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  • Tim Condon
    Without taking anything away from Doug, I ve got to weigh in here. I think the slogan below is too all-encompassing for most people. Isn t our government
    Message 1 of 47 , Jul 16, 2005
                Without taking anything away from Doug, I've got to weigh in here. I think the slogan below is too all-encompassing for most people. Isn't our government "limited" already? Haven't we always had "free enterprise"? I'd make it more like...

      Low taxes, less government, more individual freedom
      Lower taxes, less government, individual rights
      Lower taxes, less government, more individual freedom
      Low taxes, small government, more freedom

                Something along those lines. Now I'll go back to lurking....       ---Tim Condon


      DGHarrison wrote:
      "Free Enterprise, Individual Freedom & Limited Government"

      I think I understand what you're trying to say, but by saying "limited government" I thought we were talking about it being limited by the Constitution. At the same time, "smaller government" could be just one man, a dictator having no limits whatsoever on his powers. Doesn't seem all that weasely by comparison. Depends on your poison, I guess. The second motto has been used for a lot longer than I've been in the RLC, but I don't know when or where it was first popularized.

      But what about the idea of selling logo mugs, T-shirts, etc. Seems to we could make some money, but I don't know how that equates to being a "non profit organization." The beauty of the website I mentioned is that anyone can use the service, so it wouldn't have to be an official RLC website function, but could be dropped in as a "favorite link" run by someone else. The website allows people to set up a "personal store," from which you just buy your own printed premiums at the company's base price -- i.e., no mark-up, no profit. All state chapters could access the "personal store" and obtain supplies for their own projects, at which time they could sell them for "cost + S&H" and still not endanger their non profit status.

      Doug Harrison

      John Pankratz wrote:
      Even Castro can claim "limited government." it is one of those weasel
      words that means nothing.  How about smaller government?

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    • Guy McLendon
      Ray, I have profound respect for the US Constitution . obviously. Indeed, I am working to prepare a streaming web video of my recent presentation that applied
      Message 47 of 47 , Jul 21, 2005



        I have profound respect for the US Constitution … obviously.  Indeed, I am working to prepare a streaming web video of my recent presentation that applied my thinking on the Constitution to the war on drugs.


        However, I certainly do not believe any human-construct to be perfect, or infallible.  There are a number of flaws that need remedy … I could detail a few.  Sadly, the slime in Washington are not interesting in strengthening the Constitution’s primary function … to impose limits on the power officials.  Indeed, they work fervently to strip sidestep & weave around the constraints so long ignored …  The “flaws” that I reference are holes that have allowed the slime in Washington to weave around the intended legal constraints.


        I also have issues with LP purists, and am hopeful that the 2006 LP Platform Team will probably lean more towards practical solutions, and away from purist proposals.  It will be interesting to see whether we can make the LP’s offering more practical.





        From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ray Holtorf
        Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:23 AM
        To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Constitution vs libertarianism


        It's simple Guy,

        I read the Constitution. I noted it's absolute
        perfection - to the extent that the only flaws existed
        after the first 10 Amendments. The ONLY group I saw
        fighting for Constitutional restoration, was

        I obviously have a number of issues with libertarian
        purists - probably the greatest of which is the notion
        that Nations should be borderless, and trade is not a
        function of government. Those are both
        semi-unConstitutional ideals. The Constitution applies
        to specific states, without borders there are no
        states, and no Nation. Trade regulations are clearly
        established in the Constitution.

        I guess I am a purist when it comes to the
        Constitution - smarter men than I, with greater
        vision, created it for my benefit, and they died to
        give it to me. I'm not interested in only enforcing
        the aspects which are part of the libertarian ideal -
        allowing for exceptions to the Constitution to create
        economic recovery from the Great Depression is how we
        got into this mess in the first place...


        --- Guy McLendon <guy@...> wrote:

        > I strongly believe in both the Constitution &
        > individual freedom.  The
        > Constitution is such an important means to an end
        > that libertarians would be
        > well-advised to hold tightly to most features, and
        > use that precious
        > resource as a legal basis for repeal of most onerous
        > laws that are on the
        > books today.  Nonetheless, Ray's remarks are not
        > sufficiently clear for me
        > to make an assessment of value.  If you could
        > clarify your intent, and give
        > an example . that'd help.

        > Guy

        >   _____ 
        > From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
        > [mailto: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com ] On
        > Behalf Of John David Galt
        > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:20 PM
        > To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Printed Materials

        > Ray Holtorf wrote:
        > > I do not know why you couldn't drop "free
        > enterprise,
        > > and individual freedom" in favor of
        > Constitutionally
        > > Limited Government." I don't favor either Free
        > > enterprise or individual freedom if it were ever
        > to be
        > > in violation of the Constitution...
        > I certainly do, and I believe any real libertarian
        > would too.  The
        > Constitution is a means to an end, not the end
        > itself.
        >   _____ 

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