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  • greenspj
    Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere. This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group. Thanks! ... modernizing
    Message 1 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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      Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere.

      This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group.

      Thanks!


      --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, John Pankratz <pankratz@r...> wrote:
      >
      > Your religious intolerance is noted. I am not in agreement with
      > everything the pentecostal branch of the Christian church teaches, but
      > for you to call these schools madrassas betrays your own bigotry. These
      > children are not being taught to hate, and they are not being taught
      > religion exclusively. They are receiving a general education in a
      > Christian context. They are being taught to love. They are being taught
      > the skills they will need to begin to hope for a future in a
      modernizing
      > Mexico.
      >
    • John Pankratz
      I took a minute or two to look back a few days over RLC-action messages and didn t see much discussion of any meaningful action. On the other hand, my
      Message 2 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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        I took a minute or two to look back a few days over RLC-action messages
        and didn't see much discussion of any meaningful action.

        On the other hand, my suggestion that we help voluntary action to
        educate and help the downtrodden rather than shoot at them is greeted by
        hoots and derision.

        The US Gov. is shooting down missionaries over the Amazon, as part of
        its "war on drugs",

        http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/peru-a24_prn.shtml

        Note: I picked this site out of many to demonstrate that the
        incompetence and wrong headedness of the US Government is contributing
        to the fuel for the world socialist movement. At the same time people
        complain of the gathering strength of the socialists.

        I say, help the Christian missionaries whether you agree with them or
        not. Its a whole lot better than funding war.
        And if you see that as a false dichotomy, please tell me the other
        alternatives.

        By the way, does anyone know how the various Senators voted today on the
        "patriot" act?

        John P.
        ......................................................................................

        greenspj wrote:

        >Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere.
        >
        >This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group.
        >
        >Thanks!
        >
        >
        >


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        Freedom is not measured by the ability to vote. It is measured by the breath of those things on which we do not vote.
        ..... John T. Wenders http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~jwenders/
      • Steve Redlich
        ... http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358 Craig, Hagel and Murkowski No on the Cloture
        Message 3 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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          On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, John Pankratz wrote:

          > By the way, does anyone know how the various Senators voted today on the
          > "patriot" act?

          http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358

          Craig, Hagel and Murkowski No on the Cloture Motion.

          Steve
        • Adam J Bernay
          One can easily support the military and the war on terrorism without advocating fences on the border and enlarging our prisons. ... From:
          Message 4 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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            One can easily support the military and the war on terrorism without
            advocating fences on the border and enlarging our prisons.

            -----Original Message-----
            From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of John Pankratz
            Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:45 PM
            To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds

            What is the unstated third choice?
            Did you see what I wrote in answer to Lorenz after my too-brief reply to
            you?



            Adam J Bernay wrote:

            >John, there's a term for the logical fallacy you're using, it's called a
            >false or forced dichotomy.
            >
            >-----Original Message-----
            >From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
            >Behalf Of John Pankratz
            >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:46 AM
            >To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds
            >
            >Then you can build your fence on the border, enlarge our prisons and
            >feel good.
            >
            >
            >Adam J Bernay wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            >>I'm sure my colleagues at the Republican Jewish Coalition will JUMP at
            >>
            >>
            >this,
            >
            >
            >>John...
            >>
            >>And as the younger brother of a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class, I find
            this
            >>comment insulting.
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >
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            >


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            breath of those things on which we do not vote.
            ..... John T. Wenders http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~jwenders/





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          • michael franks
            ......you anti-Christian biggot you Doug once again......its clearly a difference of those who believe in the power of God and Him to be who He says He
            Message 5 of 15 , Dec 17, 2005
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              ......you anti-Christian biggot you Doug

              once again......its clearly a difference of those who believe in the power
              of God and Him to be who He says He is.........and those who dont and are
              "hell" bent on mocking it, calling anyone who has this type of faith nutty.

              how sad

              Michael

              >From: "Douglas Lorenz" <Doug@...>

              >
              >I originally thought that Pankratz was being sarcastic in his support for
              >these Christian madrassas, then I see in his reply that he was actually
              >serious. I don't see evangelical indoctrination as a solution to the
              >Mexican government's problems. Even coming from a source as horribly
              >biased
              >as "Christianaty Today", this story comes across as nothing more than a
              >call
              >to force God upon the little brown savages. For example:
              >
              >
              >
              >Teachers at Gabriela Mistral report that students often prefer Bible study
              >over math or history. Many ask if they can fast and pray for their parents
              >and families. "We are planting seeds in the children," said Elizabeth Del
              >Toro, 40, principal of Libertador, another Christian school in Juarez.
              >"They're learning Bible stories, learning to pray for their problems, and
              >they are bringing those things home."
              >
              >
              >
              >Many of the kooky evangelicals probably believe that it is more important
              >to
              >teach these people how to pray heavily rather than learning how to create
              >an
              >economy that can be sustained, but clearly that is not a solution that will
              >result in a Mexico that will be able to offer its people incentives against
              >illegally crossing the border into the U.S.
              >
              >
              >
              >Besides, why is this issue on RLC-Action? Isn't there a YahooGroup
              >somewhere for nutty evangelicals?
              >
              >
              >
              > Doug
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              >From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
              >Behalf Of John Pankratz
              >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:46 AM
              >To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds
              >
              >
              >
              >Then you can build your fence on the border, enlarge our prisons and
              >feel good.
              >
              >
              >Adam J Bernay wrote:
              >
              > >I'm sure my colleagues at the Republican Jewish Coalition will JUMP at
              >this,
              > >John...
              > >
              > >And as the younger brother of a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class, I find
              >this
              > >comment insulting.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >--
              >Freedom is not measured by the ability to vote. It is measured by the
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