
                  ............ john p ..............

                  Ray Holtorf wrote:

                  > Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford '08 at your county board
                  > meetings - get the name out early...
                • John Pankratz
                  http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp excerpt: Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house quickly overrode 105
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                    http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp


                    excerpt:

                    Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house
                    quickly overrode 105 vetoes. Sanford responded May 27 by walking into
                    the statehouse rotunda with a squealing piglet under each arm. "Wait a
                    minute," he asked in the /Charleston Post and Courier/. "There is plenty
                    of money for 'pork' projects for individual members' districts, but no
                    way to carve out any savings to pay off the deficit?"

                    While many legislators and pundits frowned, talk radio hosts loved it.
                    Letters to local newspapers mainly approved. Despite — or perhaps
                    because of — this, Sanford's approval numbers exceed 70 percent.

                    "Mark Sanford truly gets it," says Ed McMullen, President of Columbia's
                    free-market South Carolina Policy Council. "He understands that limited
                    government is an objective. He has succeeded in changing the debate."

                    WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

                    ............ JOHN P ..............
                  • Bruno Behrend
                    JP asked: (re: Sanford) WOULDN T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS? Bruno writes: Yes it would. Here is a reality check for you,
                    Message 9 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                      JP asked: (re: Sanford)

                      WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

                      Bruno writes:

                      Yes it would.

                      Here is a reality check for you, though. Sanford is Gov. of SC; a far
                      smaller fish to fry than the Presidency. Does political reality EVER
                      intrude on ideologues.

                      I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
                      candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
                      the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
                      Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.

                      ______________________________

                      Another Sanford angle...

                      In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
                      if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
                      people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
                      would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
                      blunt McCain's "front runner" status.

                      If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
                      Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
                      start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).

                      This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
                      gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
                      policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
                      some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
                      Schlockwell will have none.

                      As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
                      way to get the campaign started.

                      Bruno
                    • John Pankratz
                      Wouldn t it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity to choices like McCain/Hillary? As if SHE isn t an idologue. Let s work on a better
                      Message 10 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                        Wouldn't it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity
                        to choices like McCain/Hillary?
                        As if SHE isn't an idologue.

                        Let's work on a better choice, whether Sanford or someone else. Who
                        knows what turns of history will affect our fortunes between now and say
                        3 years hence. If we aren't prepared, and haven't laid the groundwork,
                        we won't have a chance.

                        One man's idologue is another man's regular Good American.

                        It's always too soon to give up.

                        As for the "ownership society" ... America has been an Ownership Society
                        all along. Calling a welfare program that buys people's houses with our
                        tax money is not an ownership society. It is socialism.

                        .............. john p ..............

                        Bruno Behrend wrote:

                        >... Does political reality EVER intrude on ideologues.
                        >
                        >I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
                        >candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
                        >the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
                        >Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.
                        >
                        >______________________________
                        >
                        >Another Sanford angle...
                        >
                        >In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
                        >if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
                        >people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
                        >would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
                        >blunt McCain's "front runner" status.
                        >
                        >If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
                        >Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
                        >start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).
                        >
                        >This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
                        >gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
                        >policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
                        >some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
                        >Schlockwell will have none.
                        >
                        >As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
                        >way to get the campaign started.
                        >
                        >Bruno
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • Steve Redlich
                        One thing I ve noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates. Whether it s Vernon
                        Message 11 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                          One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
                          by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.

                          Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
                          or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
                          forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
                          the size of government.

                          They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
                          accordingly.

                          I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
                          candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
                          not as much on the President's Race.

                          Thanks,
                          Steve Redlich
                        • John Pankratz
                          AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on 06. .............. jp .................
                          Message 12 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                            AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on '06.
                            .............. jp .................

                            Steve Redlich wrote:

                            >One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
                            >by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.
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                            >Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
                            >or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
                            >forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
                            >the size of government.
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                            >They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
                            >accordingly.
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                            >I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
                            >candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
                            >not as much on the President's Race.
                            >
                            >Thanks,
                            >Steve Redlich
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                          • Barry Moore
                            That s pretty good chit, Guy. Guy McLendon wrote:I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US
                            Message 13 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                              That's pretty good chit, Guy.

                              Guy McLendon <guy@...> wrote:
                              I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                               
                              Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                               
                              How's that for chit-chat?
                               
                              Guy McLendon
                              RLC Louisiana Contact
                               

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                            • Guy McLendon
                              I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7. He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has
                              Message 14 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                                I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                                 
                                Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                                 
                                How's that for chit-chat?
                                 
                                Guy McLendon
                                RLC Louisiana Contact
                                 
                              • DGHarrison
                                Philip, If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National you will find files on the left side. Under
                                Message 15 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                                  Philip,

                                  If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National
                                  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rlc-national/files/> you will find
                                  "files" on the left side. Under "files" you will find under "brochures"
                                  a document created by John Reed. That tri-fold brochure is the one that
                                  was created for RLCTX, and it has been the one that we are pointed to
                                  each month as a source for our own downloading and printing. I have
                                  suggested some improvements to make it more of a "National" brochure.
                                  I'm waiting for feedback from John Reed and/or Bill Westmiller, which
                                  I'm sure they're just not able to do right now due to the closeness of
                                  the election.

                                  With John or Bill's approval, I will send a copy of my proposed revision
                                  via e-mail, using MS Publisher (which offers "wizards" for all sorts of
                                  business forms, newsletters, and fliers, and which allows you to
                                  download onto a floppy that can be brought to a printer for a complete
                                  and accurate rendering). We have discussed the brochure on the
                                  RLC-National discussion group, though I think I might have made a couple
                                  more improvements based on Bill's suggestions since the last copy I send
                                  to John & Bill. The RLC-National discussion group is a forum for elected
                                  officials in state and national RLC offices, so I don't know how many
                                  here have direct access to those archives. If you can't access those
                                  archives, let me know, and I can send you a cut and paste of the
                                  relevant descriptions of the currently proposed replacement tri-fold
                                  brochure.

                                  I agree with you (and Jeff Palmer) 100% that we must focus on
                                  infrastructure, organization, and membership. Many of you live in states
                                  that have a State Chapter. We in Minnesota are still trying to get one
                                  off the ground. It is a tough time for it, due to the frenetic pace of
                                  the election. I hope it gets easier after the election. If we remain too
                                  few in number, we are a whisper, but if we can expand our membership,
                                  our voice will be more broadly heard. A growth in membership not only
                                  proves that we have a large following, but also allows us to pool
                                  resources to apply toward funding grants to various worthy candidates.
                                  If we can't get the money to the candidates, they won't see any
                                  particular need to hear us, let alone heed us. So, membership drives
                                  ought to be our single most important activity at the grassroots level.
                                  I have added a few comments to your message below, if you care to scan
                                  them now.

                                  John and Bill, may I disseminate the latest design for the tri-fold
                                  brochure? At least we may get more comments, especially from any well
                                  honed publicists out there.

                                  Doug Harrison

                                  (My further comments appear alongside the original message below.)

                                  Philip Blumel wrote:

                                  >
                                  > --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
                                  > >> It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
                                  > otherwise, our endorsements are valueless. To that end, the *top*
                                  > priority must be reestablishing a regular newsletter.<<
                                  >
                                  > Hear, hear. The national RLC must focus its limited resources on the
                                  > infrastructure needed for the organization to function.
                                  >
                                  > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                                  > can be put in charge of each -- not necessarily doing it, but being
                                  > utlimately responsible that it get done. (I have no idea if that is
                                  > a realistic suggestion.)
                                  >
                                  > 1) Newsletter. Even an e-newsletter is acceptable if it is regular
                                  > both in frequency and format. In Florida, we send out a quarterly e-
                                  > newsletter which we archive on our website (www.rlcfl.org). National
                                  > could do this also as a start. I do not recommend that this be done
                                  > by committee but rather by one competent individual with excom
                                  > approval of the final product.

                                  The eNewsletter must be regularly updated, and I would suggest once
                                  weekly during normal, non election years, and daily during election
                                  years. I have found little use for Quarterly Newsletters, because
                                  information often goes stale, even from the likes of my own city hall. I
                                  can tell you from my own personal experience that I soon lose interest
                                  in websites and newsletters that don't offer something new often. I
                                  can't be alone is this. Also, the Internet is dynamic! Let's make use of
                                  that medium to its full potential. Even if it is nothing more than a
                                  readership poll on various issues, or a quiz to highlight recent
                                  political events.

                                  And I agree with you about the need for an Editor in Chief to run the
                                  show. We should have "columns" written by our trusted members to
                                  illuminate the issues from the liberty perspective. These articles
                                  should appear regularly, but they could be presented on a rotating
                                  basis, to give the writers a chance to think about a topic and take the
                                  time needed to research it and prepare a thorough argument to convince
                                  readers. The Editor in Chief must have the authority to request or make
                                  revisions to correct grammatical or typographical errors (such errors
                                  are usually legion and depreciate the value of a publication
                                  significantly) and to ensure variety of contemporary, relevant issues
                                  for the readers.

                                  I also suggest that prior to publication of each newsletter, a
                                  proofreader be assigned to ferret out all the mistakes prior to posting.
                                  WARNING: A spell-check program is NOT a replacement for a real
                                  proofreader! While it should be the author's responsibility to check
                                  that all his references are accurate (hyper links are not broken,
                                  people's names are spelled correctly, telephone numbers and addresses
                                  are correct, etc.), a proofreader can easily double check that all links
                                  work properly. There is no excuse for providing bad links. If a good
                                  link goes bad because the target organization changes it, well, that
                                  might be worth a good follow up story -- if they're trying to hide from
                                  the public.

                                  Do you have a background in editing, publishing, or journalism? Perhaps
                                  we should do a survey to see what talent we actually have among our members.

                                  > 2) We also need a very high quality (full color, glossy) mass
                                  > produced tri-fold brochure with a membership form.

                                  I think I covered that in my opening statement well enough. I will be
                                  glad to provide more details to anyone asking.

                                  > 3) Maintain the database and send renewal notices.

                                  This is crucial. We not only have to increase our membership numbers, we
                                  need to retain members! There is always a certain amount of turnover in
                                  any membership -- people lose interest, life's challenges change, etc.
                                  -- but we sure don't need to lose members due to apathy on our part.
                                  Renewal notices don't necessarily have to be mailed out (saving us
                                  postage), but reminders are almost always required by any service
                                  provider or dues collecting organization.

                                  > 4) Maintain the national website.

                                  Again. The Internet is dynamic. The national website needs to be a place
                                  for people to go to daily to find new information. It could also include
                                  a "blog," something we talked about earlier on another group. The
                                  website is, in this day and age, our main office and showroom. People
                                  who come to visit expect to be both informed and entertained. If they
                                  get neither, they'll move on and never give the RLC another thought.

                                  > 5) Consistently publish the Liberty Index.

                                  I think this is being done already. I've not been around long enough to
                                  see how this thing really works, but I am doing my homework.

                                  > 6) Send mailings to generate leads and new members and contributors.

                                  This is best done from State Chapters, I think. That's where the leads
                                  will be generated, through booths at State and County Fairs,
                                  Conventions, etc. Of course, leads generated from the National Website
                                  will have to be followed up from there.

                                  > The state organizations should really be doing the actual work of
                                  > organizing, activism, campaigning, etc. But these tools will equip
                                  > us for the task.
                                  >
                                  > -- Philip Blumel
                                • westmiller@aol.com
                                  ... I like Phil s list, with a few revisions. Let s organize the discussion under the below individual SUBJECT: lines. I have comments and background on
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                                    > From: "Philip Blumel" <philip.blumel@...>
                                    > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                                    > can be put in charge of each ...

                                    I like Phil's list, with a few revisions. Let's organize the discussion
                                    under the below individual "SUBJECT:" lines. I have comments and
                                    background on each, but the general problem I've encountered is that
                                    everyone knows what "WE" should do, but few are able or willing to
                                    take on a task and pursue it consistently and vigorously. That's a
                                    hazard in any all-volunteer organization. Everybody "has a life".
                                    My top priority has always been the national newsletter, but I
                                    have ten other jobs that *have to be done now* and little assistance
                                    in the basic burdens. Therefore, my inclination is to do something
                                    "evil": add financial incentives. We barely have enough to mail one
                                    newsletter to all 8,000 people in our database, but we do have the
                                    resources to offer reasonable compensation to get jobs done. The
                                    only alternative is disincentive: my bitching and moaning that some
                                    designated person isn't doing the job. That doesn't work for me.
                                    With about $4,000 in the bank, I have no problem designating
                                    reimbursement (beyond expenses) for some of the most important
                                    tasks. In that context, fundraising efforts get priority ... they make
                                    it possible to fund and reward other projects.
                                    Of course, I don't want to discourage true devotion and willingness
                                    to commit to individual tasks without compensation. I just don't trust
                                    that motivation to establish a personal priority in RLC projects.
                                    Comments welcome.

                                    Bill
                                    -------------------------------------------
                                    Membership Communications
                                    SUBJECT: Newsletter Editing and Production
                                    SUBJECT: Membership maintenance and solicitation
                                    SUBJECT: Web Services for Members
                                    SUBJECT: Special Conventions & Events

                                    Public Communications
                                    SUBJECT: Website(s)
                                    SUBJECT: eNews and eGroups
                                    SUBJECT: Printed Literature
                                    SUBJECT: Liberty Index
                                    SUBJECT: Coalition Building

                                    Fundraising
                                    SUBJECT: Member solicitation
                                    SUBJECT: List Exchanges
                                    SUBJECT: Commissioned Fundraising
                                    SUBJECT: PAC Fundraising

                                    Activist Support
                                    SUBJECT: State Chartering
                                    SUBJECT: Candidate Review
                                    SUBJECT: RLC/GOP Events
                                    SUBJECT: Party Organization/Infiltration
                                  • John Pankratz
                                    An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population. Here s a clue: It ain t easy.
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                                      An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                                      Here's a clue: It ain't easy.

                                      http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html
                                    • Bruno Behrend
                                      JP wrote: Here s a clue: It ain t easy. Bruno writes: Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell ;-) Here is the close... First, reject everything you
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Oct 22, 2004
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                                        JP wrote:
                                        Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                         
                                        Bruno writes:
                                         
                                        Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                                         
                                        Here is the close...
                                         
                                        First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                                         
                                        "not easy" indeed.
                                      • Guy McLendon
                                        Moderator, Please stop this chit-chat crap now. This group is intended for working messages only. GM ... From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@sbcglobal.net]
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Oct 23, 2004
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                                          Moderator,
                                           
                                          Please stop this chit-chat crap now.
                                           
                                          This group is intended for working messages only.
                                           
                                          GM
                                           
                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@...]
                                          Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:08 PM
                                          To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [RLC-Action] An article on geekspeaking to SoccerMoms

                                          JP wrote:
                                          Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                           
                                          Bruno writes:
                                           
                                          Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                                           
                                          Here is the close...
                                           
                                          First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                                           
                                          "not easy" indeed.

                                        • Dave Nalle
                                          ... Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for conservative christians.
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Oct 23, 2004
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                                            >An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                                            >Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                            >
                                            ><http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html>http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html

                                            Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It
                                            misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for
                                            conservative christians. Regardless of what flaws Bush may or may
                                            not have, exactly who else are they going to vote for? They're in
                                            the same difficult situation as we RLC folks are. We may not like
                                            Bush's record on the Drug War or Medicaire or the Patriot Act, but we
                                            KNOW Kerry would be worse, so we bite the bullet and vote for Bush.

                                            Dave
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