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  • Adam J Bernay
    As would I (and I am religious). But that s not what John SAID. ... From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
    Message 1 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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      As would I (and I am religious). But that's not what John SAID.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Dave Nalle
      Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:54 PM
      To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds

      I'm an atheist, and while I think that Christian indoctrination is
      not necessarily a good thing, I'd still rather kids get a religious
      education than one based in statist socialism from a government
      school.

      Dave
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      Tasty Thoughts from the Elitist Pig
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    • John Pankratz
      What is the unstated third choice? Did you see what I wrote in answer to Lorenz after my too-brief reply to you? ... -- Freedom is not measured by the ability
      Message 2 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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        What is the unstated third choice?
        Did you see what I wrote in answer to Lorenz after my too-brief reply to
        you?



        Adam J Bernay wrote:

        >John, there's a term for the logical fallacy you're using, it's called a
        >false or forced dichotomy.
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
        >Behalf Of John Pankratz
        >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:46 AM
        >To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds
        >
        >Then you can build your fence on the border, enlarge our prisons and
        >feel good.
        >
        >
        >Adam J Bernay wrote:
        >
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        >>I'm sure my colleagues at the Republican Jewish Coalition will JUMP at
        >>
        >>
        >this,
        >
        >
        >>John...
        >>
        >>And as the younger brother of a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class, I find this
        >>comment insulting.
        >>
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        Freedom is not measured by the ability to vote. It is measured by the breath of those things on which we do not vote.
        ..... John T. Wenders http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~jwenders/
      • greenspj
        Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere. This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group. Thanks! ... modernizing
        Message 3 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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          Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere.

          This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group.

          Thanks!


          --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, John Pankratz <pankratz@r...> wrote:
          >
          > Your religious intolerance is noted. I am not in agreement with
          > everything the pentecostal branch of the Christian church teaches, but
          > for you to call these schools madrassas betrays your own bigotry. These
          > children are not being taught to hate, and they are not being taught
          > religion exclusively. They are receiving a general education in a
          > Christian context. They are being taught to love. They are being taught
          > the skills they will need to begin to hope for a future in a
          modernizing
          > Mexico.
          >
        • John Pankratz
          I took a minute or two to look back a few days over RLC-action messages and didn t see much discussion of any meaningful action. On the other hand, my
          Message 4 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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            I took a minute or two to look back a few days over RLC-action messages
            and didn't see much discussion of any meaningful action.

            On the other hand, my suggestion that we help voluntary action to
            educate and help the downtrodden rather than shoot at them is greeted by
            hoots and derision.

            The US Gov. is shooting down missionaries over the Amazon, as part of
            its "war on drugs",

            http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/peru-a24_prn.shtml

            Note: I picked this site out of many to demonstrate that the
            incompetence and wrong headedness of the US Government is contributing
            to the fuel for the world socialist movement. At the same time people
            complain of the gathering strength of the socialists.

            I say, help the Christian missionaries whether you agree with them or
            not. Its a whole lot better than funding war.
            And if you see that as a false dichotomy, please tell me the other
            alternatives.

            By the way, does anyone know how the various Senators voted today on the
            "patriot" act?

            John P.
            ......................................................................................

            greenspj wrote:

            >Please take this to RLC-Discuss, GOP-Liberty, or elsewhere.
            >
            >This is NOT appropriate subject matter for this group.
            >
            >Thanks!
            >
            >
            >


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            ..... John T. Wenders http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~jwenders/
          • Steve Redlich
            ... http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358 Craig, Hagel and Murkowski No on the Cloture
            Message 5 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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              On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, John Pankratz wrote:

              > By the way, does anyone know how the various Senators voted today on the
              > "patriot" act?

              http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358

              Craig, Hagel and Murkowski No on the Cloture Motion.

              Steve
            • Adam J Bernay
              One can easily support the military and the war on terrorism without advocating fences on the border and enlarging our prisons. ... From:
              Message 6 of 15 , Dec 16, 2005
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                One can easily support the military and the war on terrorism without
                advocating fences on the border and enlarging our prisons.

                -----Original Message-----
                From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of John Pankratz
                Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:45 PM
                To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds

                What is the unstated third choice?
                Did you see what I wrote in answer to Lorenz after my too-brief reply to
                you?



                Adam J Bernay wrote:

                >John, there's a term for the logical fallacy you're using, it's called a
                >false or forced dichotomy.
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
                >Behalf Of John Pankratz
                >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:46 AM
                >To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds
                >
                >Then you can build your fence on the border, enlarge our prisons and
                >feel good.
                >
                >
                >Adam J Bernay wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                >>I'm sure my colleagues at the Republican Jewish Coalition will JUMP at
                >>
                >>
                >this,
                >
                >
                >>John...
                >>
                >>And as the younger brother of a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class, I find
                this
                >>comment insulting.
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >
                >
                >
                >


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                Freedom is not measured by the ability to vote. It is measured by the
                breath of those things on which we do not vote.
                ..... John T. Wenders http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~jwenders/





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              • michael franks
                ......you anti-Christian biggot you Doug once again......its clearly a difference of those who believe in the power of God and Him to be who He says He
                Message 7 of 15 , Dec 17, 2005
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                  ......you anti-Christian biggot you Doug

                  once again......its clearly a difference of those who believe in the power
                  of God and Him to be who He says He is.........and those who dont and are
                  "hell" bent on mocking it, calling anyone who has this type of faith nutty.

                  how sad

                  Michael

                  >From: "Douglas Lorenz" <Doug@...>

                  >
                  >I originally thought that Pankratz was being sarcastic in his support for
                  >these Christian madrassas, then I see in his reply that he was actually
                  >serious. I don't see evangelical indoctrination as a solution to the
                  >Mexican government's problems. Even coming from a source as horribly
                  >biased
                  >as "Christianaty Today", this story comes across as nothing more than a
                  >call
                  >to force God upon the little brown savages. For example:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Teachers at Gabriela Mistral report that students often prefer Bible study
                  >over math or history. Many ask if they can fast and pray for their parents
                  >and families. "We are planting seeds in the children," said Elizabeth Del
                  >Toro, 40, principal of Libertador, another Christian school in Juarez.
                  >"They're learning Bible stories, learning to pray for their problems, and
                  >they are bringing those things home."
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Many of the kooky evangelicals probably believe that it is more important
                  >to
                  >teach these people how to pray heavily rather than learning how to create
                  >an
                  >economy that can be sustained, but clearly that is not a solution that will
                  >result in a Mexico that will be able to offer its people incentives against
                  >illegally crossing the border into the U.S.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Besides, why is this issue on RLC-Action? Isn't there a YahooGroup
                  >somewhere for nutty evangelicals?
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Doug
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > _____
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                  >From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com] On
                  >Behalf Of John Pankratz
                  >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:46 AM
                  >To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                  >Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Winning Hearts and Minds
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >Then you can build your fence on the border, enlarge our prisons and
                  >feel good.
                  >
                  >
                  >Adam J Bernay wrote:
                  >
                  > >I'm sure my colleagues at the Republican Jewish Coalition will JUMP at
                  >this,
                  > >John...
                  > >
                  > >And as the younger brother of a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class, I find
                  >this
                  > >comment insulting.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
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